MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[Linda7NJ]

It appears to be a "6" not an 8...

Doesn't matter that a young man is killed in cold blood? As he's surrendering?

I don't trust that there isn't a cover up going on. There was no need to execute someone who is unarmed and in surrender..

Please provide credible evidence link that he was in surrender. Thanks in advance.

 

[JeannaT]

Trident - they're looking long term. It's true that stores got broken in to, but no one apparently was killed. 3 cops were injured. I really think backing off a bit and letting this play out - and encouraging the leadership within is the way to go. Continued leadership through riot gear won't work longterm.

The question my husband and I wrestled with in raising our kids and using discipline - do you want revenge, or do you want changed behavior? Most discipline is revenge oriented - and they're going at it in the "we want changed behavior through encouragement of the locals". Sometimes that takes longer than the revenge based approach - IMHO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

took the fun out?

Nothing funny about anyone getting executed by some police officer, at least not in my America..

Last shot to the forehead?

How is that okay? SMDH

If I were being advanced on in a threatening manner, I'd have shot him too.

 

[Sonya610]

I don't know if you are reading or paying attention to what is posted in here and I stepped away so I don't know if this was addressed in here yet. I am sure he wasn't charged because the box of cigars that MD handed to him, DJ placed back on the counter when MD turned to steal another box. So when they left the store it was only MD who committed the "strongarm robbery. jmo

Yes, when I finally found all of the store surveillance video DJ does honestly appear quite innocent and confused. When MB hands him the box DJ just sort of stares at it once or twice, then after what is presumably some words exchanged between MB and the store owner DJ quietly puts it back on the counter.

If anyone thinks it was DJ that lead MB astray I believe they are woefully mistaken.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

How about the 6'3 300 lb teenager NOT STEAL, not accost a store owner and not ignore a cops request to get out of the middle of the street???

Still doesn't equal to a DP conviction without a jury of his peers sentencing him to death...

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Please provide credible evidence link that he was in surrender. Thanks in advance.

I guess the three independent witnesses who have come forward are not credible to you. They didn't know Mike Brown..

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

If I were being advanced on in a threatening manner, I'd have shot him too.

Then if you too would give the final shot to the forehead, you too should be arrested, is my belief.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Still doesn't equal to a DP conviction without a jury of his peers sentencing him to death...

Then he should have listened to the LEO.
Ya steal, bully a shop owner, act like a moose blocking the road and ignore LE ....chit happens.

 

[Frydaddy]

I guess the three independent witnesses who have come forward are not credible to you. They didn't know Mike Brown..

Who was the third witness...Crenshaw, Mitchell and who?

 

[JeannaT]

Then if you too would give the final shot to the forehead, you too should be arrested, is my belief.

I don't know about other states, but in Texas if some guy struggled with you for your gun, and then was continuing to come at you in a threatening manner you could absolutely shoot him in the head. Especially if the perp was as physically imposing as Michael Brown was. "Reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm to ones self or others" is the standard for shooting to death. I think anyone looking at that young man would say his advancing in a threatening manner would create reasonable fear in the victim.

 

[Linda7NJ]

And?

So what if he smokes weed...many productive members of society smoke weed...SMH

Does that mean this young man should be executed?

Does that mean it's okay for any officer to shoot someone who is in surrender position?

Na, not buying anything that's being sold here.. LE had days to cover for the officer who executed a young man. He should have placed him under arrest. Last shot the officer fired was in the forehead of Mike Brown..

I personally, do not believe he was in a surrender position, ever.

Sad day when anyone would put their faith in a <mod snip> that was recorded stealing, shoving, menacing and intimidating a store keeper just trying to make a living. so brazen this young man was he walked down the street like he owned it, blocking traffic and carrying what he just stole out on the open. Refusing to get out of the street. Assaulting a police officer certainly is in his wheel house.imo

When compared to the squeaky clean record of the officer, just doing his job, protecting and serving...it becomes a no brainer. IMO

Now people are whining law enforcement appear hesitant to jump in an arrest looters??? Seriously?

All IMO

 

[Sonya610]

Like others, I do not believe for ONE SECOND this was MB's first rodeo.

Since this was a police involved shooting I hope the previous record on MB can come out, and I am certain there is one.

 

[JeannaT]

Like others, I do not believe for ONE SECOND this was MB's first rodeo.

Since this was a police involved shooting I hope the previous record on MB can come out, and I am certain there is one.

There sure don't seem to be many people - besides Mom and an uncle - saying nice things about MB. You'd think for a guy who graduated from High School (I guess) last May there would be tons of teachers, fellow students, neighbors, etc., all telling sweet stories about him or praising him if anyone had any positive stories to tell.

 

[Kimster]

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[cady]

JMO. I really want to see the original incident report of the shooting incident. All I have seen so far is the heavily redacted incident report of the strong-arm robbery. An officer who responded to the shooting incident indicated that he recognized the QUITE DEAD person as the possible suspect in the (minutes earlier) robbery incident. Later on AUG 11? or so, after he had viewed the video of the robbery, he reported supplementally that Brown was indeed the suspect they were looking for. I am of the opinion that AFTER the shooting, Wilson was informed that the person he shot dead matched the description of a suspect in a robbery incident. And that the shooting had NOTHING to do with Brown being a robbery suspect in the mind of Darren Wilson.
JMO the robbery is a tragedy, the shooting is a tragedy, the rioting and looting are tragedies, and the militarized police force is a tragedy. They are all issues which deserve to be remedied by the truth. Not by spin. There is a dead kid who may have been <modsnip>, but deserved to be dealt with judiciously. Not murdered. JMO

 

[nightwatch]

That's a really good question about how you make money in that area. The Wal-Mart where I used to work was only profitable one year out of the first 10 it was open, so I was told. I used to wonder what was the purpose of keeping it open. The only thing I could think of is that there was a K-Mart and a Venture close by and they were hoping to hold out longer than those two and take all the business after they were gone and maybe be profitable after that, but I don't know. The Venture is gone now, the K-Mart is still there.

The unit of measurement we used to use for missing merchandise after inventory was truck - as in 1.2 trucks full of stuff. One year I was there it was 3.2. Large corporations can weather these losses better than small businesses, so if any businesses come back I guess it will be more big ones than small, and that's not the healthiest thing either. We'll see.

Agreed, but there will always be a small convenience store. Not going all the way to Walmart, Kmart for a pack of cigs or whatnot. As a Walmart manager I'm sure your lost prevention dept was the busy all day long. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Jmo

ciao

 

[Linda7NJ]

Trident - they're looking long term. It's true that stores got broken in to, but no one apparently was killed. 3 cops were injured. I really think backing off a bit and letting this play out - and encouraging the leadership within is the way to go. Continued leadership through riot gear won't work longterm.

The question my husband and I wrestled with in raising our kids and using discipline - do you want revenge, or do you want changed behavior? Most discipline is revenge oriented - and they're going at it in the "we want changed behavior through encouragement of the locals". Sometimes that takes longer than the revenge based approach - IMHO.

Ya lost me.

"Revenge" never was a thought in my parenting process.

 

[JeannaT]

Ya lost me.

"Revenge" never was a thought in my parenting process.

"Revenge" is at the heart of punishment, in my opinion. Actually that's not my idea, it was the idea of a child development professor I had. Spanking, grounding, taking away toys, etc., are all "revenge" based rather than prevention based. So instead of punishing by grounding a child who is 15 minutes late for curfew, you allow the child the freedom to call and say oh sorry I'm going to be 15 minutes late don't worry about me.

Personally, I never punished at all, which is kind of weird.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Then if you too would give the final shot to the forehead, you too should be arrested, is my belief.

And as he's advancing, what do you suggest the offer do? Say something like, " please lad, stop advancing on me in a threatening manner" and when that doesn't work? What? Start running and hope you can out run <modsnip>?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

And as he's advancing, what do you suggest the offer do? Say something like, " please lad, stop advancing on me in a threatening manner" and when that doesn't work? What? Start running and hope you can out run <modsnip>?

I don't believe that tale of advancing in a threatening manner but I'll play along..

So, after the first shot it's alleged, Mike Brown surrendered, hands raised getting to his knees. The officer empties his weapon into a person who had no weapon, who was surrendering. Last shot this officer took as he stood over MB, was a shot to the forehead.

Why instead didn't he place him under arrest when surrendering? I do believe the witnesses who say he was surrendering. All didn't know Mike Brown from a hole in the wall...