MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[Frydaddy]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-sea-resident-8000-years-ago/1#.VBWXX37D_VIis true.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/female-ancestor.htm


So basically we are all African Americans. Genetics tells us we all originated from one woman in Africa. The color of our skin and eyes tells us how far north our ancestors migrated.

But, to stay on topic I do not believe this is a race issue other than the police officer was white and the community feels officers use too much deadly force within their community. This is what we should be discussing.

Why do they feel that way????

IMO, two reasons. One, as a nation, we base our opinions on emotion and feeling far more often than intellect. Two, leaders are gifted at exploiting reason number one, often to the leaders' advantage and at the peril of the led.

 

[krimekat]

i think i'm looking at the right school calendar - but it's for 2014-2015 - and summer school starts on june 1 and ends june 25.

apparently they have mastered cramming a semester worth of info into 19 days!

http://www.slps.org/calendar

That's not what I see . . .

Totals for the 2014/2015 School Year days; hours;
Student 176 days @ 6 hr. 27 min. (6.45/day)=1135.2
Teacher 210 Days (176 teaching days, 34 without students (4 days for winter break; 5 days for spring break; 9 holidays; 2 record
keeping days; 4 no school days; 5 professional development days; 2 parent conference days; 2 classroom prep. days; 1 Principal's day)

oh, and this is for StL Public Schools not for StL County Public Schools (2 different entities)

here's the link to NORMANDY SCHOOLS COLLABORATIVE website
http://www.normandy.k12.mo.us/ & the events calendar http://images.pcmac.org/Uploads/Normandy/Normandy/Sites/News/Documents/14-15 CalendarJuly162014.pdf

catching up, so someone may have posted this already

 

[krimekat]

It would be the 2013-2014 school year, which isn't much different until you look at the individual months of June/July. It appears summer school ended July 3. :dunno:

http://www.slps.org/Page/2

this is for StL Public Schools, not StL County Public Schools, specifically Normandy Collaborative

 

[krimekat]

Today, the only time MSM identifies the race of the perp is when they're white. They may think they're fooling people or being PC, but after a while most of us caught on.

I image now-a-days, in Ferguson, people might be a bit leery of one another.

and the feeling has crossed boundaries into other areas of StL metro

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

MY guess is Critical Imbalance of Power...... political, economic, educational power. Seems to me that that is the cause of all rebellions, past present and future. No one knows what event will become the catalyst, but in this case, it was the shooting of Michael Brown, by a Ferguson Cop, in front of witnesses, justified by law or not. JUST MY OPINION.

Ahh...you are of the mindset of the Social Structure concept & I concur with your concepts.

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html

Looking forward to reading that, but was stopped by this caption under a pic of MB's hat on the pavement:

"Michael Brown's baseball cap lies on the ground near his body on Aug. 9, 2014, in Ferguson."

IIRC, MB's hat wasn't by his body, but next to the cruiser door, where it likely came off during the "tussle".

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html

Timeline: Four hours after the Michael Brown shooting

12:02 p.m. Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson reports "disturbance in progress" in Canfield Green housing complex.


I didn't realize that OW had reported a disturbance in progress. I may have missed it.

Here's the quote: "Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to the home, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing. About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators."

That supports the idea that OW didn't ignore MB/DJ's walking in the middle of the road because he knew the ambulance wasn't far behind, i.e. he was clearing the road of obstructions.

 

[bettybaby00]

Here's the quote: "Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to the home, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing. About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators."

That supports the idea that OW didn't ignore MB/DJ's walking in the middle of the road because he knew the ambulance wasn't far behind, i.e. he was clearing the road of obstructions.

BBM. Great point!

 

[LambChop]

Here's the quote: "Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to the home, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing. About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators."

That supports the idea that OW didn't ignore MB/DJ's walking in the middle of the road because he knew the ambulance wasn't far behind, i.e. he was clearing the road of obstructions.

That is a good catch. I had not even thought about that.

 

[DebinGA]

Crump always describes MB as "walking down the road" ... never "walking in the middle of the road". Big difference.

 

[bettybaby00]

Crump always describes MB as "walking down the road" ... never "walking in the middle of the road". Big difference.

There are quite a few details he consistently fails to acknowledge and/or add when he's making his outrageous statements...
*MB strong arm robbery--felony
*MB attacked an officer--felony
*MB attempted to gain possession of OWs gun--I would think that's a felony
*according to almost every witness, MB was described as "advancing" in some way toward OW--not a crime per say, but in this circumstance it certainly wasn't the wisest action he could have taken.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Here's the quote: "Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to the home, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing. About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators."

That supports the idea that OW didn't ignore MB/DJ's walking in the middle of the road because he knew the ambulance wasn't far behind, i.e. he was clearing the road of obstructions.

It is common sense that the roads must be cleared for easy & quick flow for police & emergency vehicles. It is also reasonable for taxpayers driving home to be able to make way in a timely fashion without having to crawl behind a jaywalker strolling along. It also is important not to jaywalk because no one wants to accidentally run over a pedestrian while driving.

 

[krimekat]

Here's the quote: "Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to the home, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing. About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators."

That supports the idea that OW didn't ignore MB/DJ's walking in the middle of the road because he knew the ambulance wasn't far behind, i.e. he was clearing the road of obstructions.

and looking on the map, there are 2 routes out of the Glenark Dr area - one is Canfield Drive to W Florissant Ave & the other is out to Lucas-Hunt Rd

 

[krimekat]

It is common sense that the roads must be cleared for easy & quick flow for police & emergency vehicles. It is also reasonable for taxpayers driving home to be able to make way in a timely fashion without having to crawl behind a jaywalker strolling along. It also is important not to jaywalk because no one wants to accidentally run over a pedestrian while driving.

IMHO jaywalking is crossing a road not within a specified crosswalk; it's not obstructing traffic by walking down the middle of the road as in this case. Canfield Drive has yellow lines down the middle of it (& 2 sidewalks running parallel to it), not like the other streets in that area with no yellow lines

yeah, it's common sense not to walk down the middle of the road

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

IMHO jaywalking is crossing a road not within a specified crosswalk; it's not obstructing traffic by walking down the middle of the road as in this case. Canfield Drive has yellow lines down the middle of it (& 2 sidewalks running parallel to it), not like the other streets in that area with no yellow lines

yeah, it's common sense not to walk down the middle of the road

Ok so what is it called if a pedestrian continues to violate crossing at a designated crosswalk & continues to walk down the middle of the road?

 

[bettybaby00]

Ok so what is it called if a pedestrian continues to violate crossing at a designated crosswalk & continues to walk down the middle of the road?

Stupid

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[cady]

That is a good catch. I had not even thought about that.

?? So OW blocked Canfield with his SUV, knowing the ambulance was coming through?? JMO

 

[SwampMama]

What I can't understand is the term "African American" being used. I don't hear Jennifer Lopez described as a "Latin American" or Lisa Ling an "Asian American". Why the distinction? To me an American is an "American". Maybe I just don't like labeling and have never understood/agreed with it. JMO

I agree with you on this. Another thing that I don't understand is the fact that black people are always changing what they want to be called and later being offended by terms that they have used to describe themselves in the past. For instance "colored people". This is no longer an acceptable term to use but obviously it once was as evidenced by the fact that black people created and named the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People).

Even among the black community, there is disagreement on what they wish to be called. Some prefer to be called African American yet some are offended by that term. Then there are people who are black but are another nationality (for instance British) who do not wish to be called African American bcuz they are not African. There are also people who are African who are white. It all gets very complicated when trying to be PC.

I used to teach in an all black school. One child was bi-racial and would get upset when the other kids called him "that white boy". I asked him what he wanted to be called. He said he was a "tan man" which I thought was so cute.

Another time one of my students was upset that another kid had called me a really bad name. What was that "bad name" that the other child called me? The other kid called me "white". Sad that children are being brought up thinking that "white" is an insult or a bad thing to be.

Sorry for going so O/T.

 

[Dana]

It is common sense that the roads must be cleared for easy & quick flow for police & emergency vehicles. It is also reasonable for taxpayers driving home to be able to make way in a timely fashion without having to crawl behind a jaywalker strolling along. It also is important not to jaywalk because no one wants to accidentally run over a pedestrian while driving.

jay·walk
verb \ˈjā-ˌwȯk\

:to CROSS a street carelessly or at an illegal or dangerous place
* Crump narrative - jaywalk


MB and DJ were OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC. They were walking down the center yellow line in the road, not crossing anywhere.


I agree with the rest of your post ATasteOfHoney

 

[bettybaby00]

Ok so what is it called if a pedestrian continues to violate crossing at a designated crosswalk & continues to walk down the middle of the road?

So more seriously
One of the few things I could find.

Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. Where a sidewalk is not available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a way shall walk only on a shoulder, as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway. Where neither a sidewalk nor a shoulder is available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a way shall walk as near as practicable to an outside edge of the roadway, and if on a two-way roadway, shall walk only on the left side of the roadway. Any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right of way to all vehicles upon the roadway.[RSA 265:39]

They don't name it though...I'm guessing b/c it's so STUPID it's assumed no one would engage in such behavior. *shrugs*

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/pedestrian/