MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[MyBelle]

O/T

I have to admit I've been texting this to everyone! :loveyou:

LOL. I just sent it to my daughter who had a root canal today.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is their world. This is the way they talk whether we agree with it or not. It is a big part of the problem because no adult corrects them, or tells them "this is not appropriate". As far as jumping off a bridge, they'd have an answer for you on that one, too. There is a total lack of respect for anyone. Sadly, even themselves. Everything starts with the parents. If you don't do your job right, it will end with LE more times than not. jmo

I totally agree.
As I've said before my son is mixed, looks AA and has friends of every shade and nationality. He has AA friends that use the "N" word, like so many black youth do today.
I do not tolerate it. They get a history lesson from me, and a warning, I better not hear it again.
I think it's beyond disgusting and disrespectful to all of those that have suffered and paved the way to remove that word from the lips of every good decent human being. It diminishes the meaning, the suffering and the struggle. It's a slap in the face to those that fought so hard for equality and respect.

All IMO




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[Oceans]

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My house... It's the other way around....that cat will not give up the dogs tail...dog too scared to move.


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OMG! That is too cute! :loveyou:

The look of the cat at the dog's tail tip: 'Is there a mouse in there?'
The look of the dog: 'Don't move! Maybe she will not bite of off!' LOL

 

[Linda7NJ]

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The only way a dead person can stagger forward 25 feet after they are dead would be if they had plenty of forward motion...enough forward motion to also counter the force of several gunshot wounds.

Unless of course, it's the .....
Zombie Apocalypse


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[MyBelle]

I'm going to have to snip this right here. We're not talking about a juvenile adjudication. MB was an adult. Juvenile adjudications (trials) are handled differently than trials for adults. (You can check the first sentence of the article you linked to get a better sense of the context.) The digitalcommons article you linked was about juvenile trials, not adult trials.

As for your Cornell link -- yes, criminal records can be introduced to impeach a witness. But in this case, MB cannot testify, so he cannot provide any testimony to be impeached.

an investigative grand jury isn't a trial. The prosecutor can give the grand jury whatever it wants and he wants to give them. They also have subpoena power.

 

[bettybaby00]

LOL. I just sent it to my daughter who had a root canal today.

Aww I hope she feels better!

 

[Linda7NJ]

his criminal record would certainly be available to an investigative grand jury because the officer was assaulted and sustained an injury that was attended at a hospital. If there is anything in his record that shows violence, I think that is very relevant information to help their conclusion as to whether the shooting was justified.

JMO

IMO it's irrelevant.
Unless Officer Wilson was aware of Browns history of aggression toward a law enforcement officer on August 9th. IMO


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[MyBelle]

Absolutely! To see if there are any similarities from MB's past.

If the Grand Jury is allowed to follow the case in the media, they might be aware that a suit had been filed to make those juvenile records public. But it had been denied by the judge. All this secrecy would make me more curious if I were on the GJ. According to the motto: if you have nothing to hide... JMO.

The prosecutor has already promised that if the GJ fails to indict, he will ask a court to order the release of EVERYTHING the GJ saw and heard.

McCulloch has told reporters he plans to have his staff present every scrap of evidence about the Brown case to the grand jury. He also pledged to seek a court order to open the evidence if Wilson is not indicted.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f0c885c8-0e6b-532f-a6b6-0dc663b85d96.html

 

[MyBelle]

IMO it's irrelevant.
Unless Officer Wilson was aware of Browns history of aggression toward a law enforcement officer on August 9th. IMO


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It's relevant because he was under the influence of drugs at the time. He ignored a police directive to get out of the street and assaulted a police officer. Past behavior is considered to be a predictor of future behavior. And the GJ has subpoena power so they can get at just about anything or anyone they want.

 

[DebinGA]

an investigative grand jury isn't a trial. The prosecutor can give the grand jury whatever it wants and he wants to give them. They also have subpoena power.

I'd like to see his high school discipline records from all 4 schools.

 

[TheDuchess]

It's relevant because he was under the influence of drugs at the time. He ignored a police directive to get out of the street and assaulted a police officer. Past behavior is considered to be a predictor of future behavior. And the GJ has subpoena power so they can get at just about anything or anyone they want.

If I was on the GJ and another member wasn't convinced of OWs innocence because they felt that it didn't make sense for MB to be so violent and perhaps didn't buy the fact that MB was the aggressor in the situation, i.e. they bought DJs story that OW instigated the fight and tried pulling him into the car and MB was just defending himself and then chased him down to shoot him in the street, and they bought into the narrative of the Gentle Giant...I might want to ask for his records to help convince them otherwise...that is if the store video doesn't cut it.

 

[katydid23]

IMO it's irrelevant.
Unless Officer Wilson was aware of Browns history of aggression toward a law enforcement officer on August 9th. IMO


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I think it is relevant if it shows he had some kind of gang affiliations. If so, that would explain a lot about his behavior on the day he died. imo

 

[Oceans]

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The only way a dead person can stagger forward 25 feet after they are dead would be if they had plenty of forward motion...enough forward motion to also counter the force of several gunshot wounds.

On ice. Not on asphalt, IMO.

 

[Oceans]

LOL, I know. I posted the link. All I was saying is that the landscaper saying it was 50 yards is way better than the MSM saying it was 50 feet. I don't think they saw much at all.

Gotcha!

 

[MyBelle]

If I was on the GJ and another member wasn't convinced of OWs innocence because they felt that it didn't make sense for MB to be so violent and perhaps didn't buy the fact that MB was the aggressor in the situation, i.e. they bought DJs story that OW instigated the fight and tried pulling him into the car and MB was just defending himself and then chased him down to shoot him in the street, and they bought into the narrative of the Gentle Giant...I might want to ask for his records to help convince them otherwise...that is if the store video doesn't cut it.

ITA. The Grand Jury are members of the community and the reason they are given subpoena power is so their questions can be answered.

 

[TheDuchess]

http://alfonzorachel.com/

Back to our discussion on Bill O'Reilly earlier...this is a link to the guest.

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[bettybaby00]

http://alfonzorachel.com/

Back to our discussion on Bill O'Reilly earlier...this is a link to the guest.

I just caught the replay...I liked the guy. He definitely made some very valid points. And I had to :giggle: when he said he'll get angry mail about being on O'Rielly's show.

 

[Oceans]

The prosecutor has already promised that if the GJ fails to indict, he will ask a court to order the release of EVERYTHING the GJ saw and heard.

McCulloch has told reporters he plans to have his staff present every scrap of evidence about the Brown case to the grand jury. He also pledged to seek a court order to open the evidence if Wilson is not indicted.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f0c885c8-0e6b-532f-a6b6-0dc663b85d96.html

It's a bit confusing, IMO. I think he is not speaking about MB's juvenile records:

Frank Bowman, a law professor at the University of Missouri, said prosecutors may use grand juries for their power to issue subpoenas. “That’s what is going on here,” he suggested.

McCulloch has told reporters he plans to have his staff present every scrap of evidence about the Brown case to the grand jury. He also pledged to seek a court order to open the evidence if Wilson is not indicted.

Cohen said such a promise may have a chilling effect on witnesses he fears would be “less likely” to testify if they think the information would ultimately go public.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f0c885c8-0e6b-532f-a6b6-0dc663b85d96.html

 

[Klood-N]

IMO, Michael's record is also relevant for one of the many reasons the robbery is: he was aware of it.

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I do know a jurisdiction with a DB of gang involved youth, their affiliation, aliases, known associates, tattoos, vehicles etc.

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I wonder if LE has pieced together Michael's movements for the 24 hours before the strong arm robbery.

 

[bettybaby00]

It's a bit confusing, IMO. I think he is not speaking about MB's juvenile records:

Frank Bowman, a law professor at the University of Missouri, said prosecutors may use grand juries for their power to issue subpoenas. “That’s what is going on here,” he suggested.

McCulloch has told reporters he plans to have his staff present every scrap of evidence about the Brown case to the grand jury. He also pledged to seek a court order to open the evidence if Wilson is not indicted.

Cohen said such a promise may have a chilling effect on witnesses he fears would be “less likely” to testify if they think the information would ultimately go public.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f0c885c8-0e6b-532f-a6b6-0dc663b85d96.html

Also in the article, “In high-profile cases, the prosecutors use the grand jury to seek some cover for their failure to act on their own,” said James Cohen, an associate professor at Fordham University School of Law in New York.

Although the above is true, it's not a statement that should lobbed out there considering the audience it's reaching. IIRC McCulloch has stated that ALL police shootings go before the GJ, yet this statement conveys the message McCulloch is trying to hide behind them. He could very well be doing that, but why add fuel to the fire?

As for the quote you posted, I have to question what he's saying. 1st, wouldn't they be subpoenaed if they weren't willing to testify? And also, whoever is called would already have an official statement on record anyway, so wouldn't the GJ already know what those statements were?