MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #3

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Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 21m
Church gives Capt Johnson a standing ovation. 8

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FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 23m
Greater Grace Church in #Ferguson filled and so is the parking lot for #MichaelBrown rally. via @KiekowLive

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[LiveLaughLuv]

If he was running away, how did he end up dead a mere three feet from the officer?


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As far as I read, 35 feet from the patrol car.

I believe you are taking the 3rd hand hearsay as evidence from the lady friend for I haven't heard he was only three feet from the officer other than from her.

 

[katydid23]

If I believe the officer was under attack, fighting over the gun, Yes.

Yes, I believe the first shot was justified, can't say the shot to the back was, if that pans out to be true.

Ok, so we are on the same page then. thanks :wave:

 

[MyBelle]

THANKS!! My sentiments, exactly. It appears that the majority here do not accept eye witness statements, nor do they accept the determination that the officer was not responding to MB as a robbery suspect. If the evidence eventually proves that MB assaulted the officer,it may turn out that the officer was justified in shooting him. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. The initial shot may be justified, but that, and the following shots and their justification should be determined within the justice system. Not outside of it BY ANYONE or any GROUP. JMO

Has there been a determination the officer was not responding to MB as a robbery suspect? I think facts have established that MB matched the description in the BOLO. The officer first approached MB and DJ because they were walking in the road, i.e., creating a hazard for themselves as well as other motorists. They refused his request to get back on the sidewalk.

The officer is an eyewitness and he filed a report that is sworn testimony. I give his testimony more credibility than those who may or may not have witnessed something. I've not seen sworn testimony from other witnesses. Until I do, I'll continue to give the officer the presumption of innocence.

JMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Do you have any police report that states that MB in fact put his hands up after the first 2 shots or are you only going off what "witnesses" have said.

If I had a police report that states that I would have posted it..

Three witnesses came out with the same details, one was with MB the other two didn't know either of them from a hole in the wall..

The police accounts do not match anything witnesses said so I am skeptical that the blue wall didn't infiltrate those incident reports put out there..all in CYA mode..

 

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Mandy St. Amand ‏@mandystlpd 23m
#Ferguson: Ron Johnson "this is my neighborhood. YOu are my family, you my friends and I am you."
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[vulture]

Employees of a local Wal-Mart barricaded themselves in as looters ransacked the store.

When I worked at this store I used to think about what I'd do in this situation, I knew it was a possibility. They didn't train me for anything beyond calling 911 because that's all I was officially supposed to do. Other than get people toward the middle of the store if there was a tornado. I wondered if getting associates onto the roof would be an option. I had a key to the roof hatch. With such a small opening, that would be pretty easy to defend. If you stay toward the middle of the roof and away from the edges no one would be able to shoot at you - it was a HUUUGE roof. If there was a fire you could possibly run over the roofs of several stores to safety. The main problem with that idea is the ladder is tiny and it would take awhile to get people up it. I guess if you're going to barricade yourself in, a corner next to an emergency exit would be good, you could pull shelves around you and get out if there is a fire, and it can't be opened from the outside. I'd like to know where they barricaded themselves because I know the layout of that store very well! Although the customer facing part has been redone extensively. I'm not sure about the office area or warehouse area.

 

[bwt42]

When one consider the excessive amount of bullets that went into Mike Browns body, with a final shot to the forehead, I don't understand how many aren't outraged.

After the first shot when Mike Brown was surrendering, instead of emptying his weapon, he should have arrested him. Since he took that final shot to the forehead (as stated by DJ and Wilson's lady friend) I think this will prove very damning to Wilson.

Is it possible that Wilson acted out of anger? Sure in my mind he could. He felt disrespected that DJ and MB didn't immediately get out of the street as they were told.

I worry this could be me or any of my children. I don't believe an officer of the law needs to kill someone who is unarmed. He could have held MB at gunpoint as he calls for back up. Then MB would be under arrest but alive...

Since you seem to know that an excessive amount of bullets went into his body, could you please give the number of bullets & your source. This is the first I've heard about how many times he was hit.

 

[Kimster]

Well if you are declaring MB a VICTIM it appears you may know answers that the rest of us are not privy too.

She just means that he has been killed and is a victim of either a crime or his death is a result of an altercation with LE. The mods are unbiased.

Calling out the mods in the threads makes me grumpy, BTW. Don't do it again.

 

[Boytwnmom]

in the general use of the term as opposed to a legal meaning. Someone can be a victim of a homicide which is found to be justified and thus which is not legally actionable or punishable. People are "victims" of diseases, poverty, circumstances. The general term, victim, has no meaning in terms of assessing legal liaiblity. The determination of wrongful killing will make it a "murder" but will not determine whether Michael Brown is a victim or whether this was a tragedy. He was and it is. But that answers no relevant legal questions.

There is a legal meaning to the term "victim". States directly or indirectly define "victim" in regard to victims rights laws. In order to be a "victim" under such a law, the perpetrator needs to be found guilty of the offense. In Missouri the statute defines "victim":

(28) "Victim", a person who suffers personal physical injury or death as a direct result of a crime, as defined in subdivision (5) of this subsection;

Crime is defined:

(5) "Crime", an act committed in this state which, if committed by a mentally competent, criminally responsible person who had no legal exemption or defense, would constitute a crime; provided that, such act involves the application of force or violence or the threat of force or violence by the offender upon the victim but shall include the crime of driving while intoxicated, vehicular manslaughter and hit and run; and provided, further, that no act involving the operation of a motor vehicle except driving while intoxicated, vehicular manslaughter and hit and run which results in injury to another shall constitute a crime for the purpose of sections 595.010 to 595.075, unless such injury was intentionally inflicted through the use of a motor vehicle. A crime shall also include an act of terrorism, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 2331, which has been committed outside of the United States against a resident of Missouri;

So, there is a difference between the common use of the term "victim" and the legal meaning of that term in the criminal law context. Not that anone cares....not too relevant to anyones daily life.....but I like to differentiate when terms have more than one meaning in the context it's being used. Michael Brown is a victim, general meaning. Whether he was a victim, legally speaking, will depend on whether the officer was justified or not in using deadly force.

Yes Michael Brown is a victim. Although I don't know what is being implied by "Daren Wilson is on paid leave". Has Wilson been tried and convicted of a crime? That's the whole problem here, we don't know all the facts and there is a presumption of innocence that should apply to Wilson. Yet it seems to be forgotten because in the court of public opinion many have tried and convicted him and nothing will exonerate him.

 

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Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 47s
A plea from business owners in #ferguson "Our faith and works with prayer will get the job done, not your violence"

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Mandy St. Amand ‏@mandystlpd 21m
#Ferguson: RonJohnson says when this is over, it will make everything better for black sons, black women, black men, black mothers,



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Lilly A. Fowler ‏@LillyAFowler 28m
There are a TON OF PEOPLE at this Al Sharpton rally @ Greater Grace Church. TONS! #ferguson



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Lilly A. Fowler ‏@LillyAFowler 18m
Outside of Al Sharpton rally #ferguson #michaelbrown
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[sorrell skye]

If I believe the officer was under attack, fighting over the gun, Yes.

Yes, I believe the first shot was justified, can't say the shot to the back was, if that pans out to be true.

If the autopsies ultimately show that MB was shot in the back, I'll have a huge problem believing it was a justified shooting.

 

[Amber29]

Ok, here goes:
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Officer Wilson's side of the story

Thank you!
That sounds like a believable version. I'm not saying for sure because we still have things we need to know. Unfortunately DJ wasn't honest in his version and it's unbelievable. It's terrible that it could've been completely justifiable because I'm afraid at this point it won't matter. With the mentality of some officials being the truth "may incite the crowd."

I also feel strongly that even if there are witnesses that could corroborate Wilson's version, they won't come forward out of fear. I mean when people are scared to even speak on behalf of Wilson at all.

This is all IMO

 

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Lilly A. Fowler ‏@LillyAFowler 2m
People dancing and singing inside (even in the aisles!) #ferguson
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[MyBelle]

I am a little skeptical about the cost amount of the cigars stolen. MB was suspected of stealing a $48.99 box of cigars. That seems very close to the threshold amount between a misdemeanor and felony offense. Imo, this amount may have been to minimize the offense to shoplifting... At a minimum, imo MB would have been charged with assault and battery on the store clerk....

He wouldn't be charged unless the clerk pressed charges...and I think it was obvious the clerk had no intention of pressing charges. A customer phoned 911, not the clerk.

JMO

 

[Ladylub]

If I had a police report that states that I would have posted it..

Three witnesses came out with the same details, one was with MB the other two didn't know either of them from a hole in the wall..

The police accounts do not match anything witnesses said so I am skeptical that the blue wall didn't infiltrate those incident reports put out there..all in CYA mode..

What do you think about the gentleman in the video that says MB bum rushed the officer?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Since you seem to know that an excessive amount of bullets went into his body, could you please give the number of bullets & your source. This is the first I've heard about how many times he was hit.

his mother Lesley McSpadden said this on a video, Trying to find it...she said she was told 8 shots...

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What do you think about the gentleman in the video that says MB bum rushed the officer?

what video?

 

[Linda7NJ]

As far as I read, 35 feet from the patrol car.

I believe you are taking the 3rd hand hearsay as evidence from the lady friend for I haven't heard he was only three feet from the officer other than from her.

Other witness corroborates

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[popsicle]

What could possibly be the biggest lie in all of this? If in the end, the facts show that MB never put his hands up in the air. Hands up! Don't shoot! jmo