MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[bwt42]

It actually does matter what witnesses say and how it is interpreted, It matters what the officer thought also but that has to be backed up by the evidence. At this point to me there are possibilities there that will not work for the officers defense.

I don't see it that way. I see the altercation at the car but I don't know how that started or who started it. I don't know what really went on at the car and then I see MB running away and the officer seemingly shooting at his back.
One thing that bothers me a lot is that a lot of witnesses say that he was shot facing the officer and then while he was just standing there and going down he was shot 3 more times.

That is where my main problem is. If he shot him and he was wounded and going down, The other shots were not necessary.
The timeline I saw from the car to the next officer on the scene was 3 mins.

I am looking forward to the case in full to get all the facts from both sides.

I have not decided if this was a justified shooting. However, I don't by itself, have a problem with an officer who feels threatened shooting untill the suspect goes down. Not saying this is what happened here.

 

[bettybaby00]

OMG did I watch different video from everyone else? The shopowner was obviously trying to stop MB from leaving the store. He was trying to block them from leaving. Poor shopowner, I feel bad for what he went through, but he also put himself in dangerous position by trying to single-handedly stop the group from leaving the store.

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[tlcya]

I wonder how much MB's anticipated trade college beginning and the plan for his future played a role in his thought process that day at the squad car. Did he realize as OW rolled up on he and DJ that the shop owner had possibly called police about the swisher strongarm? Which of the young men mouthed back to OW when instructed to get out of the middle of the street and onto the sidewalk? Was it MB or DJ? After OW began pulling away, and then he began reversing back to the young men, did MB think about his future plans and what a stupid move the store theft was? Was that future flashing before his eyes? Did he act stupidly and impulsively shoving the door back into the officer and reaching into the squad?

After the confrontation at teh squad and after the first shot rang out at the car, did he realize this was now so so serious. That he could do serious jail time? Did he worry that his life was ruined? Was he desparate to get away at all costs and then realizing he couldn't change tacts and drush at the officer - it is him or me style?

So many questions. Some may never have answers. I cannot help but feel there was a very real struggle going on within MB. The young man who had such a sad and depressed world view described in some of his song lyrics. A man who wanted more from life than what he saw everyday around him? With the man who was falling in love with hip hop and rap and wrote stereotypical lyrics about type life? Were those young men at war? 18 is a very dangerous age for a young man in his neighborhood I am betting. Things are going to go one way or another. Paths diverge and are chosen. Was he facing that crossroads? Did any of the above play into the stupid decisions being made that day?

These questions do not have answers. Just some things that have been floating around my head trying to figure out why MB acted the way I feel he acted that day.

 

[Trident]

The truly sad part of all this is my ex 6'4, pagan-affiliated boyfriend loved little animals, women, and children. He sat and cried one day because his family never went on picnics or did anything else together.

I won't cast aspersions on any family, but ya gotta know that some lifestyles destroy the lives of their children.

I wish it were otherwise.

 

[bwt42]

I am praying for a trial too. and hoping he does not walk. There is wormwood in the Ferguson PD you just have to look at the other two officers in the news this week. I would be shocked to find one like either of them but instead we have two and a shooter of an unarmed black teen. It speaks volumes to the atmosphere
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Why to you want him to be guilty?

 

[aa9511]

We already witnessed the brazen disrespect for the law Mike Brown displayed that day. Why should I believe he changed in an instant?


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It's a whole different ballgame once a shot goes off, and you see that a police officer is coming after you with a gun pointed straight at you.

Isn't it?

Wouldn't "fight or flight" kick in at that point?

And MB had already chosen flight. He was already running away.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I believe that if we take the emotion out of this, there is no logic to MB turning around to "charge" OW.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The truly sad part of all this is my ex 6'4, pagan-affiliated boyfriend loved little animals, women, and children. He sat and cried one day because his family never went on picnics or did anything else together.

I won't cast aspersions on any family, but ya gotta know that some lifestyles destroy the lives of their children.

I wish it were otherwise.

I have just seen too many good good families with one bad egg to blame parents anymore. I have seen 3 kids raised in the same house and 2 turn out normal and kind like their parents and one goes to heck in a hand basket.

I don't think family life is always that cause.

 

[JLSChook]

Of course he ran away. You said he was shot running away. We don't know that. I have posted in the past that even shooting as he ran away was proplematic for OW.

No, it's actually not. I will post this for the umpteenth time:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_e9b5412f-2283-512e-8636-0d2bbe958c5c.html

Shooting an unarmed suspect could be justified, according to the law

ST. LOUIS • The fact that Michael Brown was unarmed and possibly fleeing when a Ferguson police officer shot him does not necessarily mean the use of force was unjustified in the eyes of the law.

As federal and local authorities begin investigating the case, the key question will be whether the officer had reason to believe Brown, 18, posed a threat — gun or no gun.

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“The federal courts are very clear that there are times and places where officers are allowed to shoot people in the back when they are running away, even if they are unarmed,” said David Klinger, a criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and expert on police shootings.

Klinger, a former police officer, pointed to the 1985 U.S. Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner.

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In a 6-3 opinion, the court held that “deadly force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer had probable cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, it's actually not. I will post this for the umpteenth time:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_e9b5412f-2283-512e-8636-0d2bbe958c5c.html



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Thank you for having the patience of a saint!


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[ShadyLady]

It would show they struggled over the gun. This entire incident, from start to finish, happened in 50 seconds. I think this officer was blindsided.

I remember hearing a tape shot just after the event, or as it was happening...that said MB turned and was going toward LE. I wonder if we will see pressure put on that guy to forget what he saw.

 

[aa9511]

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Imo, once the full tox report is complete, if the results are released, this possible brazen behavior may be explained, imo...

Uh-huh. In the Richard Chrisman case in Arizona (White cop on trial for killing a Hispanic victim), the toxicology reports came back that there was methamphetamine in the victim's body.

The evidence in the trial, IMO, clearly showed that Officer Chrisman unjustly killed that poor young man. The victim was trying to get away on his bike when he was shot dead.

The jury was hung on the murder count. They did vote guilty for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. It was tried by Juan Martinez. There was going to be a re-trial, but instead they reached plea agreement. So Officer Chrisman is in prison now.

Some juries see through the let's-blame-the-victim through drugs game.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No, it's actually not. I will post this for the umpteenth time:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_e9b5412f-2283-512e-8636-0d2bbe958c5c.html



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That does not mean it will apply here.
I have issues with it here. I still need a clearer picture.

 

[cady]

Would you agree that in Officer Wilson's mind it was processed as all one event?


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I tend to think so in terms of the shooting part, but I do not know what was in Officer Wilson's mind. Perhaps, some day, he will tell us. JMO

 

[JLSChook]

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

You do realize that it takes all of 2 seconds to shoot 6 rounds, right? This entire event lasted less than a minute.
It's not like Wilson shot Brown once and said, "Hmmm, I wonder if that will stop him?"

They are trained to shoot until the threat STOPS.

This isn't TV or a movie or some cartoon fantasy-land.
It's easy to sit at a computer and say, "Oh, I would have done____!" or "I wouldn't have done____!"

Until one's life is in danger, after being smashed in the face by a giant and him trying to steal your weapon, I don't think someone sitting on a comfy chair/couch on a computer can pretend to be in Officer Wilson's shoes.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You do realize that it takes all of 2 seconds to shoot 6 rounds, right? This entire event lasted less than a minute.
It's not like Wilson shot Brown once and said, "Hmmm, I wonder if that will stop him?"

They are trained to shoot until the threat STOPS.

This isn't TV or a movie or some cartoon fantasy-land.
It's easy to sit at a computer and say, "Oh, I would have done____!" or "I wouldn't have done____!"

Until one's life is in danger, after being smashed in the face by a giant and him trying to steal your weapon, I don't think someone sitting on a comfy chair/couch on a computer can pretend to be in Officer Wilson's shoes.

That will be the issue. When did the threat stop? Because if he was going down in the street already and several people have said that there was a break in the shooting and then the 3 final shots that killed him. So if he was hit and going down then the threat was over. He only had to hold a gun on him and wait for back up. Shooting again only if he got up.

Shooting til the threat is over does not mean shooting until dead. Not with an unarmed person. IMPO

 

[Oceans]

Hello Everyone!

I have been reading here for a while and finally registered. Just got approved and I'm excited being here and look forward discussing this case with you all.

 

[Foxfire]

Think the ms media may be stoking the racial fire?

Atlanta Journal & Constitution Editoral Cartoonist Mike Luckovich&#8217;s cartoon 08/24/2014
Copyright © , Atlanta Journal Constitution, All rights reserved.
http://ireader.olivesoftware.com/Ol....ashx?document=AJC\2014\08\24&article=Ar01807

 

[Linda7NJ]

You do realize that it takes all of 2 seconds to shoot 6 rounds, right? This entire event lasted less than a minute.
It's not like Wilson shot Brown once and said, "Hmmm, I wonder if that will stop him?"

They are trained to shoot until the threat STOPS.

This isn't TV or a movie or some cartoon fantasy-land.
It's easy to sit at a computer and say, "Oh, I would have done____!" or "I wouldn't have done____!"

Until one's life is in danger, after being smashed in the face by a giant and him trying to steal your weapon, I don't think someone sitting on a comfy chair/couch on a computer can pretend to be in Officer Wilson's shoes.

So much that^^^^^


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[bettybaby00]

I have just seen too many good good families with one bad egg to blame parents anymore. I have seen 3 kids raised in the same house and 2 turn out normal and kind like their parents and one goes to heck in a hand basket.

I don't think family life is always that cause.

Yup, happens all the time.

 

[Elley Mae]

That will be the issue. When did the threat stop? Because if he was going down in the street already and several people have said that there was a break in the shooting and then the 3 final shots that killed him. So if he was hit and going down then the threat was over. He only had to hold a gun on him and wait for back up. Shooting again only if he got up.

Shooting til the threat is over does not mean shooting until dead. Not with an unarmed person. IMPO

bbm,According to baden it was the head shot.