MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #3

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  • #801
But not punishable by death.


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Of course not. But he didnt die because he stole the cigars. I think we will find out that he died because he punched a cop in the face and tried to get a hold of his gun. That leads one down a very dangerous road.
 
  • #802
ALL Bullets fired in his front.

Unsure if that is the official autopsy. There is usual quite a bit of narrative along with it and the ME's signature.
 
  • #803
I can respect the difference of opinion on that. I too worry about safety of those who are out there simply to be heard. It's not just the curfew though. I think by using civil disobedience by breaking curfew with say, a sit in, they could show just how committed they are to the bigger issues.


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They already proved they can't have a peaceful sit-in.
 
  • #804
Tim Pool reporting that he was told by someone (protester, 🤬🤬🤬🤬, IDK) that it's not going to stop until "they arrest this guy", meaning Officer Wilson.

He also reported hearing more gunfire as he fled the scene.

He's trying to get to Florrisant.

Stay safe Tim!!!

http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551
 
  • #805
\ Fatal bullet into the top of his head, which tends to support the theory he was aggressively moving toward the Officer with head lowered.

JMO

No more than it supports the theory that he went down to his knees in surrender. Moreover, Baden found no evidence that the gunshots were fired at close range.
 
  • #806
My opinion is the protestors will not read this. This is a very sad case in so many ways. Have cable TV news stations reported this?

I don't have cable so I'm not sure. I gave up most of MSM a long time ago. They report what's best for their agenda and don't much care about the truth, IMO.

We'll see how they spin this one.
 
  • #807
It's also illegal to detain an innocent man without explaining his charges, beating him, and charging him with getting blood on officers clothes. It's perjury to sign a complainant that the man got blood on his clothes (the property damage charges) and then denying that any blood was transferred onto his clothing in his deposition. Weird how there's been a few Ferguson police slip ups against black men.

Which has no relevance whatsoever to the case at hand.
 
  • #808
Unsure if that is the official autopsy. There is usual quite a bit of narrative along with it and the ME's signature.

The article attributes it to Dr. Baden.
 
  • #809
I agree, but the message is getting lost, IMO- for both sides.

I agree so very much. This whole situation makes me fearful and sad and angry and a lot of other things.

I do not know that this officer acted properly. But I do not know that he did not. I am very interested in the facts coming out after the investigation of what has happened is complete and once a FULL investigation has been done and the public made aware of its result and process of arriving at it.

This ongoing strife and escalation and violence frightens me. The longer it goes on the less the odds IMO of getting a true unbiased result from the investigation because now its all about the politics of fear. Which often has nothing to do with the truth.

Just my own thoughts and concerns. I don't like that violence and fear can lead to a result that satisfies and calms an ongoing and escalating crisis for the sake of that goal alone.

I want the truth and whatever justice looks like once ascertained. Period.
 
  • #810
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/1...least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0&referrer=

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

So there you have it, he was NOT shot in the back. It seems he was facing the officer and likely charging towards him. The initial bullets were to the right arm which apparently did not stop him.


I bet this is what Crump was bracing his audience for.
 
  • #811
Four to his arm, two to the head. Fatal bullet into the top of his head, which tends to support the theory he was aggressively moving toward the Officer with head lowered.JMO

I thought people here were telling us that police are trained to shoot towards central mass. The head is central mass that needs to be shot at twice?
 
  • #812
Just to gain some perspective, I'd like everyone to please take a look...If this has already been discussed on another thread, I apologize for reposting...

In September of 2009, resident Henry Davis was wrongfully arrested, beaten, and charged with 4 counts of property damage for getting blood on officers clothes. They arrested the wrong Henry Davis, despite his continual statement that he was innocent. There was a warrant out for the arrest of a Henry Davis with a different middle name and social security number. After being taken to a cell officers continually beat him, kicked him in the head, slammed him against a brick wall, all while he was handcuffed and defenseless. “A female police officer got on Plaintiff’s back and handcuffed Plaintiff with Plaintiff’s arms behind his back and lying on his stomach,” the complaint continues. “Just before Plaintiff was picked up to his feet, Defendant White rushed in the cell a second time and kicked Plaintiff in the head while Plaintiff was lying on the floor and handcuffed with his arms behind his back.” “He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled, according to The Daily Beast. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.” Due to the graphic nature of the picture, I'll let you guys google it if you desire further proof. After posting bail, Davis sued. Magically police failed to produce the recorded footage because it there was somehow an error and cops failed to save the correct footage. Later the officers denied getting blood on their clothing which is perjury. Perjury, no matter who you are, is a felony. The prosecutor, Robert McCulloch, dropped the charges claiming Davis's concussion and split forehead were minimal and not worth prosecuting. The judge ruled in favor of the city and the case is currently being slated to go to the Eight Circuit Court of Appeals. When Davis's lawyer attempted to get the officers past offenses he ran into this: "He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports. “The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file." No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file." Therefore, if Wilson had any prior conviction of assault beyond 2010 we wouldn't be able to find it anyways.

Also worth noting..
"A St. Louis Post-Dispatch investigation in 2003 found that dozens of small police departments in the region suffered from poor training owing to a lack of funding, leading to inadequate investigations of complex crimes and an uneven use of force. The newspaper further found that this led to problematic officers moving easily between one city’s force to another without punishment."

Also worth noting again...
"St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley on Friday said he is leading an effort to remove the county prosecutor from investigating the Michael Brown case because he thinks the prosecutor’s personal experiences and recent statements have tainted his ability to act objectively.
Brown, a black 18-year-old, was fatally shot by Officer Darren Wilson last Saturday in Ferguson, Mo. Wilson is white. Dooley’s spokeswoman, Pat Washington, said there have been long-standing concerns among many black leaders in the community regarding County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch’s ability to handle such cases because his father was killed in the line of duty when McCulloch was 12 years old. The man who shot his father was black."


Does this mean Wilson is guilty? No. But it does hopefully give insight to the attitudes of Ferguson police and why the community is so angry. After reading this, I'm a little irritated myself. This doesn't make stealing okay. Or change the circumstances of the crime. But I hope it does explain why there is such little trust in the department.

Please supply links to the quoted articles. Thank you.
 
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The issue is larger than just the case of MB. Failure to understand that is part of what fuels the anger of the protestors.




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Agree with this...but, when will the protestors realize the people they should be angry with are some of the very "leaders" standing with them.
 
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I thought people here were telling us that police are trained to shoot towards central mass. The head is central mass that needs to be shot at twice?
Have you ever been in fear for your life and have to shoot at a huge moving target?
 
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I bet this is what Crump was bracing his audience for.


“The sheer number of bullets and the way they were scattered all over his body showed this police officer had a brazen disregard for the very people he was supposed to protect in that community,” Mr. Crump said. “We want to make sure people understand what this case is about: This case is about a police officer executing a young unarmed man in broad daylight.”


we all all see what we want to see. Smh

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/1...least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer=
 
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