MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[krimekat]

Why couldn't they taser him? I know that's probably beenasked lots but I have had trouble keeping up with these threads!

because that is not SOP for LE -- links above to prove

if you are LEO & someone attempts to grab your gun, you're going to use a taser on a 300 lbs person? LOL Don't bring a knife to a gun fight

 

[Lovejac]

Not near enough? Witnesses say he was leaning into the car punching OW in the face. Isn't that near enough?

What's that mean--- 'may have touched the gun but no indication he was trying to take it? ' :waitasec:

Maybe he wanted to admire it? Nope, he was trying to take it and IMO, if he had gotten it, Office Wilson would be dead right now.

 

[Elley Mae]

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[jmcgladr]

Not near enough? Witnesses say he was leaning into the car punching OW in the face. Isn't that near enough?

What's that mean--- 'may have touched the gun but no indication he was trying to take it? ' :waitasec:

OK, first, when MB was fatally shot, he was no longer at the police cruiser, correct? He had fled some distance away and was being pursued by OW in some accounts, or shot at from the police cruiser in other accounts. He was shot from a distance, and was not attempting to grab OW's gun at the time he got the head/chest wounds, not by any account I have read. The alleged (as yet unproven) punching or grabbing of the gun happened earlier, not when MB was shot down. We don't know for sure if MB even touched the gun, let alone tried to take it from OW. That is all just speculation at this point.

 

[katydid23]

JMO There is always the possibility that MB tried to deflect the weapon by pushing it away..........dunno.....we need forensics.........but that could explain the "gash" or "graze" wound in his right hand....again, forensics, please. JMO

Pushing it away because the cop pulled it out because MB WAS PUNCHING HIM IN THE FACE?

 

[krimekat]

??? "MB Defense" ??? Unless the American System of Justice changed while I was sleeping, the "Defense" in this yet- to- be- determined- by- a- Grand- Jury criminal case is the as- yet- unnamed attorney for the person who killed MB. IF it becomes a court case, the defendant would be Darren Wilson. IMO

wait -- aren't you privy to all the media MBs parents & friends & community & attorneys who are already trying this case in the public arena? Whether it be the "respondent" or the "defendant" this is being "bastardized" in the media IMHO -- I meant "defense" as in defending that HS graduating teenager ready to go off to Vatterott College & never ever was in trouble . . .

No OW will not be the defendant IMHO -- but he was defending his life!

 

[bettybaby00]

I was reading the witness statement (MB's friend I forget his initials). He states that the officer reached out the cruiser window and grabbed MB by the throat. I have trouble imagining the physics of this. MB is what 6 foot 3 (I think this is what I read). How can someone sitting in a car reach out and grab someone that tall by the throat? It seems impossible unless you are literally hanging out the window, which wouldn't make much sense as it would be uncomfortable/unsafe and you wouldn't be able to get a good hold. He could possibly grab him by the throat if he was bent down at the window but it would still seem to me that it would be the person in the vehicle that was at the disadvantage as the person outside the vehicle could use the vehicle as leverage to pull away. Anyways that's my 2 cents.

On judge Jeannine last night, Baden said that scenario was unlikely give Wilson's position, and MBs size.

Gotta check if she has vid clips up yet.

ETA
not yet....she seems to have considerable lag time...maybe b/c it's a weekly show :dunno:

She's content was discussed last night....probably a few pages back.

 

[katydid23]

OK, first, when MB was fatally shot, he was no longer at the police cruiser, correct? He had fled some distance away and was being pursued by OW in some accounts, or shot at from the police cruiser in other accounts. He was shot from a distance, and was not attempting to grab OW's gun at the time he got the head/chest wounds, not by any account I have read. The alleged (as yet unproven) punching or grabbing of the gun happened earlier, not when MB was shot down. We don't know for sure if MB even touched the gun, let alone tried to take it from OW. That is all just speculation at this point.

Right. He was being pursued because he assaulted an officer and they struggled over a gun, with a shot fired.

If it is shown that the gun went off in the car, and there is blood from MB in the car, then what?

 

[Foxfire]

OK, first, when MB was fatally shot, he was no longer at the police cruiser, correct? He had fled some distance away and was being pursued by OW in some accounts, or shot at from the police cruiser in other accounts. He was shot from a distance, and was not attempting to grab OW's gun at the time he got the head/chest wounds, not by any account I have read. The alleged (as yet unproven) punching or grabbing of the gun happened earlier, not when MB was shot down. We don't know for sure if MB even touched the gun, let alone tried to take it from OW. That is all just speculation at this point.

<BBM for Focus>

Speculation, imo...

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've not seen this eyewitness report before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qo14KOcQxw

So we have Browns feet run over and Wilson shot him from the vehicle, he never got out of it...and Mike Brown was a little boy...

Alrighty then


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[krimekat]

Would that money, if it were donated for his defense, go right into the Union's defense fund or benevolent society?

right now they are donating through Shield of Hope, a StL based Charity. and at the rally yesterday, the proceeds went to Shield of Hope in DWs name

http://www.shieldofhope.net/about.html

 

[Lovejac]

<BBM for Focus>

Speculation, imo...

Depending on which bystander eyewitness cell phone recording you watch

 

[bettybaby00]

Cop who killed Michael Brown started his career at disgraced unit that was DISBANDED over racial tensions - after officers opened fire on fleeing mother and child and beat up another woman

Darren Wilson was a rookie cop in Jennings, Missouri

The small city had a majority of black citizens but an almost completely white police force

The entire department was dismissed amid allegations of racial prejudice, unnecessary use of force lawsuits and corruption

Wilson's next job was in Ferguson, from which he's on leave pending the investigation into the death of Michael Brown

Wilson shot Brown, 18, six times on August 9

There have been mass protests and demonstrations in Ferguson since


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here's what London MSM is reporting

and NOTE: if you are not from this area (StL metro) it may prove to be advantageous to try & understand how/why these suburbs which once were flourishing are now tanking . . . IMHO it's the political structure, the public school system & the lack of supervision by parents (or whomever is responsible for the children)

Can't wait for MBs juvie record to be public knowledge

This I'm sure is what Parks was alluding to the other night when MB s alleged juvenile record was brought up. The argument will be made that he was part of the problem. IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Would that money, if it were donated for his defense, go right into the Union's defense fund or benevolent society?

The site details exactly what it's for and how it's to be dispersed.


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[katydid23]

Well, there are (to me) many indications that this job should be approached differently in the Ferguson/St. Louis area and probably a number of other cities in the USA. For example, going back to community policing, where officers know and live amongst the residents they are supposed to serve and protect.

well that sounds great. It worked in Mayberry. But gangs make that very difficult. It is hard to arrest gang members and then go home to the same little neighborhood and send your kids to school there if there are criminals there also that want you dead.

 

[krimekat]

It looks like a celebration. It looks like they are deciding everything without even having the facts completely. Just like the other side.
I don't believe every officer could be DW. Yes they all put their lives on the line but very few officers ever kill anyone.

I still have to wait to hear more because I don't believe that PO have a license to kill without just cause and I believe they should be held to the highest standard.

You know what looks like a celebration? The riots & looting in Ferguson/surrounding areas !

There are ways to protest that don't involve stealing from your community!!! And I do believe the support, financial & physical, we are providing to Darren Wilson is more effective! You will not see looting down in South StL . . .

Every single LEO could be a "Darren Wilson" IMHO but I respect you view

 

[Sonya610]

No, there was no master plan to shoot an officer. But once he had robbed the liquor store, and was walking with the stolen merchandise, and got caught with it red-handed, what's he going to do? I think he makes an impulsive, stupid decision to blindside the cop, to try to get away. He shoves him, then punches him. Now the cop goes for his gun, so MB was forced to fight him over it and the rest is history.

Well not walking down the middle of the street and obstructing traffic and drawing attention to oneself might be what a reasonably sane person would do after a strong armed robbery.

And if a cop pulled up behind you and told you to get out of the street, an even somewhat slightly sane person would well....GET OUT OF THE STREET quietly and then RUN when the cop couldn't see you!

But MB did neither of those things, because for whatever reason he was NOT acting like a reasonable person would after he robbed that store.

 

[jmcgladr]

Right. He was being pursued because he assaulted an officer and they struggled over a gun, with a shot fired.

If it is shown that the gun went off in the car, and there is blood from MB in the car, then what?

Well, what do you think that proves, other than OW fired his gun in the patrol car, and it hit/bloodied MB? Not sure how that evidence would let OW off the hook?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You know what looks like a celebration? The riots & looting in Ferguson !

There are ways to protest that don't involve stealing from your community!!! And I do believe the support, financial & physical, we are providing to Darren Wilson is more effective! You will not see looting down in South StL . . .

That is not a celebration. That is pain and frustration. Yes there are a few horrible people there, and those were mainly from out of town there to make trouble. Yes there are always trouble makers but that does not mean that was the majority of the people.
It was not a celebration.

This would not have been any kind of issue IMO if the police had handled this correctly from the beginning. Been forth coming with information and treated the people better. I think the police made it worse in the way they handled it.

 

[Sonya610]

Honestly the fact that we are even discussing this is crazy!

MB robbed a store, then walked down the middle of the street, then REFUSED to get out of the street when a police officer asked him too, then got into a confrontation with the police officer IN THE OFFICER'S CAR!!!!!!!

And folks are still wondering why that <modsnip> child was shot. Society is surely going to h*ll in a handbasket.