MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[Kimster]

What social media sites are we allowed to link? :waitasec:

Social Networks

Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor. Copying and pasting, or taking screen caps, directly from these pages is not allowed. Paraphrasing is okay. (Exception: If the Twitter or Facebook post belongs to a verified news station, it may be copied. But a link should still be provided.)

Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

 

[bettybaby00]

He didn't assault a clerk, that was the owner (though the owner doesn't want that stated).

Notice here was NO bullet proof glass up at that store, there will be in the future. This has changed Ferguson forever.

BBM
IDK this.

 

[tlcya]

Frydaddy, great post.

You mentioned a few so called eye witness reports to the actual incident between MB and OW.
Did you watch one of the first released cell vids made after MB died?
I heard at least 3 imo different voices say --omitting the f's and mf's and paraphrasing:
The cop stood over him and shot him. :scared:
The cop shot and he (MB) didn't do nothin. :notgood:
The cop shot him in the back over and over.

People who were not eye witnesses made stuff up as they stood there.
Sickening imo.

and yet there is STILL very little talk about what is heard on that video by the one person who I think may have actually seen the events and described MB "in" the vehicle window. Some sort of struggle that he could not clearly see. What sounded like a gunshot. MB running and then turning and coming back toward the officer and the officer firing his weapon and continuing to fire. This is probably IMO the best most reasonable account of what was happening from an uninterested third party observer made through excited utterances just after the shooting.

But there has been very little coverage and attention given that man's words in the press even now. I hope that young man came forward to investigators and has given his statement. I really do. Because of all the witness accounts, that man's seems the most realistic and unbiased account of just what he could see without the assumptions and commentary that the others have inserted into their statements.

It just occurred to me to wonder if the unidentified voice in the cell video could possibly be that of Brady, the witness who most recently came forward in the press.

 

[SStarr33]

One thing I completely don't understand is that after OW shot MB, and MB and Dorian were running away....why did he shoot him more?

I don't think even those who don't think OW did a single thing wrong will be able to answer that.

Why couldn't he have called for backup? Is it common practice in police work that if an unarmed man is running away from police, they have to shoot him down in order to arrest him?

I am thinking that probably the protocol is to call for backup, but I'm not really sure. I do know that it cannot possibly be correct protocol to shoot people for the purpose of arresting them.

This is where, in either version (Dorian or OW), there is no justification. IMO.

Wouldn't it be convenient for OW to claim that MB was charging at him and that's why he shot him more times? Because, IF it's the case that MB was running away from him, then he (OW) really does not have an answer for that.

JMO.

I do think both OW (through the caller) and Dorian are changing things in favor of both of them. Right now I don't wholly believe either of their stories.

MB was not running away. Maybe you might want to go back and do some reading?? Here is the media thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...el-Brown-*Media-Timelines-Maps*-No-Discussion

 

[jggordo]

I never get ANYTHING good recorded. For some reason I can't avert my eyes long enough to photograph or video.

Even tournaments, or special moments my own kid...I bring along someone else to do it.

Still life and posed...I'm awesome...

I'd make the worst videographer/ photojournalist on the planet!!!

I'm always amazed by those that are able to perfectly capture stuff and think in a split second .."I'm gonna document this"
Kudos!



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It seems to me that most (that I have heard) statements are from those who heard the tires noise and the "tussle" at the car window of the cruiser claim to see that much. And most state that they left the window, or the room, went downstairs after getting their cell phones to record it. By the time they got the phone and started recording, it was over. The shooting and chase had happened. So rather than to witness and possibly take notes and times everyone would rather have the video for the 5:00 news. I believe in the very first moments and minutes the 911 dispatcher was getting calls from the media more than witnesses.

JMO's

 

[SStarr33]

What social media sites are we allowed to link? :waitasec:

Social Networks

Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor. Copying and pasting, or taking screen caps, directly from these pages is not allowed. Paraphrasing is okay. (Exception: If the Twitter or Facebook post belongs to a verified news station, it may be copied. But a link should still be provided.)

Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

I thought we could link to witnesses?

 

[tlcya]

Attorney James Williams, colleague of DJ attorney Bosley, said to Judge Jennine (sp):

"There's been a lot of misinformation - a lot of attempts to distract from the truth. The truth here is that these two unarmed young men were running down the street away from a police officer when he chased them and gunned them down. He didn't try to apprehend them without using deadly force."

Yes and these two unusual men seem to feel just as Parks and Crump do that it matters not whatever happened with the "tussle" at the vehicle because what is important is that this officer shot down and unarmed teen called alternately "big Mike" and "mike mike". :sigh:

When the truth of the matter is whatever happened during that confrontation at the vehicle is key and directly dictated whatever came after. Period. And all these attorneys should be ashamed of themselves for leading a public full of laymen to think anything otherwise. JMO

 

[aa9511]

MB was not running away. Maybe you might want to go back and do some reading?? Here is the media thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...el-Brown-*Media-Timelines-Maps*-No-Discussion

He wasn't running away?

So if he wasn't running away, and the original altercation had been by the car, then shouldn't his dead body have been laying right next to the car?

Did OW drag his body away from his vehicle?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He wasn't running away?

So if he wasn't running away, and the original altercation had been by the car, then shouldn't his dead body have been laying right next to the car?

Did OW drag his body away from his vehicle?

He did run away and then stopped and turned around. That has been stated by many witnesses.

 

[Kimster]

I thought we could link to witnesses?

I posted the rules. You might be thinking about linking to their discussions in MSM. :kimsterwink:

 

[bwt42]

One thing I completely don't understand is that after OW shot MB, and MB and Dorian were running away....why did he shoot him more?

I don't think even those who don't think OW did a single thing wrong will be able to answer that.

Why couldn't he have called for backup? Is it common practice in police work that if an unarmed man is running away from police, they have to shoot him down in order to arrest him?

I am thinking that probably the protocol is to call for backup, but I'm not really sure. I do know that it cannot possibly be correct protocol to shoot people for the purpose of arresting them.

This is where, in either version (Dorian or OW), there is no justification. IMO.

Wouldn't it be convenient for OW to claim that MB was charging at him and that's why he shot him more times? Because, IF it's the case that MB was running away from him, then he (OW) really does not have an answer for that.

JMO.

I do think both OW (through the caller) and Dorian are changing things in favor of both of them. Right now I don't wholly believe either of their stories.

The fatal shot was not fired as he was running away uless he was runing backwards.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

'As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html

"Witnesses have given investigators conflicting accounts of what occurred. The biggest differences have arisen in describing what happened after Brown ran away from Wilson’s car, as the New York Times reported:
"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/

It is clear that MB ran away from the car and that DW fired at him while he was running away. That seems to be an undisputed fact.

 

[ladonna]

Have they had the peace rally yet?

 

[bettybaby00]

One thing I completely don't understand is that after OW shot MB, and MB and Dorian were running away....why did he shoot him more?

I don't think even those who don't think OW did a single thing wrong will be able to answer that.

Why couldn't he have called for backup? Is it common practice in police work that if an unarmed man is running away from police, they have to shoot him down in order to arrest him?

I am thinking that probably the protocol is to call for backup, but I'm not really sure. I do know that it cannot possibly be correct protocol to shoot people for the purpose of arresting them.

This is where, in either version (Dorian or OW), there is no justification. IMO.

Wouldn't it be convenient for OW to claim that MB was charging at him and that's why he shot him more times? Because, IF it's the case that MB was running away from him, then he (OW) really does not have an answer for that.

JMO.

I do think both OW (through the caller) and Dorian are changing things in favor of both of them. Right now I don't wholly believe either of their stories.

Raises hand.

We don't know how MB was "shot at the car." all we know is that it appears (based on witness and MBs lawyer statements) MB was injured at that time.

1) Did he get shot b/c officer pointed gun at him and shot him, or
2) did he get "shot" b/c there was a struggle for the gun, and it discharged

We don't know. Your "either way there was no justification" is opinion, and again according to law...

The decision found that an officer's use of force should be considered on the facts of each case. Officers are to weigh the seriousness of the crime, whether the suspect poses a threat to the safety of police or others and whether the suspect is trying to resist arrest.

The 'reasonableness' of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight," Rehnquist wrote.

Officers are to be judged by those standards even if things look different to people who weren't involved.

"What a police officer, what she perceives at the moment of application of force, may seem very different in the hard light of the following Monday morning," said Ken Wallentine, a recently retired police chief and former law professor in Utah.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-...cle_b9ed4862-0afe-56c5-9250-5db7c2165a5d.html

 

[SStarr33]

He wasn't running away?

So if he wasn't running away, and the original altercation had been by the car, then shouldn't his dead body have been laying right next to the car?

Did OW drag his body away from his vehicle?

If you are asking those kind of questions, IMO you need to do some reading.

 

[aa9511]

He did run away and then stopped and turned around. That has been stated by many witnesses.

Ok, so if you can bear with me, I would like to look at this logically.

He was shot. Then he ran away from OW, after being shot.

Then he turned around.

He was unarmed.

He was shot.

OW was out of his car and pointing the gun at him and shooting away.

WTH would he turn around to "charge" OW????????????? I cannot put enough incredulous question marks after that question.

That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

Does it not make infinitely more sense that he KNEW OW WAS GOING TO SHOOT HM MORE, and he turned around to try to tell OW that he was unarmed and to STOP SHOOTING HIM.


JMO.

That is the conclusion I come with by looking at it logically. MOO.

 

[aa9511]

If you are asking those kind of questions, IMO you need to do some reading.

He did run away. That is a FACT. IDK what you are trying to say. If you're trying to say I shouldn't challenge the version of the story which has been running through this thread and taking as fact, then I'm sorry but I have every right to post as you do.

 

[Trident]

No, one is fact the other is opinion. The man was not strangled. he was shoved. FACT.

I don't think that MB was murdered either but he was killed by an officer and so there needs to be just cause. I just don't see the whole case yet.

Congratulations - no one else has seen the whole case either, So far all we've gotten are a bunch of lies, protests, lawyer double speak, riots, and looting. Oh yeah, we got to see Jesse and Al. The NAACP turned out, and I believe there may have been muslim reps.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Ok, so if you can bear with me, I would like to look at this logically.

He was shot. Then he ran away from OW, after being shot.

Then he turned around.

He was unarmed.

He was shot.

OW was out of his car and pointing the gun at him and shooting away.

WTH would he turn around to "charge" OW????????????? I cannot put enough incredulous question marks after that question.

That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

Does it not make infinitely more sense that he KNEW OW WAS GOING TO SHOOT HM MORE, and he turned around to try to tell OW that he was unarmed and to STOP SHOOTING HIM.


JMO.

That is the conclusion I come with by looking at it logically. MOO.

He was not shot in the car. But he could have been shot when he was running away. That is possible. But it would not have been the shot that killed him it would have been in his arm.
I don't think the evidence shows that MB charged at anyone at this point. I think that he turned around to face OW but it could have been completely in surrender. There is nothing that shows us he was charging at OW.

I am struggling a lot with this case.

The last shots came when MB was facing him. I can see him getting the fatal shot while falling forward. I don't think it fits with MB charging him.

 

[SStarr33]

Michael Brown Called 'Little Kid in Big Body'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/michael-brown-called-kid-big-body-25102803