MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[JeannaT]

How could he have "shot him in the forehead" while "standing over him" as Michael appeared to be attempting to get to his knees? If Michael were not on his knees - and I don't believe a single soul has said he WAS on his knees - there is no way an officer could have "stood over" a man who is 6'4".

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

How could he have "shot him in the forehead" while "standing over him" as Michael appeared to be attempting to get to his knees? If Michael were not on his knees - and I don't believe a single soul has said he WAS on his knees - there is no way an officer could have "stood over" a man who is 6'4".

The officer's lady friend said this on a radio show about last shot to the forehead..

If someone is already down ( many bullets put him down, shot in the chest many times before final shot to forehead)

Wowza...

 

[JeannaT]

The officer's lady friend said this on a radio show about last shot to the forehead..

If someone is already down ( many bullets put him down, shot in the chest many times before final shot to forehead)

Wowza...

I don't know about some anonymous caller to the radio station claiming to know the cop, and the evidence most surely doesn't bear out that the cop stood over him and fired. No one has said that, IMHO.

In my world, "lady friend" implies girlfriend/mistress. As I understood it, this caller claimed an acquaintanceship with the cops wife.

 

[al66pine]

Just curious, where did you get the "300-pound" measurement? I've only seen that estimate once and it wasn't from a reputable site.

If your Q @ post 586 has not been answered -

IIRC, LE incident report pdf showed MB as 292 lbs and 6'3" (don't know source, measurement from autopsy rpt, or MO DL or?)

 

[Ray_of_hope]

JJ and AR have a lot of influence in the community. I'd like to see them take charge and get order restored. LE is darned if they do and darned if they don't. Glad they have lots of video of looters. People can't have it both ways! Also, we need to await autopsy results before assumptions are made. I watched a video by a witness to MB still in the street earlier that was all hearsay in the narrative: "They say he had his hands up and was surrendering...". I feel the worst for the owner/employees of the Quick Mart who were working and trying to make a living. They have now been victimized 3 times!!!!! I sincerely hope they are insured and can get safely out of there. I'm sure there will be screaming that there is no shopping available by locals. I feel so frustrated.

 

[Kimster]

If your Q @ post 586 has not been answered -

IIRC, LE incident report pdf showed MB as 292 lbs and 6'3" (don't know source, measurement from autopsy rpt, or MO DL or?)

Here's your link: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/500279501369397248

 

[New1]

I've seen no proof Brown had his hands up in the air. Is his accomplice in the strong-arm robbery a reliable source? I don't believe so.

JMO

JMO, but he could have had his hands up in the air and still be coming toward the officer. We just don't know.

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe you should listen to that broadcast before you say doesn't bear out that cop stood over him with last shot to the forehead. I know what I heard, as she offered this up for justification of a death sentence issued by an officer.

She's a friend and a lady, whatever you imply out of that is not my intent...

I never said the caller to the radio station didn't say he stood over MB. I haven't heard the broadcast.

I've said the evidence doesn't bear it out - none of the witnesses have said that he was on the ground being shot from above by the cop. As much as the witnesses (IMHO) may have skewed their observations in favor of MB, no one has said that that I've heard. I could be wrong.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

"Revenge" is at the heart of punishment, in my opinion. Actually that's not my idea, it was the idea of a child development professor I had. Spanking, grounding, taking away toys, etc., are all "revenge" based rather than prevention based. So instead of punishing by grounding a child who is 15 minutes late for curfew, you allow the child the freedom to call and say oh sorry I'm going to be 15 minutes late don't worry about me.

Personally, I never punished at all, which is kind of weird.

Revenge to punish a child?

you punish a child to teach them, never should revenge be used as discipline..

 

[JeannaT]

Revenge to punish a child?

you punish a child to teach them, never should revenge be used as discipline..

It's a saying. Do you want revenge, or do you want to change behavior. It's used by teachers and child development specialists. Usually, if you want to change behavior there is a nonpunishment way to do it. Or, the way we do it in our society is to punish. We punish everything we don't want to see, rather than think of positive reinforcements to change behavior. If we wanted to have excellent polite drivers, we'd have unmarked cop cars going around handing out $20 to drivers who are respectful. Instead, we have marked cars pulling people over and fining them.

For the record, I never punished my kids.

And I think any parent who is being honest would say they want revenge against their kids some times. All you have to do is open your eyes and watch parents in public. THAT'S IT!! YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT TREAT!! *reaches into the cart and sets promised treat back on shelf* That's revenge. It's righteous anger, and revenge.

But enough about that. I was making the point that instead of seeking revenge against an angry mob, dispersing that anger might be a better long term solution.

 

[Frydaddy]

Maybe you should listen to that broadcast before you say doesn't bear out that cop stood over him with last shot to the forehead. I know what I heard, as she offered this up for justification of a death sentence issued by an officer.

She's a friend and a lady, whatever you imply out of that is not my intent...

Please give us a time stamp in this recording where you heard the words "stood over him" in reference to the shot to the head. Also, pay attention to the words "thought he was on something"...context, even if you choose not to believe it or add words to it, is important to open-minded people.

http://www.971talk.com/blogs/dana-s...laims-be-friends-darren-wilson-knows-his-side

 

[katydid23]

It appears to be a "6" not an 8...

Doesn't matter that a young man is killed in cold blood? As he's surrendering?

I don't trust that there isn't a cover up going on. There was no need to execute someone who is unarmed and in surrender..

WHY the heck would Dorian Johnson CONFESS to being involved in that robbery that same morning, if it really happened in June? Does that make any sense at all?

That tape is not from June. Dorian, the witness has admitted he was there the same day that MB was killed.

We do not know that he was surrendering. WE have to wait and see.

 

[Sonya610]

"Revenge" is at the heart of punishment, in my opinion. Actually that's not my idea, it was the idea of a child development professor I had. Spanking, grounding, taking away toys, etc., are all "revenge" based rather than prevention based. So instead of punishing by grounding a child who is 15 minutes late for curfew, you allow the child the freedom to call and say oh sorry I'm going to be 15 minutes late don't worry about me.

Personally, I never punished at all, which is kind of weird.

Okay, you are being sarcastic? It is hard to tell.

 

[vulture]

Agreed, but there will always be a small convenience store. Not going all the way to Walmart, Kmart for a pack of cigs or whatnot. As a Walmart manager I'm sure your lost prevention dept was the busy all day long. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Yes they were very busy! I was glad it was not my job to confront people, but to report it to security only (though I did break that rule a couple of times when I thought an associate might be in too much danger to wait). I didn't intend to look intimidating, but back then I used to wear combat boots a lot. The main reason for that is that my job before that was at an Army Surplus store and I could get any merchandise from the store at cost + 10%. I lived in the mountains in Colorado at that time and there was lots of cold weather and snow and it was the grunge era so combat boots were a good footwear choice! When I moved back to the St. Louis area I decided the combat boots were still a good footwear choice at work because they were very comfortable for being on your feet 8 hours or more at a time and the ankle support was great for walking on floors that had merchandise strewn all over them and sometimes dish detergent, soda, bleach, vomit, feces, urine, you get the idea. I noticed that I was sometimes addressed as "security lady" by customers and I realized with the combat boots and walkie talkie I looked like security and that was an advantage. Sometimes bad guys ran off just by me appearing and that's a good thing!

 

[liljim]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Please give us a time stamp in this recording where you heard the words "stood over him" in reference to the shot to the head. Also, pay attention to the words "thought he was on something"...context, even if you choose not to believe it or add words to it, is important to open-minded people.

http://www.971talk.com/blogs/dana-s...laims-be-friends-darren-wilson-knows-his-side

All too familiar, like a play out of Zimmerman play book..

Trash the victim to justify the murder...

 

[JeannaT]

Okay, you are being sarcastic? It is hard to tell.

no, I'm not being sarcastic. I know few people want to acknowledge that parents sometimes really want revenge on their kids (and justifiably so, IMHO, man you can get grey hairs from your beloved kidlets).

I really didn't want to derail this whole thread into a parenting philosophy discussion, but rather, to relate it to the cops encouraging leadership within the community and not just taking revenge on the angry mob in the form of tear gas, flash bombs and arrests. There are better ways to change behavior than that, IMHO, although it takes a little longer to take hold.

And now I'm out of here to run errands and I hope the discussion about parenting doesn't continue - I didn't mean to derail the topic.

 

[Sonya610]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html

:goodpost:

Thank you. Great photos!

 

[JeannaT]

All too familiar, like a play out of Zimmerman play book..

Trash the victim to justify the murder...

How about "be truthful about the deceased so you can most accurately decide what the likely behaviors of the deceased were before the altercation"? If we think either one of these young men were choirboys, it would seem unlikely either would have assaulted those accused of murdering them in cold blood. When you take their true behavior into account, then you being to realize it may be exactly as being explained by the victim who is forced to shoot to save their own life. It's not about trashing - it's about being able to put all the witness statements in context and come out with the truth. When you don't have videotape of an incident and you have to decide whether to believe the survivor of the incident, it's helpful to know the backgrounds of both the deceased and the survivor. In this case, it's certainly appearing that the cop was 100% truthful in what he experienced. In my opinion.

 

[Sonya610]

no, I'm not being sarcastic. I know few people want to acknowledge that parents sometimes really want revenge on their kids (and justifiably so, IMHO, man you can get grey hairs from your beloved kidlets).

Yes I am sure some parents really DO want revenge.

However that does not mean discipline is SEEKING revenge. Hardly.

When discipline involves loved ones (note the word LOVED) it is to keep everyone safe even if there is some anger being expressed.