MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #19

[Oceans]

Wasn't there a mention of the GJ getting copies of the x-rays from Officer Wilson's visit to the hospital? Why would there be any significance in an x-ray that shows no damage when a report stating no fractures would be sufficient? Any one have any thoughts about this?

My thoughts on this: I wonder if the x-rays were inconclusive if there was a fracture or not. And therefore, a CT scan was ordered which possibly showed a fracture? JMO.

The prosecutor is pressing for a charge, therefore he wants to show the x-rays to the GJ. IMO.

I would be curious to find out what the CT scan showed.

 

[Klood-N]

Nope, I did not.
I said I read on a blog an opinion (not allowed to post links to blogs, so I did not) and said I did not know what to think- asked what others thought.
I relayed the blogger's speculation that the reason there is no real info in the incident "report" was that he already had a lawyer who had advised him to "take the fifth". On it's face, it's as valid a speculation as anything I read here, LOL. But not sure how you can "demonstrate" anything is false with basically nothing official to point to.

You keep forgetting to add "MOO" to your posts, and that is getting old, IMHO.

It's already been reported and posted that Wilson spoke to investigators the same day, and participated in a longer interview the following day.

That was the point. Complaining about gossip while posting it seems disingenuous.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's already been reported and posted that Wilson spoke to investigators the same day, and participated in a longer interview the following day.

That was the point. Complaining about gossip while posting it seems disingenuous.

Very.


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[Truthy]

I guess my question to you is, why bother participating now? Why not wait until everything is released when there is no indictment? Or ....why not wait until the end of the trial after the jury renders one, to begin participating in the discussion?

Seems strange to me....
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I think it's interesting to watch it unfold, like a mystery. But it is getting frustrating- we still know so little, and are left guessing much.

 

[hambirg]

Wasn't there a mention of the GJ getting copies of the x-rays from Officer Wilson's visit to the hospital? Why would there be any significance in an x-ray that shows no damage when a report stating no fractures would be sufficient? Any one have any thoughts about this?

Don't go getting all logical on us!

 

[Frydaddy]

What confuses me are that there are people saying that eyewitnesses are behind OW, but also, when referring to eyewitnesses who are differing from the pro-OW statements, then "eyewitnesses are not to be believed".

So is it just eyewitnesses who recall seeing thing some people do not like that are considered "unreliable" while the "dozen" who back up OW are to be believed?

The reasons each witness that has been dismissed have been given plenty of times. Rather than discuss the reasons, we get the continual "they are dismissed because they don't support Wilson". That, no many how many times it's offered or repeated, just isn't true. What I have yet to see is a single reason why any of the main three are worthy of consideration any more. Perhaps you can answer that question.

 

[bettybaby00]

And x-rays don't show bruising! They show FRACTURES!!

Deductive reasoning at its finest! IMO

Either way.... I'm convinced 100% of the assault on Wilson...that was enough for me.


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BBM, it is what we do

As to your last point, IA, add in the struggle for the gun, and I think it's fair to say its a scenario that represents a major threat. Not only to the officer involved, but also to the public at large.

For me, some of the strongest indicators about what really happened are the result of Parks' statements coupled with what he avoids, or attempts to dismiss. Lawyers for the family aren't going to admit to anything that goes against their narrative unless they have to. There's no way in my mind that Parks makes such admissions otherwise. he's fully aware of what DJs OFFICIAL statements were to investigators/FBI.

They want the focus to stay on "hands up, don't shoot," while attempting to diminish all other aspects of the entire incident as irrelevant. Yet they're not. The robbery is relevant, the assault is relevant, the struggle for the gun is relevant, and the fact that MB was advancing toward OW is very, very, very, very relevant.

MB could have been moving toward OW while mimicking "the itsy bitsy spider." It doesn't matter, it's his advancement toward OW that is the critical issue, especially if the account indicating OW was backing up is accurate.

:moo:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it's interesting to watch it unfold, like a mystery. But it is getting frustrating- we still know so little, and are left guessing much.

But ...you're not just watching.

What do you think happened with what we have so far? Surely, you must have some idea, thoughts or opinions.



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[Oceans]

Not sure they can do this but the better question for the GJ might be did MB use excessive force in the SUV which may have determined his fate the minute he started walking towards Officer Wilson? Officers have to make life and death decision within seconds. What could Michael Brown have done to change the outcome of this shooting?

MB should have followed the orders of ODW. When he yelled "Freeze", MB should have stopped. Not turn, not advance toward ODW, definitely not try to bum-rush him again. JMO.

 

[Truthy]

It's already been reported and posted that Wilson spoke to investigators the same day, and participated in a longer interview the following day.

That was the point. Complaining about gossip while posting it seems disingenuous.

I complained about gossip being presented as fact here and lacking the IMHO.
I did no such thing. Not even close! I said I had no idea what to think about what I read. Disingenuous is ignoring that, IMHO.

 

[LambChop]

I'm not understanding your question. Are your asking if an x-ray is needed to prove that officer Wilson did or didn't suffer a fracture? Or are you asking if a report is enough?

From the WashingtonPost link above:

Hospital X-rays of the injury have been taken and will be shared with a grand jury.

My question was why would you need to provide x-rays if there were nothing to see. The medical report would have reported that there was no fracture. Most people cannot read an x-ray unless there is something to see. jmo

 

[Muffet]

I haven't seen any "bandwagons" here, just people using facts, logic, deductive reasoning, etc and discussing opinions. Most cases are circumstantial and rely on those as well. I don't think there's any requirement here to not state or create an opinion until x point or that you must form one after y point. Seems it'd be a lot more productive to discuss media reports, information, etc than each other.

:thumbup:

I have a lot of thoughts about the criticisms we keep getting for making deductions based on what we have (IOW, sleuthing lol), instead of "just waiting for more information and sitting on the fence"... Because, jmo, but I see a pattern... but I don't know how to put it delicately.

I guess the only way to say it is to point out that we can say we are being objective, just looking at facts, but if we are also consistently showing... how to put this... selective objections/attention, or different thresholds for validity... it kind of belies the "objective, waiting, etc." thing...

There's nothing wrong with stating an honest and open opinion that ODW wasn't justified. It can just be difficult to have a trusting and friendly discussion to hash out the logic or reasons if we fall back on the "just staying objective/on the fence" thing when the reasons don't hold up.

(I made that much longer than it needed to be, but it's hard to be succinct while beating around the bush. )



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[Muffet]

BBM: Maybe that's the reaction authorities are hoping for in case of the protesters when it comes down that ODW might not be charged?

A lot of people might loose interest in the case, including the media, maybe including Crump & Co.

There might be a chance that there are no riots and no "burning down of Ferguson" in January.

That might be the bright side of this case. I personally was looking very much forward to get possibly some facts next month IF it would have gone as planned. Oh well...

JMO

Very highly likely you're right, oceans.

I am torn, because while I too want that bright side, I hate to see things dragged out at the expense of anyone - or an entire town - who needs to be able to move on with their lives.

It's like waiting for a biopsy result.

 

[CHERIE.T]

"Throwing feces at a wall just to see what sticks is not proof of anything, except how gullible people are in the absence of facts."

Can you please deliver this message to Mr. Crump and the MSM?

:yeahthat: :aktion:

 

[LambChop]

Don't go getting all logical on us!

I know. I know. It's been a long day.

 

[Isabelle]

Have you seen the photo posted on FB of the officer who was assaulted by "Mike Brown". The narrative under the photo does not state the officer's name and Brown's first name is given as 'Mike'. Unsure if it is legit. Photo shows man with very dark hair and I thought OW was light, almost blonde??

 

[Linda7NJ]

Have you seen the photo posted on FB of the officer who was assaulted by "Mike Brown". The narrative under the photo does not state the officer's name and Brown's first name is given as 'Mike'. Unsure if it is legit. Photo shows man with very dark hair and I thought OW was light, almost blonde??

It's not him.



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[Isabelle]

It's not him.



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I didn't think it was. Thanks

 

[Frydaddy]

I complained about gossip being presented as fact here and lacking the IMHO.
I did no such thing. Not even close! I said I had no idea what to think about what I read. Disingenuous is ignoring that, IMHO.

Is it disingenuous to require IMHO after every single post, are we really, in 2014, still not past that?

 

[tlcya]

Taking the WaPo unverified unnamed source re orbital fracture as rumor for now but to clarify, I believe it to be fact that MB punched ODW which resulted in an unspecified facial injury and a struggle for the officer's gun at the car ensued (serious altercation for those fluent in Crumpspeak). Just not taking orbital fracture as fact until I have a verified official source for the extent of said facial injury.