MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #17

[sonjay]

A lot of elderly don't have driver's licenses anymore. So they have to go obtain IDs, and for them it's hard to wait in line, etc. So yes, it does suppress the vote.

The elderly have the highest voter turnout rate of any age group.

 

[sonjay]

What? The voters are already registered. That's not an issue, is it? The issue is they are required to produce a photo ID. It does place unfair burden on some groups, such as elderly, because a lot of them don't drive so they have expired licenses (which are not accepted, as an ID has to be unexpired).

Can you provide a link relating to what percentage of the elderly are unable to vote because they don't have a photo ID? Can you give any links to how this affects the black voter participation rate in Ferguson?

 

[reedus23]

[h=1]Protesters seeking justice for Michael Brown plan to block I-70 Wednesday afternoon[/h]

Protesters who are seeking justice for Michale Brown plan to block I-70 Wednesday afternoon. Organizers are calling this an act of civil disobedience. The shutdown is set to take place at Hanley Road and I-70 at 4:30pm. A rally is set to begin at 3pm.

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/10/prote...brown-plan-to-block-i-70-wednesday-afternoon/

Gonna be a wet one then. Supposed to rain pretty good all day today.

 

[Elley Mae]

Gonna be a wet one then. Supposed to rain pretty good all day today.

Looks gloomy here, probably goin rain

 

[sonjay]

What's so difficult? Have you tried getting it recently? In some places you have to wait hours in line to get an ID. If you are elderly, it's physically exhausting.
And you might have no means of even getting to an ID place if you don't drive. As many elderly don't.

Are you really seriously asserting that some significant percentage of elderly people don't have photo IDs? And that those people would vote, if only they had a photo ID?

 

[Klood-N]

This I do believe. And it's why I believe the video was released when it was. Because if it had not been released when it was, we would have never seen it. jmo idk

I agree. And think that took courage. And how amazing is it that in this situation, it requires courage to release information and let the truth be known?!

 

[jjenny]

Can you provide a link relating to what percentage of the elderly are unable to vote because they don't have a photo ID? Can you give any links to how this affects the black voter participation rate in Ferguson?

"Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found. Most people prove their eligibility to vote with a driver's license, but people over 65 often give up their license and don't replace it with the state-issued ID that some states offer non-driving residents. People over 65 also are more likely to lack birth certificates because they were born before recording births was standard procedure."

http://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html

 

[bettybaby00]

What? The voters are already registered. That's not an issue, is it? The issue is they are required to produce a photo ID. It does place unfair burden on some groups, such as elderly, because a lot of them don't drive so they have expired licenses (which are not accepted, as an ID has to be unexpired).

C'mon.

From the link I posted previously...

Missouri ID Card Expiration
69 years old or younger: Valid for 6 years (expires on your birthday).
70 years old or older: No expiration date.

I know older people sometimes face difficulty getting things done/taken care of but "if there's a will, there's a way." Complaining about long lines is an excuse.

Finding a new regulation annoying or troublesome is not the same as asserting that a new regulation unfairly denies you something.

 

[jjenny]

Are you really seriously asserting that some significant percentage of elderly people don't have photo IDs? And that those people would vote, if only they had a photo ID?

Absolutely. I have no doubt on this whatsoever. It's a well known fact that large number of elderly don't have an ID, as their licenses expired and they didn't get photos IDs.

Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found. Most people prove their eligibility to vote with a driver's license, but people over 65 often give up their license and don't replace it with the state-issued ID that some states offer non-driving residents. People over 65 also are more likely to lack birth certificates because they were born before recording births was standard procedure.
http://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html

 

[Trident]

I agree. And think that took courage. And how amazing is it that in this situation, it requires courage to release information and let the truth be known?!

I agree it took courage to let the truth out there. I wonder why that should be? This is still America, isn't it? Well, maybe not the America we knew, as a once great country, but thank God there are still people out there with cajones.

 

[Elley Mae]

Crime Commissioner responds to his e-mail about possibly burning Ferguson City Hall


The conversation is contained in a 38 page email sent to all St. Louis Media. It’s titled ‘Civil Disobedience Shutdown of Interstate 70,’ then this comment ‘Anything short of arresting that White cop for murder is an insult to Black people and Ferguson city Hall and Police department needs to burn to the ground!!!’

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/09/crime...il-about-possibly-burning-ferguson-city-hall/


He added, ‘The African American community has a right to feel the way they feel based on their experience.’


So there.

 

[jjenny]

Missouri Voter ID Laws

When you visit the polling booth on the day of the election, you must present 1 document to prove your identity, such as your:

Missouri driver’s license or non-driver ID card.
U.S. passport.
A copy of your current utility bill, bank statement, or paycheck.

But the law MO is trying to pass would require a PHOTO ID. Not just bill or paycheck.

"The Missouri House on Thursday approved measures to require photo identification, but the changes to the state’s constitution require approval by voters. Senate President Pro Tem Tom Dempsey, R-St. Charles, said he would like to put the issue to a vote of the people."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_a552b57a-bed4-5f46-8fcc-d0a9e7b8bfa1.html

 

[popsicle]

Gonna be a wet one then. Supposed to rain pretty good all day today.

I don't even think they care. Are they stopping it on foot or also with vehicles, anyone know?

 

[sonjay]

What? The voters are already registered. That's not an issue, is it? The issue is they are required to produce a photo ID.

In Missouri: Or a bank statement. Or a utility bill. Or a paycheck. Or a government check. Or another government document that contains the name and address of the voter.

 

[jjenny]

In Missouri: Or a bank statement. Or a utility bill. Or a paycheck. Or a government check. Or another government document that contains the name and address of the voter.

Again, the new law would require a photo ID.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_a552b57a-bed4-5f46-8fcc-d0a9e7b8bfa1.html

 

[Trident]

"Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found. Most people prove their eligibility to vote with a driver's license, but people over 65 often give up their license and don't replace it with the state-issued ID that some states offer non-driving residents. People over 65 also are more likely to lack birth certificates because they were born before recording births was standard procedure."

http://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html

Hate to burst any bubbles here, but it isn't that hard to either keep up the license, or get a state-issued ID. "I" had to get a new birth certificate myself because of new laws. Guess what? I did it. Am I a lesser person because I do take responsibility and do for myself? I will not give these "oldsters" a free pass. If I can do it, anyone can.

:cow:

 

[sonjay]

"Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found. Most people prove their eligibility to vote with a driver's license, but people over 65 often give up their license and don't replace it with the state-issued ID that some states offer non-driving residents. People over 65 also are more likely to lack birth certificates because they were born before recording births was standard procedure."

http://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html

I don't see anything in that article about how many elderly people want to vote but are unable to because of lack of photo ID. Nor do I see anything about how the Missouri ID requirements affect black voter participation in Ferguson.

 

[jjenny]

Hate to burst any bubbles here, but it isn't that hard to either keep up the license, or get a state-issued ID. "I" had to get a new birth certificate myself because of new laws. Guess what? I did it. Am I a lesser person because I do take responsibility and do for myself? I will not give these "oldsters" a free pass. If I can do it, anyone can.

:cow:

Not everybody has the same capabilities you do. Some people are in nursing homes and wheelchair bound. Requiring them to wait for hours in line to get a photo ID seems ludicrous to me.
Especially considering there is no evidence of any widespread voter fraud, these voter ID laws are designed to do what, exactly?
Fix something that doesn't need fixing?

 

[reedus23]

All voter ID laws?



Is that a requirement in MO?

Is that why very few black people in Ferguson vote?

Does anyone honestly think that the voter registration requirements and process are what that meeting was about? Does anyone honestly think that voter registration requirements are at the root of Ferguson's problems?

I don't know nearly enough about voter registration requirements, so I'm pretty much just accepting what has been stated as accurate. Working off of that basis, while I don't think that voting rights in and of itself was what that meeting was about, I can understand (again, whether I agree or not) how such an issue, along with some of the other issues, are part of what some may perceive as institutional racism, wherein no one individual may be racist but certain laws, enforcement of those laws and so forth can work to oppress one segment of society more so than another.

Another possible positive out of the meeting - maybe, just maybe, some residents of Ferguson became educated about the system and how to make changes while working within it. Maybe they learned that only 2 minorities have run for office. Maybe they learned that to make a change, they have to register to vote. Maybe they will actually vote. Maybe in a year from now instead of 9 out of 10 people on that stage being white, maybe 3 out of 10 will be. The people of Ferguson do have some blame for allowing things to get to where they are and maybe that will change now.

 

[sonjay]

Absolutely. I have no doubt on this whatsoever. It's a well known fact that large number of elderly don't have an ID, as their licenses expired and they didn't get photos IDs.

It's also a well-known fact that the elderly have the highest voter participation rate of all age groups. Can you provide a link to any data on how many elderly people want to vote but are unable to because they lack a photo ID?