MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[Foxfire]

I think that it is great that we can all discuss it. I find myself on different sides of cases all the time. And sometimes I am on one side until all the facts are released and I have switched my opinion. I think that there are too many questions I need answered but for me the weight of the responsibility lies with the officer. Right now I don't have enough of his direct testimony to accept his decision in this case. It could change. But for now, I see so many things that trouble me.

I follow the evidence. I don't get wrapped up in the emotions and the sensationalism of the cases.. The only thing I can do is take one fact at a time look for truth.

<BBM for Focus>

For me the weight of the responsibility lies with the prosecutor, that must prove Officer DW's guilt Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. ...

 

[bwt42]

He was some distance from the vehicle. In other words, he was not right next to the vehicle where the altercation took place.

Doesn't that mean that at some point he ran or walked away?

How did get from Point A (vehicle) to Point B (body lay)?

Of course he ran away. You said he was shot running away. We don't know that. I have posted in the past that even shooting as he ran away was proplematic for OW.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Would you agree that in Officer Wilson's mind it was processed as all one event?


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No. If premeditation occurs in a blink of an eye, let alone after there is a separation of the parties involved and the second one picks up the gun or knife and shoots them 6 more times they are charged with murder. OW could have and should have (and have the training to) realize his quarry is running away, unarmed and to call for backup. Not then take out his gun and fire bullets into him.

Yes he turned around, i agree with aa to say something like "i surr3ender" but he was falling before he could get anything out.

imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's kinda a cheap shot.........of course not.

Is it?

I was pointing out the error of that unfair character assassination made in the post I responded to based on the actions of a few.


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[bettybaby00]

I think the problem is many want to view in "more than a tussle" / " serious incident" in the vehicle as separate instances. It isn't. Imo


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This...

And it's why, unless MB was facing wilson with his hands in the air saying don't shoot, it doesn't matter, under the law, how far away from the vehicle he was.

People may not like the law, but it's there for a reason.

Someone brazen enough to get into a physical altercation with a police officer, while said police officer is still in his car, struggle for the gun, and a shot goes off is going to be considered an imminent threat to the officer and those in the community.

IF Michael Brown was down on his knees, surrendering with his hands in the air as some witnesses have stated, then I'm sure the shooting will be judged unjustifiable.

 

[tlcya]

I think the problem is many want to view in "more than a tussle" / " serious incident" in the vehicle as separate instances. It isn't. Imo


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This.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

<BBM for Focus>

For me the weight of the responsibility lies with the prosecutor, that must prove Officer DW's guilt Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. ...

I was talking out on the street not in court. That is two different arenas.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No. If premeditation occurs in a blink of an eye, let alone after there is a separation of the parties involved and the second one picks up the gun or knife and shoots them 6 more times they are charged with murder. OW could have and should have (and have the training to) realize his quarry is running away, unarmed and to call for backup. Not then take out his gun and fire bullets into him.

Yes he turned around, i agree with aa to say something like "i surr3ender" but he was falling before he could get anything out.

imo

The law disagrees.



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[Trident]

I am praying for a trial too. and hoping he does not walk. There is wormwood in the Ferguson PD you just have to look at the other two officers in the news this week. I would be shocked to find one like either of them but instead we have two and a shooter of an unarmed black teen. It speaks volumes to the atmosphere
imo

BBM - I believe there IS wormwood in Ferguson, and I don't believe it is simply in the police department.

If we could speak honestly, and openly, yeah, we would fight, but we might get closer to the truth than we are with all this beating around the bush.

:cow:

 

[JLSChook]

Attorney James Williams, colleague of DJ attorney Bosley, said to Judge Jennine (sp):

"There's been a lot of misinformation - a lot of attempts to distract from the truth. The truth here is that these two unarmed young men were running down the street away from a police officer when he chased them and gunned them down. He didn't try to apprehend them without using deadly force."

The saddest thing about this ridiculous statement is that some people will actually believe it! :facepalm:

 

[aa9511]

In one recording (that has been posted several times), the person recording can be heard saying "Oh no, he turned around and is coming back", or words to that effect. So let's consider this: MB was shot approximately 35' from OW. What if MB ran 50', turned around and came back 15' and then was shot. We know MB turned around because he was facing OW when he was shot. I don't think we know for sure that he stopped as soon as he turned around. If MB's blood is found beyond where he was fatally shot, it may answer the hypothetical.

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

 

[Linda7NJ]

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

We already witnessed the brazen disrespect for the law Mike Brown displayed that day. Why should I believe he changed in an instant?


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[tlcya]

WE DO NOT KNOW, none of us. NONE.OF.US. know if MB turned around to "charge" MB. I have listed my logic above for why I actually find that idea completely ludicrous.

And technically, OW killed MB. MB did not fire the gun at himself. Officer Wilson killed Michael Brown.

The BBM is a fact not in dispute. MB is dead and OW killed him. What is being debated and what the case is, is was the officer justified in his actions. Without knowing the full sequence of events, start to finish and the actions of both parties, that question cannot be answered.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

We already witnessed the brazen disrespect for the law Mike Brown displayed that day. Why should I believe he changed in an instant?


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That bothers me also.. But I know people who would steal and not kill anyone. I know people that will disrespect average people but when it comes to cops, they tow the line.. I just don't know the answer to this except, not knowing either party personally at this point one can only guess.

 

[Apollo]

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

I don't know. It doesn't make any more sense to me than it did to the guy making the recording who said "Oh no, he's turning around and coming back!" Maybe the toxicolgy report will shed some light on it.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

It is mind boggling but that does not mean that didn't happened. We have seen more than one person go after officers and I can not ever understand it. We just don't know what happened, Was he going down or trying to surrender? Or was he mad and charging? That is what has to be proven one way or another to find the answers here.

 

[aa9511]

Can you believe a thief would walk into a store, steal a $50 item and then instead of making a bee line for the door and getting the heck out of there, he would turrn around and rough up the store owner a little bit before he left?

OMG did I watch different video from everyone else? The shopowner was obviously trying to stop MB from leaving the store. He was trying to block them from leaving. Poor shopowner, I feel bad for what he went through, but he also put himself in dangerous position by trying to single-handedly stop the group from leaving the store.

 

[Foxfire]

Whatever way he got shot, he still got shot, didn't he?

And he at some point either ran or walked away from the car because if POint A is vehicle, he was found at Point B, 35 feet away from the vehicle.

At some point he was running or walking away from the vehicle.

I don't believe for ONE SECOND or one iota or one fiber of my body, that MB would be running away from the car, knowing OW was coming after him with a GUN in his hand, possibly already having been shot one way or another, and he would turn around to come BACK to OW. After the gun had already gone off. After already been shot.

OMG I mean come on, folks, this is a human being we're talking about here.

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Imo, once the full tox report is complete, if the results are released, this possible brazen behavior may be explained, imo...

 

[Linda7NJ]

So was MB thinking that he was going to deflect bullets with his arms like Iron Man?

Was he thinking he was going to survive onslaught of bullets and somehow come back and get his hands on OW?

Same thing we have to think what reasonable police officer would do, shouldn't we apply some reason to what a reasonable human being in the same situation would do?

Why in the world would MB come running back to OW who at this point was pointing the gun straight at him?

No, because it's a police officers job. IMO


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

OMG did I watch different video from everyone else? The shopowner was obviously trying to stop MB from leaving the store. He was trying to block them from leaving. Poor shopowner, I feel bad for what he went through, but he also put himself in dangerous position by trying to single-handedly stop the group from leaving the store.

The problem with that is MB's actions not the shop owner trying to protect his property. MB should not have stolen and should not have touched the guy. That is clear.