MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

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  • #741
Thank you for having the patience of a saint!


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You're welcome, but I really don't. I just get up and scrub floors, walls, tubs, sinks, etc..when I get too frustrated. You should see how clean my house is! :giggle:

Going to the neighbors to see if they need anything done. :D
 
  • #742
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  • #743
bbm,According to baden it was the head shot.

No.. That is not what Baden said. He said the head shot was the shot that killed him. When the threat was over will be up to investigators to decide.
 
  • #744
That will be the issue. When did the threat stop? Because if he was going down in the street already and several people have said that there was a break in the shooting and then the 3 final shots that killed him. So if he was hit and going down then the threat was over. He only had to hold a gun on him and wait for back up. Shooting again only if he got up.

Shooting til the threat is over does not mean shooting until dead. Not with an unarmed person. IMPO

I'm gonna need links for this,"several people have said that there was a break in the shooting and then the 3 final shots that killed him."


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  • #745
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  • #746
One thing I completely don't understand is that after OW shot MB, and MB and Dorian were running away....why did he shoot him more?

I don't think even those who don't think OW did a single thing wrong will be able to answer that.

Why couldn't he have called for backup? Is it common practice in police work that if an unarmed man is running away from police, they have to shoot him down in order to arrest him?

I am thinking that probably the protocol is to call for backup, but I'm not really sure. I do know that it cannot possibly be correct protocol to shoot people for the purpose of arresting them.

This is where, in either version (Dorian or OW), there is no justification. IMO.

Wouldn't it be convenient for OW to claim that MB was charging at him and that's why he shot him more times? Because, IF it's the case that MB was running away from him, then he (OW) really does not have an answer for that.

JMO.

I do think both OW (through the caller) and Dorian are changing things in favor of both of them. Right now I don't wholly believe either of their stories.

MB wasn't shot as he was running away.

That's why there were no bullet wounds in his back.
 
  • #747
You're welcome, but I really don't. I just get up and scrub floors, walls, tubs, sinks, etc..when I get too frustrated. You should see how clean my house is! :giggle:

Going to the neighbors to see if they need anything done. :D

I'm going to PM you my address and a plane ticket! :)


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  • #748
No.. That is not what Baden said. He said the head shot was the shot that killed him. When the threat was over will be up to investigators to decide.

Grand jury...


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  • #749
MB wasn't shot as he was running away.

That's why there were no bullet wounds in his back.

That is not what the evidence says. Since the arms move when we run it is possible that he was shot as he was running away and that was the catalyst for him turning around. It is absolutely possible given the autopsy diagram and we know that OW was shooting at him while he was running away.
 
  • #750
Uh-huh. In the Richard Chrisman case in Arizona (White cop on trial for killing a Hispanic victim), the toxicology reports came back that there was methamphetamine in the victim's body.

The evidence in the trial, IMO, clearly showed that Officer Chrisman unjustly killed that poor young man. The victim was trying to get away on his bike when he was shot dead.

The jury was hung on the murder count. They did vote guilty for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. It was tried by Juan Martinez. There was going to be a re-trial, but instead they reached plea agreement. So Officer Chrisman is in prison now.

Some juries see through the let's-blame-the-victim through drugs game.

I'm not seeing the similarities in these 2 officers.

Richard Crisman:

The attorney for Rodriguez's mother argued the city knowingly employed an officer who'd been punished for planting drug paraphernalia on a mentally ill woman during a training exercise and whose name is on the Brady List – which names police officers who've acted in ways that question their integrity and honesty.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19243370/judge-dismisses-wrongful-death-suit-against-phoenix

Darren Wilson:

FERGUSON, Mo. — Six months before he shot and killed an unarmed teenager, police Officer Darren Wilson earned a commendation for his “extraordinary effort in the line of duty.”
http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html
 
  • #751
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  • #752
I am praying for a trial too. and hoping he does not walk. There is wormwood in the Ferguson PD you just have to look at the other two officers in the news this week. I would be shocked to find one like either of them but instead we have two and a shooter of an unarmed black teen. It speaks volumes to the atmosphere
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Why to you want him to be guilty?

Because I believe he preditively murdered MB He had time when he was running away to cool down let his training come in and call for back up. he didnt' he chose to fatally shoot an unarmed teen
 
  • #753
It's a whole different ballgame once a shot goes off, and you see that a police officer is coming after you with a gun pointed straight at you.

Isn't it?

Wouldn't "fight or flight" kick in at that point?

And MB had already chosen flight. He was already running away.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I believe that if we take the emotion out of this, there is no logic to MB turning around to "charge" OW.

I follow your point, and the description of him running and then turning around does trouble me because, like you, it is so brazen as to be almost unbeleivable. My trouble comes with the fact that OW's actions as initially described by DJ are also so brazen as to be almost unbelievable to me. That is why I think we really need the rest of the story. We have heard from everyone (including many many many who were not there and yet somehow "know" exactly what happened) and yet we have not heard OW's account. Til we have that, then round and round we all go. Each believing what we will believe.

I wonder, is there any research on fight or flight and is it always a given that once one response is selected then that is the response committed to for good and the other may not come into play? that might be interesting for me to look at later this evening once I get everyone fed and laundry in.
 
  • #754
Uh-huh. In the Richard Chrisman case in Arizona (White cop on trial for killing a Hispanic victim), the toxicology reports came back that there was methamphetamine in the victim's body.

The evidence in the trial, IMO, clearly showed that Officer Chrisman unjustly killed that poor young man. The victim was trying to get away on his bike when he was shot dead.

The jury was hung on the murder count. They did vote guilty for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. It was tried by Juan Martinez. There was going to be a re-trial, but instead they reached plea agreement. So Officer Chrisman is in prison now.

Some juries see through the let's-blame-the-victim through drugs game.

'It is a game, a very deadly game, aa9511'.. It is a very serious and escalating problem for law enforcement'....

http://www.jcsd.org/meth symptoms.htm
What are the signs and symptoms of Methamphetamine use? Effects: In large doses, methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior
Effects:

In large doses, methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior, anxiety, excitement, auditory hallucinations, and paranoia (delusions and psychosis). Abusers tend to be violent. Mood changes are common, and the abuser can rapidly change from friendly to hostile. The paranoia produced by methamphetamine use results in suspiciousness, hyperactive behavior, and dramatic mood swings.

_______________<sniped & BBM - read more>________________________________

Are there any other problems that can occur from methamphetamine addiction?
http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/methamphetamine-addiction.html

Domestic and other disputes, ordinarily regarded as dangerous situations for law enforcement, become intensified when a meth tweaker is involved because of that individual's unpredictability.

Many motor vehicle violations and accidents may also involve tweakers. Paranoid and hallucinating, tweakers may decide to travel in their automobiles. Their delusional state makes moving shapes and shadows appear threatening, and they are very likely to increase their speed and exhibit erratic driving patterns as they attempt to evade the images.

An additional threat to society and themselves may stem from tweaker's tendency to arm themselves for their personal safety. Interviews with methamphetamine abusers have confirmed that these individuals often maintain weapons in their automobiles, as well as in their residences.

In addition, to support their habit, tweakers often participate in spur-of-the-moment crimes, such as purse snatching, strong-arm robberies, assaults with a weapon, burglaries, and thefts of motor vehicles.
 
  • #755
You do realize that it takes all of 2 seconds to shoot 6 rounds, right? This entire event lasted less than a minute.
It's not like Wilson shot Brown once and said, "Hmmm, I wonder if that will stop him?"

They are trained to shoot until the threat STOPS.

This isn't TV or a movie or some cartoon fantasy-land.
It's easy to sit at a computer and say, "Oh, I would have done____!" or "I wouldn't have done____!"

Until one's life is in danger, after being smashed in the face by a giant and him trying to steal your weapon, I don't think someone sitting on a comfy chair/couch on a computer can pretend to be in Officer Wilson's shoes.

No, you're right, we don't know. But we as citizens sitting in our comfy chair on our computers ALSO don't go through training to deal with tense and stressful situations. It is not our job.

Officer Wilson has a LOT on the line right now...his job and probably some years of freedom....are on the line. Let's not take this for granted. He could also be telling the story in HIS favor....could he not?
 
  • #756
Hello Everyone! :)

I have been reading here for a while and finally registered. Just got approved and I'm excited being here and look forward discussing this case with you all. :)

:wagon: Oceans! You picked a heck of a hotly debated case to arrive in the middle of :) Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
 
  • #757
And yet some people will wonder why LE is on high alert in certain areas. The more time that goes by and the more things I see and read, I'm shocked that Officer Wilson survived this attack.

I know he might not feel like it now, because he's had to go into hiding and his life as he knows it is gone, but he is a lucky, lucky man that he escaped with his life.

^^^ that is so true.
 
  • #758
Hello Everyone! :)

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Hi and Welcome. You picked a very sensitive case to be your first one on here.

Welcome!
 
  • #759
Last time I will persue any of this. Men this large will NOT stop coming at you until they are dead. Maybe MB ran after assaulting the Officer in the police car/SUV, I don't know. I do know DW was hurt, even according to the Brown's lawyer, and the Ferguson police Chief. There are/should be hospital records.

Was he in fear of his life? You betcha he was. Was he assaulted? Yep. Was he justified in shooting MB? Yes. That was the only way to stop this huge, obviously out-of-control guy. There was no other way for the safety of the officer, or the public at large, as evidenced by the strong arming of the shop keeper. MB was a loose cannon, a felon at this point. In my opinion there was no option but to shoot to kill, LEGALLY.
 
  • #760
No, you're right, we don't know. But we as citizens sitting in our comfy chair on our computers ALSO don't go through training to deal with tense and stressful situations. It is not our job.

Officer Wilson has a LOT on the line right now...his job and probably some years of freedom....are on the line. Let's not take this for granted. He could also be telling the story in HIS favor....could he not?

Point taken. But physical evidence will IMO tell the tale. This case is not black or white but full of all sorts of grey. There are so many differing version out there and we have yet to hear Wilson's. Somewhere between all those versions IMO is the truth and I am hoping the evidence tells it to us. Not emotions, not life expereinces, which vary from person to person, but the physical evidence. Not some of it. All of it.
 
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