MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[Lovejac]

Link to where people are saying this, please! Thanks.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ant_amnesty_for_nonviolent_bench_warrants.php

 

[Truthy]

That's quite scary!

IMO, a LOT of this could have been prevented if the media would have countered immediately that "a young man (MB, 18 years old) was shot by a police officer after assaulting him, trying to take his gun and trying to attack/bum rush him again after MB had committed a strong-armed robbery just minutes ago".

All those things were known from the start! It would have put this whole situation into perspective why MB was shot by ODW.

Instead of the catchy headline: Two black boys walk down the street and one unarmed black boy was 'murdered/executed/slaughtered - shot in the back - in broad daylight.

Those are two VERY different accounts of what happened that day. Why not put the truth out right away? Instead of letting things get so out of hand by the catchy headline, especially, as so many people seem to NOT follow up on the case to find out what really happened. But keep going on and on with that initial "story".

JMO.

ETA: This post is not directed at you, Klood-N, just some thoughts in general.

Indeed- it is very disturbing that the police chief sat on that info for so long. Very irresponsible of him, IMHO.

I think it will be interesting to find out the details of how and why all that happened.

 

[Klood-N]

Actually, even unaltered weed can have harmful effects on teens and their mental well-being, particularly if used regularly. See Linda's post, and I'll bring more links later.

I don't know how to grab Linda's links and put them here too, so here's some.

Marijuana is potentially addictive, proven to contribute to fatal motor-vehicle crashes, and can disrupt the brain function and learning of young users, says Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Pot also appears to affect brain development in young users. Scans have shown that teenage pot users suffer from decreased brain activity and impaired connectivity between key brain areas, Volkow said.

"During adolescence, there is a tremendous amount of neuroplasticity," she said. "Regular use of marijuana is likely to have an adverse effect on the way the human brain gets connected and organized."

This may explain why frequent use by teens is linked to lower IQ and higher odds of dropping out of school, the report noted.

Volkow said other research has shown marijuana can:

Serve as a "gateway" drug.
Impair school performance.
Exacerbate mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.
Increase the risk of health problems such as chronic bronchitis and cardiovascular disease.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marijuana-isnt-harmless-top-health-official-says/


Evidence is mounting that regular marijuana use increases the chance that a teenager will develop psychosis, a pattern of unusual thoughts or perceptions, such as believing the television is transmitting secret messages. It also increases the risk of developing schizophrenia, a disabling brain disorder that not only causes psychosis, but also problems concentrating and loss of emotional expression.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...or-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

There's also a condition called depersonalization/derealization disorder that can be elicited by pot use. See google as there's tons of info about it.


So, the tox screen results and juvenile record could provide clues as to why Michael made the choices he did that day.

 

[Tawny]

The length marijuana stays in your system is relative to how often you ingest it. A clean system with no prior MJ will only take 2-3 days before it's out of the system. But if you smoke it more often, more than once a week or so, it will stay in your system up to 30+ days. Habitual smokers basically live with MJ in their systems at all times.

 

[Truthy]

http://fox2now.com/2014/07/23/traffic-warrant-ticket-amnesty-program-promises-clean-records/

"The annual Better Family Life “St. Louis Metropolitan Area Amnesty Project” is scheduled for early August. Three sessions, one at each of the three St. Louis Community College campuses, will give thousands a chance to get a voucher they can take to city, municipal or county courts in St. Louis City, St. Louis County and St. Charles County. James Clark of Better Family Life says the program gives people a “non-threatening way to re-engage the courts without the fear of being arrested and having to post bond. Clark points to past success stories from previous years. “We have individuals who are now able to become gainfully employed,” Clark explained because they cleared up small infractions of the law. The vouchers cost $10 for processing. Offenders will need to take the voucher and one hundred dollars bond to the court to secure a new court date. Frequently the one hundred dollars will cover the fines and court costs for numerous violations."

That is amazing- imagine how many needy people are shut out from gainful employment because an unaffordable traffic ticket becomes a warrant. Wow. So many people here have talked about bailing out their kids and nephews, it's good to hear that people without so much support can ALSO get a second chance. Thanks!

 

[Lovejac]

I am now 61 and not in that position, AT THIS TIME.

But I hAVE BEEN THERE. I know EXACTLY what that is like. Should we buy food or pay the electric? But I also knew that I did not want to be locked up. So tickets were on the front burner. You can do all kinds of things to get them cleared up. Payment plans, community service.

When we were going through our poor times, as newlyweds, it was tough. But do you know what we DIDN'T DO? We didnt go on and have 4 or 5 kids while we were so broke. We did not have any kids until we were married for several years, until we both had steady jobs.

Don't you know that you could have used that as an excuse to not be responsible?

 

[Truthy]

A profile is all about a difference in standards. Police rarely stop someone going 4 mph over the speed limit, but if you fit the profile you will get stopped. Police rarely search stopped cars for drugs, but if you fit the profile count on spending a extra hour standing on the side of the road while they paw through your stuff. The air freshener or graduation tassel hanging on you mirror turns into a ticket for obstructed vision ticket when you fit the profile. A burned out taillight that normally merits a polite stop to inform the driver turns into a defective vehicle ticket.

I just saw an interesting article about profiling for profit. Some LEOs have hired consulting agencies that help them target for maximum profit outcomes- often seizing property when no crime was committed! Scandalous, IMHO.

Will find the link and add here.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10-story.html#page=1

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/61...dreds-of-millions-of-dollars-from-drivers-and

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10-story.html#page=1

 

[Klood-N]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

http://psychcentral.com/lib/cannabis-may-cause-schizophrenia-like-brain-changes/00012781

http://m.livescience.com/17707-marijuana-thc-brain-psychosis.html

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Here was Linda's information.

 

[Oceans]

Indeed- it is very disturbing that the police chief sat on that info for so long. Very irresponsible of him, IMHO.

I think it will be interesting to find out the details of how and why all that happened.

I was not talking about the police chief. I was talking about the media.

I don't believe the police chief put out that catchy headline. The media did.

Isn't it called sensationalism?

JMO

 

[reedus23]

You don't need a check to pay by mail. You can get a cashiers check. And you can pay online by going to the library. Sure it is stressful. But we need to register our cars, have valid drivers licenses and be insured. Society needs that. It is not a civil rights issue , imo.

How the laws are enforced can most definitely be a civil rights issue. Not the underlying laws themselves, though I certainly think some of those need to be revisited as well but that's a whole different conversation for a completely different thread.

 

[Oceans]

I don't know how to grab Linda's links and put them here too....

O/T: You could copy and paste Linda's post and put it into brackets like this:

Linda's post (don't leave a space after the [ and the /) [ /quote]

Hope that helps.

 

[sonjay]

Hm. Affluenza, do you mean?

The concept of "affluenza" is an abomination that should never have seen the light of day.

Now, please enlighten me as to what it has to do with this case or with my post?

 

[human]

Here was Linda's information.

I am not and have never been a drug user of any kind and that includes alcohol.

We are in deep doo doo because I imagine every state in the union is going to have legal MJ.

 

[Klood-N]

I was not talking about the police chief. I was talking about the media.

I don't believe the police chief put out that catchy headline. The media did.

Isn't it called sensationalism?

JMO

Didn't Piaget say she called the media to come? And it appeared that the Black Panthers and Anthony Shahid who refers to himself as an agitator were on scene fast that day. I think the media became a tool to foment outrage whether intentionally or not. I'm glad people have found outlets for facts and information when many in the media became too invested in the narrative to research.

 

[reedus23]

I have to admit, I don't smoke cigars or cigarillos or pot!

Anyway, I thought those were cigars are it was mentioned in the police report, priced at approx. $50.

I googled Sisher Sweets and found out that there are cigars and cigarillos under that brandname. There are boxes at approx. that price, it seems the difference is the quantity: cigars seem to be more expensive than cigarillos. Here is a link for those interested:

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/cigars/12524/swisher-sweets/

I suppose it could have been, but it sure didn't look like what he grabbed was 50 to 100 cigars. That was my first thought when they said they were swisher-sweets....there's no way they're $50. Those things are cheap. I guess if he snagged 50 plus it can add up to that amount though.

 

[reedus23]

Those type of injuries don't typically show up until an hour or so later. It takes awhile for bruising to appear. Swelling may take a bit of time too. And he probably felt little pain due to the shock.

I was hit in the eye and face during a pinata incident---:doh:----and it didn't start swelling for over an hour. Bruising took several hours.

If the doctors come on and state as much, I will weigh that because I'm sure different doctors would provide differing opinions. I can only speak from my own experience. If I get hit in the face hard enough to break a bone, I have instant swelling and redness at a minimum. Heck, my son got hit in the eye with a baseball not all that hard and it looked nasty immediately. So much so I took him out of the game. Heck, he couldn't see out of that eye to see anyways because it swelled shut immediately.

 

[human]

So poverty striken people can suffer from Affluenza, too?

Who knew.

Huh?

The reply was to getting rid of laws.

They seem to be gone for those of affluenza who can kill while drunk driving or sexually abuse children.

Not wearing a seatbelt is in the same category?

 

[tlcya]

Actually, even unaltered weed can have harmful effects on teens and their mental well-being, particularly if used regularly. See Linda's post, and I'll bring more links later.

Yes, I forgot that the weed of my youth is not the same as the weed of now. Apparently its much more potent stuff nowadays. Sorry, not thinking very fast on my feet today I am on drugs of the prescribed variety and the make me slow and foggy ATM.

 

[Klood-N]

If the doctors come on and state as much, I will weigh that because I'm sure different doctors would provide differing opinions. I can only speak from my own experience. If I get hit in the face hard enough to break a bone, I have instant swelling and redness at a minimum. Heck, my son got hit in the eye with a baseball not all that hard and it looked nasty immediately. So much so I took him out of the game. Heck, he couldn't see out of that eye to see anyways because it swelled shut immediately.

Are you saying you don't believe the officer was injured?

 

[Klood-N]

Yes, I forgot that the weed of my youth is not the same as the weed of now. Apparently its much more potent stuff nowadays. Sorry, not thinking very fast on my feet today I am on drugs of the prescribed variety and the make me slow and foggy ATM.

No sorry needed. I hope you feel better.