MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #3

[Gardenlady]

There is NO EVIDENCE Officer Wilson "hassled" anybody. He told two men to get out of the street and use a sidewalk.

JMO

The issue is larger than just the case of MB. Failure to understand that is part of what fuels the anger of the protestors.




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[sorrell skye]

FWIW I support these demonstrations and these marches. I'm vehemently opposed to racism in all its forms - including in law enforcement.

Having said that, I haven't seen any evidence yet in this case that MB was shot by a racist police officer.

 

[popsicle]

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Neal Mann ‏@fieldproducer 48m
Interesting piece by @carr2n on how #Ferguson shows how Twitter has changed the game for the media & activists http://nyti.ms/1rKDUxx
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[Lovejac]

Why do they protest at night? Why not during the day?

And another question, has school started back there yet?

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

There are people in YELLOW shirts that are leading protestors. Seems like they are leaders, and trying to keep things peaceful!

 

[JRulfo]

So, when did the police first mention the cigars?

Because from what I had been hearing from the police--and I just went back and watched a few videos of police press conferences and interviews from last week--Wilson stopped them because of jaywalking. Not because he soon realized they might be the cigar suspects. The cigars were first mentioned by the police in connection with Wilson stopping the men almost a week after the shooting: late on Friday, after two confusing police press conferences had already taken place.

So, if this is now suddenly so obvious and if those are supposedly the facts, why did it take so long for the police to put out that narrative? Why wait until late Friday afternoon? And why didn't they arrest Dorian Johnson on Saturday if Wilson knew he was a suspect. After all, Dorian is on the robbery report as an accomplice. And, furthermore, why is there an item on a police event report from that day over 6 hours after Wilson stopped the men that says: "Still see no one matching that description."

Which is all very odd, since someone had already mentioned the cigars last Tuesday, not Friday. The first person to mention the cigars, as far as I know, was Dorian Johnson himself, in his interview on Tuesday with Al Sharpton. He may have even mentioned it earlier, for all I know. So if Dorian was talking about the cigars then, why did the police wait until Friday, when they needed three tries to finally get their account of this straight?

 

[JLSChook]

Does anyone have audio on the Live Feed here?

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/59640376

 

[MyBelle]

Some people believe protesting what they see as an injustice IS doing good. Protests have led to better labor laws, an end to segregation, helped sway public opinion on the Vietnam war, helped being attention to many, many issues over the years.

If you are looking for more "concrete" good, look through twitter using the #ferguson tag. Many good pics and interviews with just regular folks who come out in the mornings after the protests and the later trouble to clean up. Regular folks who protested the day or evening before helping clean up looted stores. Folks who lined up to protect businesses.

Many of these stories you won't find in MSM. For these and more long-term-good try hitting some of the indie black media. There is great reporting out there of great stories at community level. Just because the public doesn't see or hear them doesn't mean they aren't happening!


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I have no problem with a peaceful protest, what I do have a problem with is when a protest has no valid reason behind it.

JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

From his use of the word "sorry" it sounded like Johnson was giving an apology not simply expressing regret:

"Johnson began by apologizing to Brown’s family. “I wear this uniform, and I should stand up here and say that I’m sorry,”

If he said to the family "I am sorry for your loss" that would be OK as it would simply be an expression of regret. To offer an apology on behalf of the LE because he "wear(s) this uniform" is to imply wrongdoing on the part of Officer Wilson which is IMO very unfair to the Officer and his family.

Maybe he can relate to MB. Maybe he feels that the shooting didn't have to happen. It's a funeral, it's emotional. Imagine being a black man, and knowing the baggage you are forced to carry simply because you are a black man and there are people - many in LE - who will assume the worst of you because of that. You are at what is basically a service for a dead young man, his grieving family is sitting there and you have heard their pain.

Are you going to speak based on what's good for the department, legally speaking? Or perhaps you speak from the heart. That's all I see him doing.


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[Montjoy]

Welcome JRulfo! Good first post!

 

[popsicle]

The issue is larger than just the case of MB. Failure to understand that is part of what fuels the anger of the protestors.




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Sounds like everything fuels their anger.

 

[MyBelle]

FWIW I support these demonstrations and these marches. I'm vehemently opposed to racism in all its forms - including in law enforcement.

Having said that, I haven't seen any evidence yet in this case that MB was shot by a racist police officer.

BBM. A rather big detail that is being conveniently overlooked for political reasons.

JMO

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

School is on hold, at least that was teh last thing I heard. they have put it on hold until things calm down. As far as why they are protesting at night, they want to show police that the can protest anytime they want to. Including at night. Its there first amendment right!

 

[Gardenlady]

I have no problem with a peaceful protest, what I do have a problem with is when a protest has no valid reason behind it.

JMO

Your opinion that there is not a valid reason. Millions beg to differ. The issue is larger than MB, it is borne out by the statistics, and is a longstanding historical and present greivance.

Hell, there's tons of protests that I think are based on terribly invalid reasons - but I don't have a problem with them because the protestors have every right to protest.


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St. Louis County PD ‏@stlcountypd 9m
We are receiving multiple calls for shots fired in the area of W. Florissant and Canfield. Please watch your surroundings and be safe.
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[sorrell skye]

Does anyone have audio on the Live Feed here?

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/59640376

Is this the same link?

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

It's working for me.

 

[LietKynes]

Really? "A disgrace" for saying he's sorry their son was killed?


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RSBM

Should have clarified a bit ; I was referring to the portion of that sentence saying "...Capt. Johnson who threw Officer Wilson under the bus ...." Seemed like that meant Capt. Johnson was saying he believes M.Brown to be innocent and it was Officer Wilson's fault alone. The way it was worded , Capt. J. has degraded and demoralized the entire police force of Ferguson.
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[Blue_Dolphin308]

Yellow shirts are saying they are moving a little bit to fast and that they need to slow down.

 

[Gardenlady]

Sounds like everything fuels their anger.

I can say this with assurance - trying to invalidate people's experiences and emotions is a sure way to make people angrier.


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[Lovejac]

Does anyone have audio on the Live Feed here?

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/59640376

I do, but I just ended up muting it for a while. Giving me a headache.