MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[JeannaT]

He stopped them because he thought it may be them.. He would not be able to know that in a few minutes.

I think it's a very good guess, and he was in fact, correct. There are few people that large in the vicinity. He's an unusual looking guy, and my guess is they had the description to go off and it was in fact him.

 

[popsicle]

He stopped them because he thought it may be them.. He would not be able to know that in a few minutes.

Yes, I said that is why he stopped them. I responded it was a strong armed robbery after you said... Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta All that shows is a person in the store. No crime. No assault.

 

[JeannaT]

And with that, my guess is this story will be GONE from the news. It's not what the media wants to portray - doesn't fit the agenda of racism by cop - and it will not be covered any more.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Strong arm" or not, there is no justification for using deadly force against an unarmed suspect.


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Especially when he was fleeing.

Once he is running away, you don't shoot him in the back.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Do you not agree this is a completely different story than it was yesterday? This is a huge young man, having moments ago assaulted a store clerk in a burglary of cigars, and then was accused by the officer of attacking him. At first it didn't seem all that clear that MB had in fact attacked the officer - right now, from where I sit, it's about 100% most likely. This was not, as first reported by mother and others wanting to portray a lie, a sweet gentle young college freshman on the way to grandmother's house.

I was trying to compose a similar post, but yours is so well-written that I'll merely quote it with a "^^THIS!"

 

[JeannaT]

No, I really don't think it's a different story. Because any family member of any perp always says "oh he was so gentle/kind he'd never do something like that!". We see it in SO many cases, no matter what color the perp is.

The issue for me always is excessive force by police. Against anyone of any color - but there is a lopsided number of uses of force against unarmed men of color. Chances are that if this robbery was committed by an unarmed white man, there would have been a foot chase, take down, and the perp would still be alive.

I don't care if someone is a criminal - the pice STILL do not have the right to indiscriminately use excessive force. Especially when the person is unarmed. And to deny that it happens disproportionately to black men is just deliberately ignoring the statistics.


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I don't think shooting someone to death who has assaulted a cop and wrestled with him for his gun is excessive force. I think that's justifiable force. There's even a phrase for this type of behavior - 'suicide by cop'.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, I said that is why he stopped them. I responded it was a strong armed robbery after you said... Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta All that shows is a person in the store. No crime. No assault.

Yes, because I was looking at the first few shots of the pics. Now I see the assault.

 

[popsicle]

"Strong arm" or not, there is no justification for using deadly force against an unarmed suspect.


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I agree however, police don't have xray vision.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think shooting someone to death who has assaulted a cop and wrestled with him for his gun is excessive force. I think that's justifiable force.

Not once he is away from the car. He shot at him in the car. To protect himself. Then the kid gets away. You call for back up and you pursue him but you don't shoot as his back. And when he raised his hands in surrender THAT IS IT. You hold him at gunpoint and arrest him.

 

[CHERIE.T]

The stills posted up the board clearly show an assault. I don't know if that's MB, but the photos are clear enough that a positive ID can be made by those with more photos of MB to compare.

THANK YOUk they sure do.
All the rioting and violence was becaUse <<<< the deceased DID commit a crime. just omg... So typical oft times of law breakers,

 

[SilkySifaka]

"Strong arm" or not, there is no justification for using deadly force against an unarmed suspect.


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Exactly. We don't have the death penalty for robbery any more.

 

[K_Z]

Well, I'm about 200% sure that the store clerk involved in the robbery has been interviewed thoroughly, as well as asked to look at pictures of the deceased and his companion.

 

[K_Z]

And how exactly is an officer supposed to determine that a robbery suspect that meets the description, and is resisting the officer's instructions, then assaults the officer, is unarmed??

 

[Simply Caustic]

The race chasm is bigger, largely due to the fact that for some reason the media and LE didn't report the truth of the matter. The truth of the matter is, this is a very large aggressive who had just assaulted a store clerk and was likely to be on the way to the QT to do it again, and then he assaulted a cop and tried to steal his gun. And now, because of that chain of events, he's dead. You can't expect to grab a cops gun and live to tell about it.

The media was salivating over this story: An unarmed AA young man, brutally murdered by a police officer.

Except, it's an extremely large young man that attacked a store clerk, after a theft (strong arm robbery, and carries a hefty prison sentence). And that young man tried to go for the officer's gun - as alleged by the police...and the officer used deadly force to protect himself.

That story simply isn't as interesting or polarizing, so of course the media spun it. I'll be interested to see what happens from this point on.
JMO

 

[popsicle]

Not once he is away from the car. He shot at him in the car. To protect himself. Then the kid gets away. You call for back up and you pursue him but you don't shoot as his back. And when he raised his hands in surrender THAT IS IT. You hold him at gunpoint and arrest him.

I guess it depends... did he turn around and face the cop before raising his hands, so that the cop maybe thought he was reaching for a gun or did he raise his hands and then turn around? What really is the real truth?

 

[Elley Mae]

Stopped the victim for walking in the street or stopped a strong arm robbery suspect?

Oh Absolutely!

With the BOLO being released and MB knew what he had just done and then there is the police asking him to stop. And after he had just robbed a store he was not about to empty his pockets. jmo



After reading the presidents words on the matter I kinda knew it was nothing more then what it is.


http://www.ibtimes.com/president-ob...own-shooting-calls-death-unarmed-teen-1657230

 

[Gardenlady]

Really? It's a completely different story? Was MB found to have been armed and brandishing and somehow threatening police or others with a weapon? Because that's about the only situation where I could see justification for using force (and that's leaving aside the possibility that he was also fleeing).

Good grief, even criminals deserve not to be shot down like rabid animals.


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[K_Z]

And with that, my guess is this story will be GONE from the news. It's not what the media wants to portray - doesn't fit the agenda of racism by cop - and it will not be covered any more.

Unless NBC starts putting up pictures of him as a 12 year old, or alters the 911 tapes.

 

[CHERIE.T]

The media was salivating over this story: An unarmed AA young man, brutally murdered by a police officer.

Except, it's an extremely large young man that attacked a store clerk, after a theft (strong arm robbery, and carries a hefty prison sentence). And that young man tried to go for the officer's gun - as alleged by the police...and the officer used deadly force to protect himself.

That story simply isn't as interesting or polarizing, so of course the media spun it. I'll be interested to see what happens from this point on.
JMO

Oh me too. WHY wasn't the darn photos released earlier.

 

[SStarr33]

Not sure if these photos of the robbery got posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/darren-wilson-shot-and-killed-michael-brown.html

Brown looks like a big <mod snip>.