MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #17

[gramcracker]

that meeting reminded of The Cosby Show ep when Dad sat Theo down and, using monopoly money, showed him just how far his lack of knowledge and common sense would(n't) take him in the real world of responsibility and accountability. way too many of these folks appear to have an inflated sense of their importance and nothing to back it up. all hat and no cattle comes to mind. it boggles my mind that they have decided the new agenda is about their lives and futures being ruled and determined by driving without registration and insurance, warrants, fines, fees, positive drug tests and negative background checks. "nothin' up my sleeve." and then, to further insult my intelligence, they refuse to see and admit that every bit of that relates to how they choose to conduct themselves and how they choose to raise the next generation(s). I have zero sympathy for a majority demographic that complains to high heaven while not trying to improve their community by getting involved and organizing and voting. I have had it Up To Here with the old, tired, worn-out platitudes re injustice(s). evidently the Victim Card is a precious possession which needs to be tightly gripped because the alternative requires morals, standards, ethics, effort and fortitude. the mindset evidenced by the criminally inclined in F'son is Not what the Freedom Riders and numerous other heroes in the civil rights movement had in mind when they put their lives on the line by standing up for things which were necessary, valid and long overdue. James Chaney (black), Andrew Goodman (white) and Michael Schwerner (white) must be spinning in their graves. I wonder how many or how few in F'son even know about or remember those brave men? pffftt!

all ^ IMO

On Memorial Day in 1964, Schwerner and Chaney spoke to the congregation at Mount Zion Methodist Church in Longdale, Mississippi; their speech was about setting up a Freedom School. Schwerner implored them to register to vote, saying, "you have been slaves too long, we can help you help yourselves".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

 

[gramcracker]

uh oh. re Let My People Vote: I wonder if this is next on the amnesty agenda?

Missouri - People in prison, on parole and on probation cannot vote. People with felony convictions can vote upon completion of sentence.

https://www.aclu.org/maps/map-state-criminal-disfranchisement-laws

 

[Angelonline]

Here is why they say "let my people vote" :


NO PHOTO NO VOTO
Will you be voting in PA, IN, FL, TN, MI, SD, MS, ID, LA, KS, NH, or GA? Then as of right now, you need a valid photo ID to vote this year.



So the people are upset that one needs a picture ID to vote as they say it is white/right wing peoples way of preventing blacks or poor people from voting. Which I think is silly. Here are the available options:

ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF VOTER ID:
Identification issued by the state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority of the state
Identification issued by the United States government or agency thereof
Identification issued by an institution of higher education, including a university, college, vocational and technical school, located within the state of Missouri
A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or other government document that contains the name and address of the voter
Driver's license or state identification card issued by another state
If you do not possess any of these forms of identification, you may still cast a ballot if two supervising election judges, one from each major political party, attest they know you.

Your list did not include Missouri (MO) however it does appear they have voter ID, here is the link to the MO Secretary of State office:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/goVoteMissouri/howtovote.aspx

 

[dandy]

perhaps i'm putting the wrong words into google, but i've not been able to find an "effective" citizen review board.

nyc has a crb, but after 20 yrs there's still problems - st. louis county does have one. ferguson's in for a long ride if they think this will be a solution. imo

here's the link to st. louis county commendation & complaints: http://www.stlouisco.com/LawandPublicSafety/PoliceDepartment/CommendationsandComplaints

edit - forgot to add - the person i felt bad for last nite was the person responsible for recording the minutes of the meeting.

 

[Apollo]

Ferguson was recently featured on FOX 2 and the coverage is archived for your viewing. Stop on by for a visit....you will stay!

http://www.homefinder.com/MO/Ferguson/207-Tiffin-Avenue-108002633d

House for sale in Ferguson. Realtor should edit ad, it's been listed for 114 days and I doubt MB coverage is what they are talking about.

I noticed in the local stats section it states the population of Ferguson is 18,500.

 

[Elley Mae]

When I filed #MichaelBrown lawsuit a public official told me #EricHolder would never permit the records to be released.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckCJohnson/status/509503665690796032

This I do believe. And it's why I believe the video was released when it was. Because if it had not been released when it was, we would have never seen it. jmo idk

 

[sonjay]

uh oh. re Let My People Vote: I wonder if this is next on the amnesty agenda?

Missouri - People in prison, on parole and on probation cannot vote. People with felony convictions can vote upon completion of sentence.

https://www.aclu.org/maps/map-state-criminal-disfranchisement-laws

I've seen that brought up, in other contexts. Yep, that's coming. Eric Holder himself has called for restoration of felon voting rights. It's an important civil rights issue, because felon status is one of those immutable characteristics that people have no control over, like color of skin, ethnicity, or gender.

Missouri is toward the "enlightened" end of that scale, though, as that state allows felons to vote after they've completed their sentence. I guess they're not enlightened enough, though.

 

[Elley Mae]

perhaps i'm putting the wrong words into google, but i've not been able to find an "effective" citizen review board.

nyc has a crb, but after 20 yrs there's still problems - st. louis county does have one. ferguson's in for a long ride if they think this will be a solution. imo

here's the link to st. louis county commendation & complaints: http://www.stlouisco.com/LawandPublicSafety/PoliceDepartment/CommendationsandComplaints

edit - forgot to add - the person i felt bad for last nite was the person responsible for recording the minutes of the meeting.

bbm, I wonder if the minutes will be posted/recorded to read at some point.

 

[Trident]

I've seen that brought up, in other contexts. Yep, that's coming. Eric Holder himself has called for restoration of felon voting rights. It's an important civil rights issue, because felon status is one of those immutable characteristics that people have no control over, like color of skin, ethnicity, or gender.

Missouri is toward the "enlightened" end of that scale, though, as that state allows felons to vote after they've completed their sentence. I guess they're not enlightened enough, though.

Well, if a large portion of your voter base is in prison. . .

 

[dandy]

bbm, I wonder if the minutes will be posted/recorded to read at some point.

it appears there's a 2 month lag = pretty standard:

http://www.fergusoncity.com/AgendaCenter

 

[popsicle]

Your list did not include Missouri (MO) however it does appear they have voter ID, here is the link to the MO Secretary of State office:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/goVoteMissouri/howtovote.aspx

Yes and VA does too http://sbe.virginia.gov/index.php/casting-a-ballot/in-person-voting/

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Protesters seeking justice for Michael Brown plan to block I-70 Wednesday afternoon[/h]

Protesters who are seeking justice for Michale Brown plan to block I-70 Wednesday afternoon. Organizers are calling this an act of civil disobedience. The shutdown is set to take place at Hanley Road and I-70 at 4:30pm. A rally is set to begin at 3pm.

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/10/prote...brown-plan-to-block-i-70-wednesday-afternoon/

 

[jjenny]

BBM irritates me no end. In this day and age, idk how anyone gets by without a photo ID. There is absolutely no excuse for failing to obtain an ID that would ensure one's ability to vote, unless of course you want an excuse. It's all about priorities IMO.

I find it ironic that last night we heard many Furgeson residents claim they are being unfairly profiled, and ticketed. Numerous articles have been written outlining these "glaring" discrepancies, using seemingly damning stats to prove this point. Yet all those people can't vote b/c "No photo, no voto" is the white man's way of depriving them their right to do so.

You can't have it both ways. You can not cry foul over the requirement to have a photo ID to vote, and then also complain that the very thing you claim is such a hardship to obtain is something you utilize everyday.

What's even more disingenuous about "let my people vote" is the fact that in the state of Missouri the price for a non-driver photo ID is $11.00.........$11.00!!!!!!!!! Ugggghhhh finding that out has me pretty peeved tbh. If people can't be bothered to take even the smallest of steps toward bettering themselves, and their communities then how the hell are they going to tackle bigger issues?

:gaah:

http://www.dmv.org/mo-missouri/id-cards.php

I am not exactly sure why we are talking about voting here, but the voter ID laws are restricting and not fair.
In TX, for instance, requirement is that the name on the ID matches exactly with the voting roll records. A lot of people don't match. Including the very same AG Abbott who supported the voter ID law. He had differences between his driver's license and voter records. A lot of elderly don't have drivers' licenses anymore. And there is no evidence that there was a lot of voter fraud. So I am not sure what problem these voter ID laws are supposed to fix.

 

[sonjay]

I am not exactly sure why we are talking about voting here, but the voter ID laws are restricting and not fair.

All voter ID laws?

In TX, for instance, requirement is that the name on the ID matches exactly with the voting roll records.

Is that a requirement in MO?

Is that why very few black people in Ferguson vote?

Does anyone honestly think that the voter registration requirements and process are what that meeting was about? Does anyone honestly think that voter registration requirements are at the root of Ferguson's problems?

 

[jjenny]

Photo voter ID cards are FREE in VA and yet this is seen as a way to suppress the minority, elderly and poor vote.

A lot of elderly don't have driver's licenses anymore. So they have to go obtain IDs, and for them it's hard to wait in line, etc. So yes, it does suppress the vote.

 

[sonjay]

Photo voter ID cards are FREE in VA and yet this is seen as a way to suppress the minority, elderly and poor vote.

That entire line of thinking just peeves me off no end. The idea behind it is that the group in question has the mental capacity and cognitive functioning of a 2-year-old and is therefore unable to navigate the super-duper complex process of registering to vote. It's racism, age-ism and poor-ism in the worst way.

You wanna do an adult thing like vote? Then act like an adult and register, like adults do.

 

[jjenny]

That entire line of thinking just peeves me off no end. The idea behind it is that the group in question has the mental capacity and cognitive functioning of a 2-year-old and is therefore unable to navigate the super-duper complex process of registering to vote. It's racism, age-ism and poor-ism in the worst way.

You wanna do an adult thing like vote? Then act like an adult and register, like adults do.

What? The voters are already registered. That's not an issue, is it? The issue is they are required to produce a photo ID. It does place unfair burden on some groups, such as elderly, because a lot of them don't drive so they have expired licenses (which are not accepted, as an ID has to be unexpired).

 

[bettybaby00]

I am not exactly sure why we are talking about voting here, but the voter ID laws are restricting and not fair.
In TX, for instance, requirement is that the name on the ID matches exactly with the voting roll records. A lot of people don't match. Including the very same AG Abbott who supported the voter ID law. He had differences between his driver's license and voter records.

we're talking about voting b/c the discussion evolved?

I don't get the argument that it's restricting or unfair. What is so difficult about obtaining a photo ID? What happened when Texans received information about the new regulation(s)? Did they all figure it didn't apply to them?

 

[Trident]

A lot of elderly don't have driver's licenses anymore. So they have to go obtain IDs, and for them it's hard to wait in line, etc. So yes, it does suppress the vote.

I'm elderly, I have heart disease, I have lung disease. I also keep up my drivers license and do my own shopping. Poor me.

 

[jjenny]

we're talking about voting b/c the discussion evolved?

I don't get the argument that it's restricting or unfair. What is so difficult about obtaining a photo ID? What happened when Texans received information about the new regulation(s)? Did they all figure it didn't apply to them?

What's so difficult? Have you tried getting it recently? In some places you have to wait hours in line to get an ID. If you are elderly, it's physically exhausting.
And you might have no means of even getting to an ID place if you don't drive. As many elderly don't.