MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #4

[December]

Yes there has been an uptick in deaths in Kansas City

Kansas City introduces new campaign to combat overdoses from illicit fentanyl

These plans will fold in with a DEA campaign called Operation Engage

www.kmbc.com

They want the phone data, imo, to determine how the coke-fent was obtained (if it is possible to determine, it might not be, however sometimes this has been figured out in other cases). Because they have found them in other cases and there have been criminal charges.

KC Man Charged with Three Fentanyl Deaths, Illegal Firearms

A Kansas City, Mo., man has been charged with three fentanyl overdose deaths in Belton, Mo., alongside six other metropolitan area residents indicted by a federal grand jury for their roles in a drug-trafficking conspiracy that included illegal firearms and money laundering.

www.justice.gov

And

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article280111004.html

Eta.. there are more links like those above. For both points.

YES it is a bad decision to take illegal drugs. However, it is illegal to sell illegal drugs. Especially if people have died from these drugs.

We weren't there. We don't know what really went down. Did they take a lot of drugs? Did they even have a lot of drugs? Or did they just happen to have drugs that were mostly fent?

 

[December]

Thank you so much! So, all the talk about the cars in the driveway here was actually just guessing. And the two cars were not both directly in front of JW's house.

I just take the phrase "outside his house" to mean they were close to the house as one might park to go there

I guess it could be taken to mean "in the driveway" (to be clear, they weren't found in the driveway).

Of course, they weren't the only people there (not counting JW who lives there). For all we know one or both of them could have been in the driveway, but had to be moved that night to let someone else out. Or maybe they were parked on the street all along.

Idk if it's possible to find this out.

 

[Scatcat]

I feel absolutely horrible for the men's family members but at this point, I'm just not sure what their "angle" is particularly media wise. These are grown men, known to party by drinking and using drugs which was their choice. Most likely they had not knowingly used fentanyl or drugs laced with it in the past but again we do not even know that and are just assuming for the most part. With myself being right around that age as well, I personally don't think they would have been knowingly experimenting with fen but that is just a hunch based on their current life situations (having 3 children, wedding coming up etc)

Their families seem to be in somewhat denial about the situation and their accountability, and understandably so to a certain extent but I just don't understand what they want with all of the "there is more to the story" comments. Is there? Or did three grown men make a poor choice that ended horribly and that is the story?

Of course, where they got it from is important to them but at the same time, I don't feel that "blaming" whoever sold/gave them the drugs is going to change anything or make them feel better. It would be great to figure out who the dealer was as it is criminal, was clearly lethal and that person should be held accountable as the supplier but users always know there is a risk. I wonder if anyone else who purchased/partook from that batch OD'd.

All three men were almost 40 year old adults and made a decision that night they'd probably made many times before that ended up just fine which was what they were expecting that night as well. Unfortunately, this is the risk you take with drugs, especially these days, but I dont believe these men were peer pressured or tricked into taking what turned out to be fatal for them all or that there is anyone to "blame" here. If whoever sold/gave it to them knew it had fentanyl and did not tell them it did that is not right by any means but these days you know taking drugs from anyone is a gamble no matter what and certainly one I'd not be willing to take anymore MOO. Hopefully, with this story garnering so much media attention, this will scare the bejesus out of anyone wanting to take drugs for "fun" anymore.

Brilliant post

 

[al66pine]

LE Searching for Drug Providers/Dealers. Breadcrumbs?

.... One of the problems with fatal overdoses is that the victim cannot tell you where the drugs were purchased .. and credit cards and checks are not generally used....

snipped for focus @Wallendo
Agreeing, usually no checks or credit cards as method of payment for street drugs.
However the E-TRAILS --- such as cell calls, texts, emails, FB & other social messaging of buyers, sellers, & providers of street drugs --- provide bread crumbs for LE to follow. At least in some cases, not necessarily this one.

And LE may find that records of PayPal, Venmo, ApplePay, GooglePay, etc. may lead to a person or a PoI using that method of payment.

BTW. Approx'ly 2002, a friend was telling me about how handy it was to use PayPal, then in its infancy. All new to me. At the time I chuckled just to myself: PayPal sounds like a PlaySkool or Fisher-Price game , an "educational" way for elementary students to learn about using money; w a name like that, likely was not a real business. LOL.

Back on topic now.

 

[Karin1974]

Has anyone here ever slept 48 straight hours??? Just wondering.. in my younger days (of drugging and thugging) I could never in my wildest dreams sleep for 2 days straight. When I was younger I was the opposite of "clean"; just wondering if anyone here has taken enough dope to be knocked out for 48 hours??

No & I don’t know anyone that has. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It's funny how different people are, no way would I go home mad to wait (maybe I would in two weeks when the meds kick in fully and I'm not severely anxious, I'll get back to you on that). But that's what makes people interesting and why we are all different.

I'm with you. If I couldn't find someone who is ordinarily reachable, my anxiety would just keep escalating until I knew they were okay. I don't think I'd break in, but I might if I got anxious enough.

 

[December]

There are numerous ways to pay for things over your phone. Idk what method people use to pay for illegal drugs, but I would not be surprised if there's some electronic way.

People who sell illegal drugs go to prison all the time. They don't have to cram the drugs down someone's throat for this to happen. People have gone to prison for just having illegal drugs. Especially if they have enough of them that it might be assumed they are probably selling them either directly or through some dealers. So, there can be people prosecuted in this case. For all we know, they have already been arrested and the police are just trying to tie them to this particular case.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Harrington was a 37-year old man.
What peer pressure??

I feel like these poor parents are having a hard time accepting the circumstances. Very sad all around.

Some group ODs are not investigated at all, this one has gotten much more press, interestingly.

We don't know JW's blood levels at the time he was approached by police, correct? I feel like this is as simple as:
All the men drink alcohol, and maybe smoke weed.
JW doesn't do coke, so after he fell asleep his friends broke out the baggie of coke for themselves.

Except why the countless versions of events from JW? Why did he sleep for 48 hours? And about 2 dozen more questions. It's not as simple as a group OD, when the surviving partier's story keeps changing and makes no sense. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I imagine many families would feel the same way.

<modsnip - off topic>


All JMO. These are deep issues. Whole thing would sit better with me if the family were trying to raise funds for an ongoing boost to drug enforcement in their area. Trying to find out more about the cause of such obviously drug-fueled deaths doesn't accomplish much, LE-wise. Or in terms of Justice. I'm sure LE are going to look hard at where the drugs came from - and I wouldn't be surprised if someone who knows the three deceased has some clues (the family could aid by trying to find that information - several "friends" of the deceased were involved in trying to find them or are speaking out about them). I suspect AWD (5th guy) knows something - but he has lawyered up. And therein are another set of barriers/problems when "accidental overdoses" occur. Some family (father of Harrington for example) have publicly acknowledged that their son would have been seeking a "high," not death. Well...that quest for a high and the use of street drugs killed him. There was an easy way to prevent it (don't do drugs) and it's very difficult and expensive to now try and find the chain of bad behavior (drug dealers) that lead to his death.

MOO

I think that's unreasonable to expect the families to fund raise for the greater good. They are hurting, and they are coping how they need to. Just because it's a difficult task or expensive to "follow the chain" as you say, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. MOO

 

[Karin1974]

“After the shocking loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction,” the source said, without elaborating on the exact nature.

Did suburban Walter White poison his friends? Unraveling mystery of Kansas City Chiefs fans’ frozen fentanyl deaths

Did a brilliant HIV scientist really sleep for 48 hours as his friends overdosed and froze to death?

nypost.com

This makes me think that he definitely was more than a casual user and likely had some tolerance to fentanyl.

IMO - I agree & the idea that the other three men went out in the back yard to use a particular drug & the person who lived in the home was completely unaware of this doesn’t even pass the sniff test with me. I think they were all using drugs, I think the homeowner possibly supplied the drugs & perhaps had a higher tolerance & passed out. I, however, do not believe for a single second that JW was unaware that there were 3 x dead bodies at his house, I think he woke up after the drug binge & when he became aware of the dead bodies, he didn’t know what to do & decided to ignore the problem (aswell as all the calls & messages from people looking for those three men) & hope someone else would come looking for them & find them - Funnily enough, that appears to be exactly what happened. <modsnip: Direct accusation against someone not officially named by LE as POI/suspect>. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

If I was using any illegal drug in my home, no way would I allow LE to search it without a search warrant.

JMO

You might if you had 48 hours to clean up everything.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

IMO - I agree & the idea that the other three men went out in the back yard to use a particular drug & the person who lived in the home was completely unaware of this doesn’t even pass the sniff test with me. I think they were all using drugs, I think the homeowner possibly supplied the drugs & perhaps had a higher tolerance & passed out. I, however, do not believe for a single second that JW was unaware that there were 3 x dead bodies at his house, I think he woke up after the drug binge & when he became aware of the dead bodies, he didn’t know what to do & decided to ignore the problem (aswell as all the calls & messages from people looking for those three men) & hope someone else would come looking for them & find them - Funnily enough, that appears to be exactly what happened. <modsnip: Direct accusation against someone not officially named by LE as POI/suspect> MOO

Agree 100%.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Do you have a link where AWL said (through his lawyer) that JW was asleep when he left? I have never read that nor can I now find that reported by googling. All I've seen is the sort of report & link I posted in my last reply. That AWL said all FOUR men were watching Jeopardy when he left. The time he left has been reported as both 11pm and 12am. But I've never seen a report where AWL said JW was already asleep. I've also not seen a report where JW said he must have been asleep when AWL left. I have seen a report where he said he was fuzzy on the exact time AWL left.

You are correct we do not know what JW told LE. And perhaps as you suggest the attorney's goal was to convince the public JW could not remember what happened. But if that was his goal, IMO the attorney has done a very bad job with all his blathering. MOO.

AWL stated that when he left, around midnight, all 4 men were alive and well and watching jeopardy. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Happens all the time, it's just not something you hear parents or drug addicts talk about. Usually serious drug use comes in combination with uppers (coke, meth, crack, adderall, ketamine) to get going and then opiates/alcohol (Xanax, clonazepam) to come down. These addicts often stay up for days at a time without eating or hydrating and then crash from physical and mental exhaustion. Any of the above mentioned uppers cut with fentanyl could cause instant death.

Throwing an opiate and/or alcohol on top of the above mixture to try and come down is what can suppress the breathing causing death. I can think of 10 actors or famous people off the top of my head that have died by this deadly combination recently.

So yes people, it happens all the time all over the world not just in the US and not just to 'junkies' or movie stars.

<modsnip - off topic>

ALL IMO

Yes, those deaths happen, but I don't buy that he slept for 48 hours straight.

 

[Cedars]

I think that's unreasonable to expect the families to fund raise for the greater good. They are hurting, and they are coping how they need to. Just because it's a difficult task or expensive to "follow the chain" as you say, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. MOO

IMO, the family lawyer - 'there is more to this story' - is interested in a civil lawsuit. Not just go after the resident, but the homeowners probably have deep pockets. Which, IMO, is why JW is and will continue to keep his mouth shut.

JMO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

B&I by me.


I have exactly zero percent trust in LE in this case ever since the very early and ignorant statement by the Chief that it was "100% not being investigated as a homicide."

Shades of Northport FL LE.

(Please note, I'm not saying it's homicide. But it's wrong for any LE agency to approach a situation such as that one with that proclamation and belief. There hadn't even been tox results. Let's say it's F poisoning, and they trace it back, or it becomes part of a larger investigation. This could possibly result in a manslaughter trial, or even murder. And they had already decided that early on that JW was completely innocent?)

Yes! This! Very well said!

These facts, combined with JW's numerous stories, and it's very easy to see why the families aren't buying the simple OD version of events. I don't, and I didn't even know the men. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

IMO, the family lawyer - 'there is more to this story' - is interested in a civil lawsuit. Not just go after the resident, but the homeowners probably have deep pockets. Which, IMO, is why JW is and will continue to keep his mouth shut.

JMO

How would the home owner be responsible? They rented their home to JW. I think JW is keeping his mouth shut because someone had the sense finally to whisk him away to rehab. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not sure where people were parked. But, I posted in an earlier thread re: my thoughts on driveway parking. I'll copy & paste here:

I know a group of middle-aged friends who get together often and sometimes drink a lot. In those cases, the ones who don't live there either stay overnight or get a ride from uber or a sober friend. Cars left behind for a day or two or three is entirely normal because the car stays there until the person coordinates another ride to go get their car. With work or family or other obligations, sometimes getting the car isn't the top priority (especially if in the meantime they have access to transportation like a SO's vehicle, own a 2nd car or motorcycle, a work friend who lives nearby and will swing by to get them for work, ability to walk or bike where they need to go, or don't need the car because they work from home or don't need to go out for a few days).

Anyway, I could see how JW wouldn't think twice about a car or cars left there as long as his access wasn't blocked.

It depends upon which version of his story you're following. If it's the story where he walks them to the door, then that would be a starting sight to see their vehicles still there the next day. MOO

 

[Cedars]

How would the home owner be responsible?

Because lawyers can allege anything in a civil lawsuit, and get it bogged down in subpeonas, and court delays, and media coverage, so that the homeowners and their insurance company will settle to save court costs and get it over with.

 

[NCWatcher]

It depends upon which version of his story you're following. If it's the story where he walks them to the door, then that would be a starting sight to see their vehicles still there the next day. MOO

I'm not sure that walking the 3 men to the front door would necessarily involve looking out see where their vehicles were parked. And even if he did look, he easily might not have remembered. The men arrived after the game at his house with 60 beers according to neighbors. I don't think there's any question that all of them were drinking that night.

From the little photographic evidence we have, it appears the vehicles weren't in his driveway or even parked directly in front of his house on the street. I can easily imagine not knowing whose cars were parked near my house and I can easily imagine having no reason to go out my front door to look over a 2-day period.
MOO