MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[AuburnTxTiger]

No need to tell your son anything about riding in a cul-de-sac. But as he grows, you might warn him against trying to grab a gun from a cop's holster. THAT is a big NO NO. :cop:

I would also hope the 3 year old is taught to have respect for law enforcement.

 

[SwampMama]

It will be interesting to find if the gun did go off IN the officer's car. That would definitely help show that MB was struggling with the officer for the gun or assaulting him. It makes NO sense that the cop would try to pull a 300 lb suspect into the car thru the window (or door?) as MB's friend Dorian has said.

"Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street during a routine patrol. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer’s weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.

Dorian Johnson has told reporters a different story. He said an officer ordered him and Brown onto the sidewalk, then grabbed his friend’s neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He said Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times". http://nypost.com/2014/08/15/police-identify-officer-in-michael-brown-shooting/

 

[katydid23]

Just heard on CNN that earlier tonight there was a molotov cocktail that was thrown on the roof of a Dominoes Pizza. The roof was smoldering and they called out fire dept and SWAT team. And that was the reason the cops came around tonight, according to the reporter.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Someone just yelled "Get money" while looting the liquor store. Live stream from Ferguson, Missouri. Unbelievable!
http://livestream.com http://livestre.am/4VB4Y

 

[MyBelle]

It will be interesting to find if the gun did go off IN the officer's car. That would definitely help show that MB was struggling with the officer for the gun or assaulting him. It makes NO sense that the cop would try to pull a 300 lb suspect into the car thru the window (or door?) as MB's friend Dorian has said.

"Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street during a routine patrol. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer’s weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.

Dorian Johnson has told reporters a different story. He said an officer ordered him and Brown onto the sidewalk, then grabbed his friend’s neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He said Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times". http://nypost.com/2014/08/15/police-identify-officer-in-michael-brown-shooting/

I think that's a fact that the struggle was inside the car. The bullet casing would have been recovered=Proof.

JMO

 

[SwampMama]

I think that's a fact that the struggle was inside the car. The bullet casing would have been recovered=Proof.

JMO

That's what I figured and I am hoping that such evidence would show that there was a struggle for the gun in the vehicle which would definitely be a deadly threat against the officer's life which would account for his reaction.

But I can see that at this point, many of MB's most ardent supporters are NOT receptive to such facts and proof such as videos of him robbing and strong arming a tiny clerk and prefer their version of the "gentle giant".

 

[sorrell skye]

Off to bed. fftobed:

Thanks to everyone for staying up so late. See you tomorrow!

 

[IndDia]

That's what I figured and I am hoping that such evidence would show that there was a struggle for the gun in the vehicle which would definitely be a deadly threat against the officer's life which would account for his reaction.

But I can see that at this point, many of MB's most ardent supporters are NOT receptive to such facts and proof such as videos of him robbing and strong arming a tiny clerk and prefer their version of the "gentle giant".

That would be one version of the events/struggle. The eyewitness (not extremely credible, but probably as good as the police at this point) says that he was trying to pull away from the officer because he was being choked by the cop and tried to pull away when the cop pulled his gun. That is the eyewitness' report. And from there it will be up to a jury. If you choose to accept one version of the events then that's your prerogative. I choose to withhold judgement until I know all the facts (which may very well be never). But I will accept what a jury decides if and when that is chosen as the jurisdiction. In the meantime, I completely understand the outrage of the community and families impacted by this event. All it took was a minor conflict and one gun and this is what we have.

 

[katydid23]

That would be one version of the events/struggle. The eyewitness (not extremely credible, but probably as good as the police at this point) says that he was trying to pull away from the officer because he was being choked by the cop and tried to pull away when the cop pulled his gun. That is the eyewitness' report. And from there it will be up to a jury. If you choose to accept one version of the events then that's your prerogative. I choose to withhold judgement until I know all the facts (which may very well be never). But I will accept what a jury decides if and when that is chosen as the jurisdiction. In the meantime, I completely understand the outrage of the community and families impacted by this event. All it took was a minor conflict and one gun and this is what we have.

You say that you are withholding judgement yet I feel a bit of judging going on against the cops...Am I wrong?

I agree with you that we should ALL withhold judgement and wait for the facts. But I think all of our own baggage and pre-conceived notions get in the way. jmo

 

[SwampMama]

Well it is off to bed for me. Goodnight to all of my dear friends here and see you tomorrow.

 

[rose222]

The more I think about this case the more I feel that it was overkill. I don't understand how people say he deserved to die or had it coming simply because he stole some cigars. Since when is the death penalty (without a trial and jury) the fitting punishment for petty theft or even robbery? Mothers who kill their own babies are often sentenced to only a few years in jail. Criminals convicted of plotting a murder or even manslaughter get out after spending a few years in jail. This boy stole some cigars! Even a confrontation with the cop does not justify his killing in this case. How is it okay to shoot a teenager several times after he surrenders? The last bit hasn't been confirmed but if that's the case then the officer must be held responsible.

 

[MyBelle]

The more I think about this case the more I feel that it was overkill. I don't understand how people say he deserved to die or had it coming simply because he stole some cigars. Since when is the death penalty (without a trial and jury) the fitting punishment for petty theft or even robbery? Mothers who kill their own babies are often sentenced to only a few years in jail. Criminals convicted of plotting a murder or even manslaughter get out after spending a few years in jail. This boy stole some cigars! Even a confrontation with the cop does not justify his killing in this case. How is it okay to shoot a teenager several times after he surrenders? The last bit hasn't been confirmed but if that's the case then the officer must be held responsible.

The suspect wasn't a boy, he was a man. An adult. If the officer was not justified in shooting him, the officer will be held responsible.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't think he 'deserved' to die. Not at all. But if he did get into a struggle over the cops gun---then that's what can happen. If he assaulted the officer and went for the gun, the cop is trained to SHOOT in self defense. Cops are people too. Whats he supposed to do if a 6ft3, 300 lb gentle giant tries to grab his weapon?

 

[rose222]

The suspect wasn't a boy, he was a man. An adult. If the officer was not justified in shooting him, the officer will be held responsible.

JMO

You're right.

 

[rose222]

I don't think he 'deserved' to die. Not at all. But if he did get into a struggle over the cops gun---then that's what can happen. If he assaulted the officer and went for the gun, the cop is trained to SHOOT in self defense. Cops are people too. Whats he supposed to do if a 6ft3, 300 lb gentle giant tries to grab his weapon?

Yes but if the cop did shoot Brown several times when Brown had his hands up in the air then that would be wrong. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes but if the cop did shoot Brown several times when Brown had his hands up in the air then that would be wrong. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.

I've seen no proof Brown had his hands up in the air. Is his accomplice in the strong-arm robbery a reliable source? I don't believe so.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

The more I think about this case the more I feel that it was overkill. I don't understand how people say he deserved to die or had it coming simply because he stole some cigars. Since when is the death penalty (without a trial and jury) the fitting punishment for petty theft or even robbery? Mothers who kill their own babies are often sentenced to only a few years in jail. Criminals convicted of plotting a murder or even manslaughter get out after spending a few years in jail. This boy stole some cigars! Even a confrontation with the cop does not justify his killing in this case. How is it okay to shoot a teenager several times after he surrenders? The last bit hasn't been confirmed but if that's the case then the officer must be held responsible.

Just so we're on the same page....nobody on this forum has said Brown deserved to die. There is no proof yet that the officer shot the man after he surrendered just as there is no proof he did surrender. Let's stick to known facts. Thanks.

 

[rose222]

I've seen no proof Brown had his hands up in the air. Is his accomplice in the strong-arm robbery a reliable source? I don't believe so.

JMO

I don't believe a word out of his mouth now. There are a couple of other female witnesses. I'm not sure how credible they are.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe a word out of his mouth now. There are a couple of other female witnesses. I'm not sure how credible they are.

They are not reliable, any comments they made are self-serving. I think the violence from tonight dispels that idea. There are gangs driving violent crime in America. White, black, Latino, they all are players. Has nothing to do with race other than their own prejudices driving their criminal behavior. The businesses being destroyed are owned by a diversity of races. Those that are trying to play the race card are totally irresponsible. This isn't the 70's. There are old folks such as myself still around.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

A struggle over an officer's gun in a police cruiser is now "minor conflict?" I don't think the majority of Americans agree with that opinion. An eyewitness who is a potential suspect in a strong-armed robbery is as equally credible as a police officer? Really? Is determining credibility going to be a struggle for the jury? If there is a jurisdictional dispute, please post a link.

I doubt it ever reaches a jury. Most crimes are resolved based on actual facts, not rumor. This case involved actual facts, not rumor.

JMO