MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[aa9511]

I'm not seeing the similarities in these 2 officers.

Richard Crisman:

The attorney for Rodriguez's mother argued the city knowingly employed an officer who'd been punished for planting drug paraphernalia on a mentally ill woman during a training exercise and whose name is on the Brady List – which names police officers who've acted in ways that question their integrity and honesty.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19243370/judge-dismisses-wrongful-death-suit-against-phoenix

Darren Wilson:

FERGUSON, Mo. — Six months before he shot and killed an unarmed teenager, police Officer Darren Wilson earned a commendation for his “extraordinary effort in the line of duty.”
http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html

Actually, the jury members WERE NOT AWARE (or shouldn't have been aware) of the mentally-ill woman incident, or the Brady list. These were NOT ALLOWED to come into trial. Jury (in the criminal trial) had no idea.

So I don't understand your point.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I follow your point, and the description of him running and then turning around does trouble me because, like you, it is so brazen as to be almost unbeleivable. My trouble comes with the fact that OW's actions as initially described by DJ are also so brazen as to be almost unbelievable to me. That is why I think we really need the rest of the story. We have heard from everyone (including many many many who were not there and yet somehow "know" exactly what happened) and yet we have not heard OW's account. Til we have that, then round and round we all go. Each believing what we will believe.

I wonder, is there any research on fight or flight and is it always a given that once one response is selected then that is the response committed to for good and the other may not come into play? that might be interesting for me to look at later this evening once I get everyone fed and laundry in.

It matters more, IMO, is which state of mind Officer Wilson was in.
Legally he's not permitted to choose "flight" ....


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Last time I will persue any of this. Men this large will NOT stop coming at you until they are dead. Maybe MB ran after assaulting the Officer in the police car/SUV, I don't know. I do know DW was hurt, even according to the Brown's lawyer, and the Ferguson police Chief. There are/should be hospital records.

Was he in fear of his life? You betcha he was. Was he assaulted? Yep. Was he justified in shooting MB? Yes. That was the only way to stop this huge, obviously out-of-control guy. There was no other way for the safety of the officer, or the public at large, as evidenced by the strong arming of the shop keeper. MB was a loose cannon, a felon at this point. In my opinion there was no option but to shoot to kill, LEGALLY.

I just don't think size alone determines this. I have dated big men in my life. One was a professional wrestler.. Still not the kind of guys who would attack and keep attacking. One was 6'4 one was 6'7 and one was 6'3.

All big guys.

 

[aa9511]

I follow your point, and the description of him running and then turning around does trouble me because, like you, it is so brazen as to be almost unbeleivable. My trouble comes with the fact that OW's actions as initially described by DJ are also so brazen as to be almost unbelievable to me. That is why I think we really need the rest of the story. We have heard from everyone (including many many many who were not there and yet somehow "know" exactly what happened) and yet we have not heard OW's account. Til we have that, then round and round we all go. Each believing what we will believe.

I wonder, is there any research on fight or flight and is it always a given that once one response is selected then that is the response committed to for good and the other may not come into play? that might be interesting for me to look at later this evening once I get everyone fed and laundry in.

I understand what you're saying. Good post.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, you're right, we don't know. But we as citizens sitting in our comfy chair on our computers ALSO don't go through training to deal with tense and stressful situations. It is not our job.

Officer Wilson has a LOT on the line right now...his job and probably some years of freedom....are on the line. Let's not take this for granted. He could also be telling the story in HIS favor....could he not?

Why?
It wouldn't benefit him AT ALL.
He is, I'm sure by advice of counsel, letting his side be told where it matters most.

In the grand scheme of things, IMO the end game for the "players" here ..is the civil suit...not a conviction. That's why those particular folks crawled out of the woodwork. All IMO


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[aa9511]

'It is a game, a very deadly game, aa9511'.. It is a very serious and escalating problem for law enforcement'....

http://www.jcsd.org/meth symptoms.htm
What are the signs and symptoms of Methamphetamine use? Effects: In large doses, methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior
Effects:

In large doses, methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior, anxiety, excitement, auditory hallucinations, and paranoia (delusions and psychosis). Abusers tend to be violent. Mood changes are common, and the abuser can rapidly change from friendly to hostile. The paranoia produced by methamphetamine use results in suspiciousness, hyperactive behavior, and dramatic mood swings.

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Are there any other problems that can occur from methamphetamine addiction?
http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/methamphetamine-addiction.html

Domestic and other disputes, ordinarily regarded as dangerous situations for law enforcement, become intensified when a meth tweaker is involved because of that individual's unpredictability.

Many motor vehicle violations and accidents may also involve tweakers. Paranoid and hallucinating, tweakers may decide to travel in their automobiles. Their delusional state makes moving shapes and shadows appear threatening, and they are very likely to increase their speed and exhibit erratic driving patterns as they attempt to evade the images.

An additional threat to society and themselves may stem from tweaker's tendency to arm themselves for their personal safety. Interviews with methamphetamine abusers have confirmed that these individuals often maintain weapons in their automobiles, as well as in their residences.

In addition, to support their habit, tweakers often participate in spur-of-the-moment crimes, such as purse snatching, strong-arm robberies, assaults with a weapon, burglaries, and thefts of motor vehicles.

I said, that the evidence clearly showed that Chrisman unjustly and needlessly killed an unarmed Hispanic young man, who was fleeing from him at the time he was shot.

I said, that the jury saw this (it was hung 10-2, with 10 guilty and 2 not-guilty, as was later reported).

So even with meth being found in the victim's body, they were still able to see the truth of the matter.

There are differing accounts of what happened with MB, but IMO, as of now, I feel like he was fleeing from OW. And he was still shot dead like a deer.

 

[Foxfire]

Fox News Sunday w/Mike Wallace discussing Ferguson, Missouri Now...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Point taken. But physical evidence will IMO tell the tale. This case is not black or white but full of all sorts of grey. There are so many differing version out there and we have yet to hear Wilson's. Somewhere between all those versions IMO is the truth and I am hoping the evidence tells it to us. Not emotions, not life expereinces, which vary from person to person, but the physical evidence. Not some of it. All of it.

realize Officers Wilson's state of mind ( emotions) are HUGELY legally relevant..


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[Linda7NJ]

I just don't think size alone determines this. I have dated big men in my life. One was a professional wrestler.. Still not the kind of guys who would attack and keep attacking. One was 6'4 one was 6'7 and one was 6'3.

All big guys.

All big men aren't strong arm robbers bold enough to assault a cop.


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[CHERIE.T]

It's not a celebration by any means but in support of Officer Wilson & every single LEO who places his/her life on the line every single day in specific places in America

Every LEO could be a "Darren Wilson"

oh, BTW - there are 2 investigations going on; media is driving this frenzy of wanting MORE information

Thank you Krimekat :copcar::thumb::curtsey:

 

[aa9511]

Point taken. But physical evidence will IMO tell the tale. This case is not black or white but full of all sorts of grey. There are so many differing version out there and we have yet to hear Wilson's. Somewhere between all those versions IMO is the truth and I am hoping the evidence tells it to us. Not emotions, not life expereinces, which vary from person to person, but the physical evidence. Not some of it. All of it.

Agreed. And I also think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[CHERIE.T]

It looks like a celebration. It looks like they are deciding everything without even having the facts completely. Just like the other side.
I don't believe every officer could be DW. Yes they all put their lives on the line but very few officers ever kill anyone.

I still have to wait to hear more because I don't believe that PO have a license to kill without just cause and I believe they should be held to the highest standard.

Not wanting to see 'just cause' doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[Foxfire]

I said, that the evidence clearly showed that Chrisman unjustly and needlessly killed an unarmed Hispanic young man, who was fleeing from him at the time he was shot.

I said, that the jury saw this (it was hung 10-2, with 10 guilty and 2 not-guilty, as was later reported).

So even with meth being found in the victim's body, they were still able to see the truth of the matter.

Was the Hispanic young man involved in a strong armed robbery, assault a law enforcement officer and attempt to get the officer's firearm? Did the Hispanic young man then bum rush the officer? Apples and oranges, aa9511, imo...

 

[Starry Night]

let's all take a big breath and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw

http://youtu.be/im9XuJJXylw

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Not wanting to see 'just cause' doesn't mean it isn't there.

I didn't say anything about not wanting to see it, I said at this point I don't see it.
I don't want anything for this case except the truth to come out.

 

[gngr~snap]

Thought it was a gun...and it was a controller from a video game


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http://politicalblindspot.com/cop-s...ered-the-door-with-a-nintendo-wii-controller/

I believe it was just the controller.
Had it been. A game gun I could have understood.
That looks more like a TV remote control.

All posts are MOO

 

[Foxfire]

let's all take a big breath and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw

http://youtu.be/im9XuJJXylw

John Lennon --> 'IMAGINE'..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs

 

[Trident]

All big men aren't strong arm robbers bold enough to assault a cop.


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Nope, they aren't. It takes a certain mindset, forged in childhood for them to become this violent, a lot of pain a lot of wishes, a desire to be something, even if they have to use their size to obtain it.

It's sad, really, the little things that could have made so much difference.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Homicide #1 cause of death among black males aged 15-34

Source Black America By The Numbers.
Fox news.

91% of black murder victims killed by other blacks.


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[tlcya]

It matters more, IMO, is which state of mind Officer Wilson was in.
Legally he's not permitted to choose "flight" ....


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I agree. I was mostly speaking to the idea that MB had chosen flight per accounts of him running and the thought that it makes no sense for him to come at OW in an aggressive manner once having selected flight. I am just curious about whether it is something one would do if in full fight/flight adrenaline rush of the moment. The subject was raised. Just trying to examine the why's of MB's actions that day. One must admit, if accounts of him running away and then turning back and advancing toward the officer, it is an unusual move and I have to wonder why he did that.

ATM I am thinking it is because he realized the things that post vehicle confrontation with shot fired had been set in motion and he would not get away, the officer would be pursuing and shots were being fired, he decided it was him or the cop and rushed him. A last ditch effort to not end up dead or wounded, apprehended and in prison. A hail mary move if you will.