MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

[Inobu]

Can the 5th guy be the "poison" guy?

Lets simplify scenario. 5 people go to the Bar-b-que and 4 get sick. You ask the One
why didn't you get sick. His reply "I didn't eat the chicken". Your next question is why?

 

[Leilei]

It's not the ticket themselves but the money that it takes to buy them.....

It was the last game of the regular season. KC went into the Wild Card round. Then two more rounds (Divisional and Conference). That's a whole lot of messiness riding on the chance that they would make it to the end. Nobody at that point in time knew who would be playing who for another few weeks. IMO.

 

[LadyL]

So there is immunity from drug possession if another user acts as a Good Samaritan and calls for emergency services to provide help.

But NO immunity if someone manufactures and/or distributes the drugs.

I will still say IF it’s true, since I don’t know the cousin’s motive for saying so, but IF it’s true that JW manufactured and delivered these drugs to his friends, then he is NOT immune from prosecution.

IMO this makes more sense regarding the very conflicting stories his lawyer put out. It does seem like someone was trying to protect himself. The truth always stays the same, but lies are contradictory.

In fact IMO the changeable narrative is what made me begin to wonder if JW had something to hide. Not murder but some responsibility.


There’s a lot of money to be made in dealing drugs.

also, being a scientist is lucrative

 

[December]

This is all MOO and thoughts.
It does make me wonder after reading "One of the victims had an active pharmacist license which was issued last year and set to expire at the end of May 2024." That's worth noting. Why? How'd he get one last year, but didn't work as one? Combined with what the cousin said about JW mixing customize drugs to suit requests, then I can't help but wonder if a pharmacist license would make it easier to gain more supplies for JW's mixing up these "concoctions".

MOO, some supplies would be highly monitored, but I imagine a pharmacist license would make it easier for larger, unquestioned orders, but not sure if that's how it'd work out either. These are just questions rolling around my head right now. I don't know where JW managed to get his supplies to supposedly make all the drugs. Not any facts here, I'm just thinking that if one of the victims supplied some of the combo drugs that went into a deadly batch, if it turns out to be a fatal batch, the implications of this legally if it went to trial would be even sadder for the families. ​

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.

www.tmz.com

It's a pharmacy technician license. That is not a person who can order drugs. They are only ever around drugs when they are working in a pharmacy. They answer to the pharmacy manager and the pharmacist(s).

 

[LadyL]

The guy living in the house surely didn't took what the 3 guys took or he would have died too

not necessarily
him staying in the house or already being passed out may have saved his life

 

[Charlot123]

If it turns out JW did manufacture drugs, I don't condone that at all. But it's still not necessarily true that he killed his three friends with a "bad batch"; if JW also took the drugs, he's still alive.

Being outside in the cold is still, IMO, most likely to be what killed them. If they had been inside they would have likely woken up with a bad hangover but otherwise been OK.

I doubt that he manufactured them. I am not sure it is easy to produce fentanyl unless you have a specialized lab, and "manufacturing" is a very serious charge. To cook something common is possible, but , but that wasnt an issue. Rather, JW is a single guy with a good job, their trusted school friend, who had some money. IMHO - drugs could have been ordered and delivered to the house, didn't JW's lawyer mentioned some other people coming and going?

The situation looks poorly for JW either way. Hosting a party where his three friends ended up dead is a poor decor for his resume. Facing their devastated relatives and friends is scary. Giving all the details to the public might be dangerous.

But - I would not be surprised if some delivery was ordered and ironically, JW passed out first, so the rest of them went outside not to expose him to secondhand smoking, for example? (That if they smoked it).

JMO - the situation was not meant to be nefarious at all but looks so because all participants were, essentially, young, high-functioning people with jobs, friends, families, kids, one even had an article written about him. Not people on the brink of hope living on the streets. It attracted so much attention because it is easy to imagine it happening to someone we know. Too sad and scary, this loss of functioning people in their primes.

 

[Curious Me]

It's a pharmacy technician license....

The article says pharmacist license though, not technician.

"We've uncovered that McGeeney had an active pharmacist license which was issued last year and set to expire at the end of May 2024."​

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.

www.tmz.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Emphasis mine.
Yes, that's true.
I think it's called, "Paradoxical Undressing" ?
Kind of don't think it was quite that cold out, the night of the deaths, though ?
Omo.

If it's cold enough for someone to develop hypothermia, it's cold enough for someone to exhibit paradoxical undressing. It's not necessary for it to be below freezing outside for someone to develop hypothermia. It's all about your core temperature dropping only a few degrees. Paradoxical undressing is something that is seen in hypothermia, but it's not seen in every case of hypothermia. If, as is speculated, these people were rendered unconscious first, they wouldn't wake up to undress. They would just never wake up.

MOO

 

[LadyL]

The guy living in the house said he was out for 2 days. This would imply that 4 out of 5 was incapacitated. 3 outside 1 inside. The gating question is why was #5 not affected?

now we're getting somewhere ...

 

[Inobu]

If it's cold enough for someone to develop hypothermia, it's cold enough for someone to exhibit paradoxical undressing. It's not necessary for it to be below freezing outside for someone to develop hypothermia. It's all about your core temperature dropping only a few degrees. Paradoxical undressing is something that is seen in hypothermia, but it's not seen in every case of hypothermia. If, as is speculated, these people were rendered unconscious first, they wouldn't wake up to undress. They would just never wake up.

MOO

Nice....

That's the point. The only thing close is the guy in the chair. He could have gotten up and
sat in the chair to rest thinking he was hot and tired. Finding him in the chair is a huge clue....

 

[Frostysucker]

I agree. I don't think prosecutors would take any family to a crime scene and map out the case for them, if they had plans to prosecute.

Maybe, the prosecutors thought they could better explain what happened and give the family closure. Maybe JW offered up the house to prosecutors.

It is odd, and not a procedure I'm familiar with. Seems to me, it will open more speculation, questions, what ifs, why nots, and more screen time with the media.

Moo..a meeting with family, prior to a press conference, would provide clarity for all.

Moo.

B

The tenant resident is the one who would grant access - not the property owner. A landlord cannot consent to a search of a tenant’s property - just common areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a shared hallway or laundry room.

But JW already moved. So the owner could do it.

 

[airportwoman]

@iluvmua, thanks for posting the article.

From the article:

We've uncovered that McGeeney had an active pharmacist license which was issued last year and set to expire at the end of May 2024.

While we don't know if he was working at any pharmacy in particular or practicing pharmacology in any way at the time of his death ... we do know the license would allow him to work as a pharmacy technician if he so desired.

I looked at the Missouri pharmacy website, and couldn't find anything for McGeeney, as a technician or a pharmacist. His obituary said that he had worked for 20 years as a flooring installer, although that doesn't mean he might not have been trained in something else.

For most states and employers, the educational requirement to be a pharmacy technician is to be 18 years old and a high school graduate. You may have to take a test within a certain period of time, but it's not difficult.

 

[December]

The article says pharmacist license though, not technician.

"We've uncovered that McGeeney had an active pharmacist license which was issued last year and set to expire at the end of May 2024."​

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.

www.tmz.com

It does, but then it continues on in the next paragraph that the license allowed him to work as a pharmacy technician.

 

[rleigh123]

@10ofRods
Post in thread 'MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2' MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

Here's the quote in the link:
BBM

10ofRods
"No one said it doesn't happen, just that it's less likely when a person is alone. I'd say it's less likely when it's just a couple living in a house, judging from hundreds of homes I've been in. Of COURSE some single people sit at a nook. Many sit at the counter, too. When I'm home alone, I sit where I usually sit for meals (the couch). Or I eat standing up at the kitchen counter. We're all different!"

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OK, judging by your first sentence, you didn't see the post I was responding to. But I like how you ended up agreeing with me anyway!

My response simply provided my perspective and answers to someone who said they were "not sure why," and that they "doubt," and that "people just don't," all in regards to personal activities of daily living. This is the part of the post I was responding to:


Clipped and BBM.

NCWatcher said:
"[....] I am not sure why he'd have to go to a kitchen sink twice a day [....] I doubt he often goes into the sliding door "eating area." People just don't sit alone at tables in dining rooms or even "breakfast nooks" by themselves [....]"

As we've established, people do regular activities of daily living in ways that can seem strange to others. At this point, some of JW's actions seem odd or unlikely to some, to varying degrees depending on the observer. Let's hope this meeting they're having will provide some answers so at least this part of the speculation will settle. It may lead to a whole new area of speculating!

 

[sunshineray]

Apparently JW’s dogs were staying with his father that night (or weekend, not sure of exact timeline). Confused as to why JW’s father wouldn’t try and contact his son after days of not hearing from him unless the dogs were planned to be with him for an extended period of time? I would imagine he would want JW to take his dogs back if he was only looking after them while his son was hanging with his friends on game night?

Very weird and confusing case.

The 5th man has said, via his lawyer, that JW's dogs were there in JW's house the night of the game. Who to believe? It seems an odd thing to lie about doesn't it?

 

[NCWatcher]

@10ofRods
Post in thread 'MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2' MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

Here's the quote in the link:
BBM

10ofRods
"No one said it doesn't happen, just that it's less likely when a person is alone. I'd say it's less likely when it's just a couple living in a house, judging from hundreds of homes I've been in. Of COURSE some single people sit at a nook. Many sit at the counter, too. When I'm home alone, I sit where I usually sit for meals (the couch). Or I eat standing up at the kitchen counter. We're all different!"

________________________________


OK, judging by your first sentence, you didn't see the post I was responding to. But I like how you ended up agreeing with me anyway!

My response simply provided my perspective and answers to someone who said they were "not sure why," and that they "doubt," and that "people just don't," all in regards to personal activities of daily living. This is the part of the post I was responding to:


Clipped and BBM.

NCWatcher said:
"[....] I am not sure why he'd have to go to a kitchen sink twice a day [....] I doubt he often goes into the sliding door "eating area." People just don't sit alone at tables in dining rooms or even "breakfast nooks" by themselves [....]"

As we've established, people do regular activities of daily living in ways that can seem strange to others. At this point, some of JW's actions seem odd or unlikely to some, to varying degrees depending on the observer. Let's hope this meeting they're having will provide some answers so at least this part of the speculation will settle. It may lead to a whole new area of speculating!

Exactly. I'm sorry if MY post contributed to the confusion. We all make judgments based on our past experiences. While that can sometimes cause problems, if we didn't ever do it, we wouldn't survive for long! (Yes, that red area on the stovetop is still hot like it was last week! No, that growling dog is not saying "pet me.")

While trying to understand what happened in this case isn't a matter of our survival, we are set up to judge situations by what we know. In the post cited above I was responding to a post that strongly suggested that during those two days, JW had to go to the kitchen sink probably at least twice a day (a sink that had a window above it facing the backyard) and further he likely sat in the "eating area" off the kitchen to eat, an eating area that had a sliding glass door facing the back porch. If he has done those things as expected, the argument was he should have seen at least one of the bodies.

When a thread generates many posts, posts can be taken out of context accidentally. I certainly wasn't suggesting it was impossible for JW to go to his kitchen sink during those two days but I was saying it wasn't necessary. Not everyone drinks tap water or uses it to make coffee. Not everyone handwashes dishes but may simply pop them in the dishwasher. And even those who do those things, might not stare out the window when doing them (assuming the body in the chair could be seen from that higher window during the daytime.) Further, in my experience, it would be unusual for a single person to go to a separate eating area vs eat on the go or on the couch or while seated at a computer. That doesn't mean JW behaved the way I or people I know behave. He may not have. But we don't know if he even had a table and chairs in that eating area. We also don't know if the blinds were drawn on the doors or the window. We just don't know so many things. Hopefully the family members now do but I don't have a lot of confidence after reading the cousin's remarks.
MOO

 

[IDK]

If in fact JW is in rehab, I really don’t see this as a sign of guilt! If he recognizes there’s a problem, better to seek help now than continue on a destructive path.

LE can still question him while in rehab, I believe, so it’s not like he’s escaping any potential culpability. Considering how the families and media are going after him, not sure what people expect him to do?

 

[Rigatoni999]

It almost seemed like he was slurring his words a bit, or maybe just a lazy tongue?

Chew in the lower lip?

 

[sunshineray]

"Jordan is the chemist. They all knew him as that. It was easy for them to go have fun, but he *advertiser censored**ed up. He made a mistake."Caleb McGeeney, cousin to Clayton McGeeney, one of the #KansasCity3, told me he thinks the men ingested a bad batch of drugs. He says Jordan Willis has made and supplied drugs to friends since high school. Here is part of my conversation with Caleb today.Note: These are allegations. Jordan Willis has denied any wrongdoing. As of now, the police are not investigating this as a homicide. #KansasCity

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752861435560853986

Whoooa

 

[Rigatoni999]

If there’s actual evidence and not just a grieving cousin talking crap, I’d agree with you. Some of the family members just sound like they’re mad that JW didn’t die too. Unless it can be proven that JW drugged them against their will, I don’t think he should be charged for murder/manslaughter. I’m sorry for them and their families. But IMO (and with the facts I’ve read so far) all 4 men made a choice.

I read this completely differently. If it turns out JW did manufacture drugs, all 4 took them together, 3 of them died quickly, JW was passed out for 2 days still in the house, friends and family are looking for their kin, and he doesn't come to the door until LE arrive, then I completely disagree that JW gets off scott free. He is liable for their deaths, intent or not. He would have concocted felony-posession, highly illegal drugs, they died on his (renter's) property with him still there, etc. I believe there are numerous laws he broke, and LE, grand juries, family of victims will be very interested in seeing this through.