MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

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  • #701
Well, sure. They do the same here. But it's usually only one or a small number, surrounded by an audience that is siding with the police actions. But if you have 500 people in the crowd, and 200 are chanting ' I'm Down, for Mike Brown'---what are a few cops going to do?

They'd need to bring in a larger show of force, which is exactly what the rioters want. The city council is in a lose/lose situation, imo.

If they can't participate in an appropriate manner, they need to go.
I don't care how many officers it takes.
Park the jail transport buses out front ...have the police on standby with their fist full of zip ties.
Either they follow the rules, and participate or be arrested and removed. The choice is theirs.
They should be instructed on the code of conduct before even entering the building and the consequences for disruption.

IMO


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  • #702
the caption under the 1st pic: Mike Mike, as the family called him (pictured with brother Andre, now 7 and sister Deja, now 14) had won a place at college and was told by his mother to 'do what he wanted this summer' as a reward. He chose to stay at his grandmother's house where the aspiring rapper had a makeshift studio

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eo-just-real-Michael-Brown.html#ixzz3DFAqgJxg
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also - this is the 1st time i read he "WON" a place at college - scoured the article & couldn't find another mention of this

Sorry, but either the mom or the paper are lying. He went to school this past summer, there was no doing what he wanted.
 
  • #703
http://www.law-stl.com/Attorney-Profiles/Neil-J-Bruntrager.shtml

When a high-profile individual is forced to address a legal matter in the media spotlight, Neil Bruntrager is often hired to handle the case.

As an assistant circuit attorney, Bruntrager handled hundreds of cases. His three-year tenure taught Bruntrager much about police procedures, the handling of evidence and law enforcement resources. It also gave him an almost daily opportunity to appear before St. Louis judges.

So wishing Olivia Pope was real right about now...
 
  • #704
Can you paraphrase please


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WickedWitchOfGaza‏@Clinton2016Nazi·1 hr
#Ferguson Remember this name "Neil Bruntrager"; He is a RICH #AIPAC STL lawyer; He was hired to make sure #darrenwilson NEVER goes to JAIL.
 
  • #705
WickedWitchOfGaza‏@Clinton2016Nazi·1 hr
#Ferguson Remember this name "Neil Bruntrager"; He is a RICH #AIPAC STL lawyer; He was hired to make sure #darrenwilson NEVER goes to JAIL.

Ummm...of course he was hired to make sure his client never goes to jail. Aren't ALL lawyers hired for that same reason?
 
  • #706
The Post-Dispatch has put out several articles today. I guess Crump's letter was like poking a bee hive or something.
 
  • #707
If they can't participate in an appropriate manner, they need to go.
I don't care how many officers it takes.
Park the jail transport buses out front ...have the police on standby with their fist full of zip ties.
Either they follow the rules, and participate or be arrested and removed. The choice is theirs.
They should be instructed on the code of conduct before even entering the building and the consequences for disruption.

IMO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIY7FOkLdQ8
 
  • #708
The DA's job is to present "evidence" so that the GJ can deterine whether probable cause exists to indict. Normal rules of evidence don't apply and the jurors themselves can ask whatever questions they want and can call their own witnesses.

Other Missouri laws still apply and thus whether the records are even available to the DA depends on the statute. As we've discussed before the statute requires a person claiming a legitimate interest to request a court order granting record access.

211.321. 1. Records of juvenile court proceedings as well as all information obtained and social records prepared in the discharge of official duty for the court shall not be open to inspection or their contents disclosed, except by order of the court to persons having a legitimate interest therein,

The statute also provides for opening the records for certain cases where the person is still a juvenile. But in general, it's about someone needing to request the records be opened for someone having a legitimate interest. I'm in no way a criminal attorney but I just feel doubtful that the DA would ask for these records in this case. But that might just be me. I'm just not sure the DA would want to rely on these records about the victim in any way. But I could be completely wrong here. As I said, it's pretty far outside my area of practice.

Now the robbery evidence, yes. And it certainly may be, that if the officer is indicted his attorney will request the sealed juvenile records. Honestly, the GJ could ask for them, if they were to ask the DA about the criminal background of the victim. Then a court would need to decide if the GJ had a legitimate interest in them.

I think the ADA's presenting the case will focus on the evidence surrounding the event, all witness testimony, including that of the officer, and the physical evidence relevant to the officer's injuries, the interior of the car, the gun, autopsy results. I'm pretty confident there won't be a need for any juvenile records if everyone does their job.

It's always important to remember that, although there are no real rules of evidence for a GJ, prosecutors are still bound by ethical rules, inclduing special ethical rules applicable to them. I feel like this is something else some people in the community and even the press may not be familair with.A prosecutor does not always prosecute.

RULE 4-3.8: SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF A PROSECUTOR

The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(a) refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;
...
(d) make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information known to the prosecutor that tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense and, in connection with sentencing, disclose to the defense and to the tribunal all unprivileged mitigating information known to the prosecutor, except when the prosecutor is relieved of this responsibility by a protective order of the tribunal;...

COMMENT

[1] A prosecutor has the responsibility of a minister of justice and not simply that of an advocate. This responsibility carries with it specific obligations to see that the defendant is accorded procedural justice and that guilt is decided upon the basis of sufficient evidence.....




Yes, yes! I commented earlier that I didn't know if I was being overly cynical, but I felt it was all way too carefully worded. his descriptions of MBs innocence needed a closer look. We were discussing earlier whether or not the GJ having access to this info? Any thoughts on that?

As for the last 1/2 of your post, it's one of the saddest parts of this case. :(
 
  • #709
WickedWitchOfGaza‏@Clinton2016Nazi·1 hr
#Ferguson Remember this name "Neil Bruntrager"; He is a RICH #AIPAC STL lawyer; He was hired to make sure #darrenwilson NEVER goes to JAIL.

Is this twit person saying that NB is Jewish? I can't tell if the tone of this tweet is admiring or disapproving.

At any rate, all the best to NB!
 
  • #710
Is this twit person saying that NB is Jewish? I can't tell if the tone of this tween is admiring or disapproving.

At any rate, all the best to NB!

:hilarious: "twit person"

I'd say the tone is disapproving. All of her other tweets have been in support of MB
 
  • #711
NB mentioned in this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/justice/missouri-shooting-grand-jury/

"Is the process overseen by a judge?

No. As Neil Bruntrager, a criminal defense lawyer and general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officer Association explains, it's just the grand jurors, the prosecutors and the witnesses. That means no judge or defense lawyers.

"The prosecutor simply presents the information that they have," Bruntrager explains."

And here is the CNN story:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/

"Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said."
 
  • #712
  • #713
Is this twit person saying that NB is Jewish? I can't tell if the tone of this tween is admiring or disapproving.

At any rate, all the best to NB!

I am going to go with disapproving.
 
  • #714
.... order at all with this angry group....council members began to speak, the crowd began chanting, and/or shouted the speaker down..... There were just a few cops inside the meeting. .... Need a strong black leader to ...ask them to....take part in the council process in a pro-active, productive manner, w/out the cussing and threats.
bbm sbm

katydid23
You are so right.
IDK if ppl who attended last council will ack that council has had ordinances in place, apparently for yrs.

FIRST. 3-minute-per-speaker-rule has been in place, pre-dating MB's death.
In future meetings there may be so many ppl, there w/not be time for all to speak. Not gonna be received well.
"4. PUBLIC COMMENTS Citizens' comments and discussion will be heard at this time and shall be limited to a total of three (3) minutes per speaker, which may be increased at the discretion of the Mayor, or by a motion approved by a majority of the members of the Council present at the meeting."

SECOND. It appears virtually every agenda includes below language, announcing council may go into 'closed session'
to discuss certain topics ( litigation, personnel matters, etc) that council may debate and decide in private,
without violating Mo. Sunshine Law
(~ fed FOIA).
"5.

BUSINESS PORTION Upon a motion duly made and approved by affirmative vote of a majority of a quorum of the Council, the City Council may go into closed session at any time for discussions and/or action pertaining to one or more of the reasons set forth in Section 610.021 RSMo., which includes, but is not limited to: (1) legal actions, causes of action, or litigation and estate; (2) lease, purchase, or sale of real estate; (3) hiring, firing, disciplining, or promoting particular employees; (9) negotiations with employee groups; (11) specifications for competitive bidding; (12) negotiations of a contract; (13) personnel matters where individually identifiable personnel information or records may be disclosed; (14) any other information which may be protected by law; (19) existing or proposed security systems and structural plans of real property owned or leased by a public governmental body". BBM

http://www.fergusoncity.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/07222014-272?html=true.
July 22, 2014 Ferguson City Council Meeting Minutes

Will ppl we've seen live-streamed on streets the past month & at last council meeting, ack. these kinds of rules? IDK.

Will they accuse - city council violates speakers' 1st A rights; council conspires in secret meetings.
 
  • #715
Originally Posted by Lovejac WickedWitchOfGaza‏@Clinton2016Nazi·1 hr
#Ferguson Remember this name "Neil Bruntrager"; He is a RICH #AIPAC STL lawyer; He was hired to make sure #darrenwilson NEVER goes to JAIL.

Ummm...of course he was hired to make sure his client never goes to jail. Aren't ALL lawyers hired for that same reason?

Yes, except prosecuting attorney, district atty, etc.
 
  • #716
I take it absolutely nothing new related to the case if we have been resigned to talking about Robert's Rules of Order?
 
  • #717
the caption under the 1st pic: Mike Mike, as the family called him (pictured with brother Andre, now 7 and sister Deja, now 14) had won a place at college and was told by his mother to 'do what he wanted this summer' as a reward. He chose to stay at his grandmother's house where the aspiring rapper had a makeshift studio

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eo-just-real-Michael-Brown.html#ixzz3DFAqgJxg
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

also - this is the 1st time i read he "WON" a place at college - scoured the article & couldn't find another mention of this

That's just a Britishism for "obtained". Another one is "scheme" for a plan- sounds evil, doesn't it, LOL!
 
  • #718
I take it absolutely nothing new related to the case if we have been resigned to talking about Robert's Rules of Order?

The Ferguson Job Fair was a smashing success. 5000 people showed up and they had to extend it an hour.
 
  • #719
The Ferguson Job Fair was a smashing success. 5000 people showed up and they had to extend it an hour.

That actually does sound positive.
 
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