MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[Linda7NJ]

Do I think it could look like he was trying to pull him into his car? Sure, but that's just a perception. Do I think he actually was? No, I think that's as likely as a <modsnip> dude trying to jump through a window to get a gun. More likely, if at all, the cop was trying to simply grab MB to stop him from going anywhere.

Ummmm no. How would that even work? Through a window no cop is gonna grab onto a guy twice his weight and 6'4" to stop him from going anywhere.

There is simply no way. None.

IMO


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[reedus23]

If MB bumrushed the cop, and punched him in the face, then it is ALL on MB. There is nothing that would condone that, short of OW pulling up and threatening MB's life.

And i know that you are convinced that OW was rude and disrespectful and said something to anger MB from the start. But I don't see any evidence that OW ever was written up or reported for being rude or disrespectful. Whereas we have video evidence of MB being aggressive and intimidating in his assault of the store owner just 10 minutes prior. So I think it is kind of unfair for you to keep assuming that OW did anything to warrant him being assaulted in his patrol car. jmo

The only person who has said that OW said something disrespectful is DJ. And even then, all he supposedly said was get out of the effin street. Considering they were blocking traffic on a crowded road, I dont see that as that offensive a remark. jmo He didnt call him the n-word or anything, or DJ would have already reported that.

First paragraph...I will again use my hypothetical. If I walk up to a cop, punch him in the face and lay down in the street with my arms spread wide, hands open, showing I have no weapon and surrendering to arrest, that cop has no right to shoot me under the law. I completely understand that this is an extreme example but I don't know how else to get my point across that MB could have been a sole instigator and and felon and sucker punched DW, but if he had surrendered himself to arrest prior to those fatal shots, there is no justification because the use of deadly force was not immediately necessary to effect the arrest. That is not condoning MB's actions at all. I hardly believe MB is a saint. But if an arrest was able to be effectuated without the use of deadly force, it doesn't matter how gross or how wrong MB's actions were previously, he should have been arrested.

Please tell me where I said anything that remotely said the cop deserved to be assaulted? If I said that, I will apologize. Do I think the cop was rude? Probably by my definition of rude, but maybe he needed to be or maybe that isn't considered rude by others. But that doesn't come anywhere near saying it warrants someone assaulting an officer.

I think either I haven't been clear in my position or you are misunderstanding or misstating my position.

 

[TheDuchess]

Ray Downs &#8207;@RayDowns 2m
The St. Louis County Police Department's hockey team is fully behind Darren Wilson. pic.twitter.com/l53azmyRPx

This photo is going to go over very well with the MB crowd...NOT!!! :scared:

 

[reedus23]

I have read enough to understand why people of Ferguson may be concerned that there are serious problems with their police department and some of their officers. And I am glad the Feds may be looking at it for that reason. I simply think this shooting is not as it was first presented the public or the residents of Ferguson by one very tall tale telling DJ. I find it very frustrating that an officer of the law who has never had one complaint made about his behavior by those same citizens that we are aware of (and if even one existed I feel reasonably confident Crump and Co. would have been shouting it from rooftops with bullhorns by now) is being railroaded for something he personally is not responsible for for the greater good.

JMO IMO and all that jazzy jazz

I think such a review of the department is more important than a single case, regardless of the outcome of this case. I will leave the railroaded portion alone. I think the legal process is playing itself out and I'm sure that's what you would want as well, or else the argument is no different than those who want him arrested and convicted without a trial.

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article1337089.html

"Professor" Parcells is back, bankrupt but unbowed.

 

[momrids6]

They are protesting for something no one can give them.

It's gone far past a "protest", imo. A peaceful protest is one in which no one or nothing is harmed, and hopefully brings about reasonable discussion and change.

Imo, I think many tactics we have seen are baiting, detracting, and some are downright ridiculous- taking credibility away from the ones who actually have legitimate grievances.

 

[reedus23]

Ray Downs &#8207;@RayDowns 2m
The St. Louis County Police Department's hockey team is fully behind Darren Wilson. pic.twitter.com/l53azmyRPx

Here is my question. How is a community supposed to have any faith in the St. Louis County PD and the St. Louis County DA to fully investigate their own when there are these statements of support or solidarity? I fully understand why they do and don't begrudge them the right to. But serious question, how is a community supposed to feel any fair investigation is being conducted if they are also saying, at the same time, they are fully behind the person being investigated. I just don't get that.

 

[SStarr33]

I don't understand how anyone can keep a job these days or do much without a phone. I know loads of people who are making low wages, and they would be lost without a phone. Employers are always reschduling their shifts, etc. No one does land lines anymore, just the cell. It's expected by employers that you have one these days. People who work for Walmart etc are paid so low these days they qualify for food stamps. Yep people blame the individuals who are taxed, but not Walmart who escapes paying their fare share and pays exploitive wages. IMHO, it's missing the big picture.

LOLOLOLOL.

Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers and those who want to supplement their income. IMHO, those who do not understand this are missing more than the big picture.

 

[momrids6]

Here is my question. How is a community supposed to have any faith in the St. Louis County PD and the St. Louis County DA to fully investigate their own when there are these statements of support or solidarity? I fully understand why they do and don't begrudge them the right to. But serious question, how is a community supposed to feel any fair investigation is being conducted if they are also saying, at the same time, they are fully behind the person being investigated. I just don't get that.

seems to be a matter of double standard

 

[reedus23]

There is at least one that no longer works because she quit her job so she could protest. Article is linked in the threads somewhere.

More power to her. Her life not mine.

 

[reedus23]

Ummmm no. How would that even work? Through a window no cop is gonna grab onto a guy twice his weight and 6'4" to stop him from going anywhere.

There is simply no way. None.

IMO


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If there's any struggle at the car, to me it makes more sense than DW pulling MB into the car and it makes more sense than MB deciding his 300 pounds or whatever it is could get through that window and get a gun. That or there was no scuffle at all.

 

[DebinGA]

Anyone feeling sympathy for DJ after today's WaPo lovefest should visit the Treepers for an updated dose of reality.

 

[SStarr33]

Here is my question. How is a community supposed to have any faith in the St. Louis County PD and the St. Louis County DA to fully investigate their own when there are these statements of support or solidarity? I fully understand why they do and don't begrudge them the right to. But serious question, how is a community supposed to feel any fair investigation is being conducted if they are also saying, at the same time, they are fully behind the person being investigated. I just don't get that.

Here is my question. How is a community supposed to have any faith in the state when the Governor makes a statement like &#8220;A vigorous prosecution must now be pursued.&#8221;?

But serious question, how is a community supposed to feel any fair investigation is being conducted if they are also saying, at the same time, they are fully behind prosecution. I just don't get that.

 

[reedus23]

This photo is going to go over very well with the MB crowd...NOT!!! :scared:

Should it?

If your significant other was killed by John Doe, would you want John Doe's family investigating if John Doe did anything wrong? Would it make you feel better if, during that investigation of John Doe, John Doe's family were wearing shirts saying they are fully behind John Doe? I'm not begrudging them the right to show support but I can understand why some would have no faith in a system set up this way. I just think the system needs to be changed. I wouldn't mind some sort of special committee that investigates all officer involved shootings that includes citizens of the community. I'm sure it has it's pitfalls and I don't claim to have thought the whole process out, but the system as is seems wrong.

 

[reedus23]

It's gone far past a "protest", imo. A peaceful protest is one in which no one or nothing is harmed, and hopefully brings about reasonable discussion and change.

Imo, I think many tactics we have seen are baiting, detracting, and some are downright ridiculous- taking credibility away from the ones who actually have legitimate grievances.

I think the idea of protests are that reasonable discussions have gotten us no where. Just my take and I'm surely in the minority.

 

[LambChop]

Now I am confused. Do we even know that the officer cursed at DJ and MB to move to the sidewalk?

 

[Apollo]

First paragraph...I will again use my hypothetical. If I walk up to a cop, punch him in the face and lay down in the street with my arms spread wide, hands open, showing I have no weapon and surrendering to arrest, that cop has no right to shoot me under the law. I completely understand that this is an extreme example but I don't know how else to get my point across that MB could have been a sole instigator and and felon and sucker punched DW, but if he had surrendered himself to arrest prior to those fatal shots, there is no justification because the use of deadly force was not immediately necessary to effect the arrest. That is not condoning MB's actions at all. I hardly believe MB is a saint. But if an arrest was able to be effectuated without the use of deadly force, it doesn't matter how gross or how wrong MB's actions were previously, he should have been arrested.

Please tell me where I said anything that remotely said the cop deserved to be assaulted? If I said that, I will apologize. Do I think the cop was rude? Probably by my definition of rude, but maybe he needed to be or maybe that isn't considered rude by others. But that doesn't come anywhere near saying it warrants someone assaulting an officer.

I think either I haven't been clear in my position or you are misunderstanding or misstating my position.

I understand what you're saying but here's the problem I have with your analogy: In your hypothetical, the person is lying down in the street, arms spread, obviously no weapon and is not resisiting. He is not in motion. MB continued to be in motion. Was he going to try to get away? Grab a bystander? Come back and assault OW? Reach in his pants and grab a weapon? OW had no idea what he was going to do next because he was still in motion. The person in your hypothetical was not. I see that as a big difference.

 

[reedus23]

seems to be a matter of double standard

I'll be the first to admit that I think the system, as is, is messed up. Take the investigation completely out of their hands. Give it to the Feds completely. Give it to the State at a minimum. Give it to a special committee used to investigate officer involved cases. If you take the case out of their hands, then I have no problem whatsoever in the County cops saying they are fully behind Wilson.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Anyone feeling sympathy for DJ after today's WaPo lovefest should visit the Treepers for an updated dose of reality.

What is treepers?


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