MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #5

[CARIIS]

That was a stunning, beautifully written piece Honey. Just stunning !!

Originally Posted by ATasteOfHoney
Apollo-----there were many parts of the poster (#556) viewpoints I disagree with but most vehemently disagree with his/her views of assimilation of certain subsets gaining "entry" into a successful role within our society. Since the poster specifically mentioned my ancestry & assumed the ease of assimilation (which is not true---it was far from easy), I figured I'd go only as far as to say that I disagree.
Rather than looking at the statistics on subsets that have eventually assimilated with success, I feel the true learning & change comes from focusing on why certain subsets fail.

Anger at others that consumes the heart & soul eventually eats away at itself 'til there's only a shell of a human left standing. It may sound trite but peace is the only answer.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

We have great hopes the attorney general visit tomm will ease things. They are so disconnected. If every one of us stepped out for 15 minutes, did a on the street interview, I bet 99.9% have no idea who he is, what his job duties are and frankly could care less!


In fact in could flame the fires - these disenfrachised folks are really interested in listening to a cacasion, dude, from Wash, who arrives in limo, is wearing a $2054 suit, -- who is this populations enemy?

-What is the entire reason for the last 10 days?

Everything he is!

RBBM The Attorney General is black.

 

[Softail]

Holder brings his civil rights push to Ferguson

President Barack Obama is sending Holder to Ferguson to bring the full weight of the federal government into the investigation of the death of another young black man, Michael Brown, who was unarmed when a white police officer shot him multiple times Aug. 9

Shortly after taking office in February 2009, Holder called the United States "a nation of cowards" when it comes to talking about race in a Black History Month speech. Conservative backlash was swift. Holder quickly toned down his rhetoric while quietly rebuilding the division.

He used the Martin killing two years ago to criticize "stand your ground" gun laws in states like Florida. The Justice Department is investigating the 17-year-old's death but has yet to say if it will file federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who said he killed Martin in self-defense and was acquitted in a state trial.

Holder even partnered with the Education Department to try to change the so-called "school-to-prison pipeline," where minority children — especially black students — are suspended and expelled at a rate that's three times higher than that of white children.

http://news.yahoo.com/holder-brings...-202537812.html;_ylt=AwrTHRdgwPNTmQEAYMJXNyoA

:doh: A cluster indeed. He will only make everything worse! :notgood:

 

[Isabelle]

BBM

This is what I originally wrote with errors, I am not seeing where I assumed any ease. I meant to write:




I was getting tired and unconsciously self edited. I apologize for not being able to be more specific or acknowledge a larger time frame than even 2 generations in attaining relatively full assimilation. I didn't mean to minimize any specific ethnic group that faced obstacles or make sweeping generalizations, just to acknowledge that African-Americans have faced more obstacles and far longer than any other ethnic group outside of possibly Native Americans.

I have ancestors that came over as indentured servants, others were Cherokee and were forcibly removed from their ancestral homes, and others were Mormons that were kicked across the country until they settled down in Independence, Mo. in the middle of the 19th century. My family faced hardships in the Great Depression, fought in WW II, and served during Vietnam like many others in this country.

However, I don't think that compares to having your ancestors not allowed to read for centuries. Not allowed to vote in many instances until 50 years ago. Only allowed a small segment of jobs or places to live until relatively recently. Facing suspicion and distrust from your fellow Americans seemingly all the time. I didn't have an ancestor lynched 90 years ago destroying a family's forward growth. I didn't have a grandfather denied going to college to become a teacher due to the color of his skin. I didn't have a father serve 10 years on a drug charge impeding his ability to support my family and give me guidance as a young boy or teen.

Life is hard for everyone some more than others, I not denying that in anyway, but try and imagine your life with even more obstacles to attaining an education and employment. I can only speak for myself, but I would not welcome it.

-JMO

Almost unbelievable some of the restrictions that were imposed. Almost makes me ashamed to be a citizen. Luckily my parents were from countries whose inhabitants were color blind since that's the way I was raised.

 

[tlcya]

Is there anywhere to see a detailed diagram with photos or animation or rendering of Canfield and the shooting area so we could visualize the scene? Has anyone seen anything like that? It's confusing looking at the video from the aftermath with all other police cars.

Did the boys run from the car (after the initial altercation) in the same direction they were heading originally when they first encountered DW? That's how I picture it, but I've seen video taken from both sides of the street and can't get a clear picture in my head of how it all happened.

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Nope, and I doubt we will. Right now the press is too interested in the resulting unrest to bother to actually do any investigative reporting regarding the scene of the shooting or the participants behaviors during those fatal moments. The family sure won't want to see it because it IMO will not align with the version they are presenting and if authorities are doing it they won't be sharing it with the press or the public. all JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Exactly what I was saying - the last thing they need right now is someone from Washington-- its ludicrious!


We concur my friend!! They are so disconnected with what is going on here out to lunch or too busy lunching not sure which!!

Ease things? If he does that it will be a first. IMO, he is going there to gin things up.

 

[MyBelle]

Nope, and I doubt we will. Right now the press is too interested in the resulting unrest to bother to actually do any investigative reporting regarding the scene of the shooting or the participants behaviors during those fatal moments. The family sure won't want to see it because it IMO will not align with the version they are presenting and if authorities are doing it they won't be sharing it with the press or the public. all JMO

I think the press have embargoed information that they can not release until the embargo is lifted.

JMO

 

[Starry Night]

these disenfrachised folks are really interested in listening to a cacasion, dude, from Wash

so just change causasion to 'black' and then maybe we have the answer?

 

[Isabelle]

While traveling earlier to day I heard the report given by Josie, the friend of Wilson's SO and heard her say Brown punched Wilson in the face. This is first I heard of this, thought Brown pushed car door and that hit Wilson's face. Anyone else hear about Wilson being punched in the face?

 

[jggordo]

Speaking of the 911 call. Has anyone requested a "scanner rewind" of the time frame? It would be very interesting the scanner chatter from 11:45AM until 12:30PM on that Saturday. I believe the scanner would be on the St. Louis or Ferguson channels. A scanner thread would have to be set up here on WS and a WS member to do the rewind and transcribe.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Exactly what I was saying - the last thing they need right now is someone from Washington-- its ludicrious!


We concur my friend!! They are so disconnected with what is going on here out to lunch or too busy lunching not sure which!!

The feds did the same thing in the Zimmerman case. Shift the "blame" to the shoulders of the feds to help ease local tension.

JMO

 

[Starry Night]

Exactly what I was saying - the last thing they need right now is someone from Washington-- its ludicrious!


We concur my friend!! They are so disconnected with what is going on here out to lunch or too busy lunching not sure which!!

So now it is geographical profiling? Or did we elect them and place them there? Us disenfranchised folks already.

 

[Yoda]

However, I don't think that compares to having your ancestors not allowed to read for centuries. Not allowed to vote in many instances until 50 years ago. Only allowed a small segment of jobs or places to live until relatively recently. Facing suspicion and distrust from your fellow Americans seemingly all the time. I didn't have an ancestor lynched 90 years ago destroying a family's forward growth. I didn't have a grandfather denied going to college to become a teacher due to the color of his skin. I didn't have a father serve 10 years on a drug charge impeding his ability to support my family and give me guidance as a young boy or teen.
-JMO

Shortened by me

:seeya: Hi mdana. My response is not directed to you, just a thought I had.
As I read the above paragraph, the first thing that came into my mind was "this could describe what it was like being a female if a few words were changed." Jmo

 

[Tawny]

While traveling earlier to day I heard the report given by Josie, the friend of Wilson's SO and heard her say Brown punched Wilson in the face. This is first I heard of this, thought Brown pushed car door and that hit Wilson's face. Anyone else hear about Wilson being punched in the face?

I have heard both scenarios speculated, but for myself, I'm having a hard time picturing how the officer could have been hit in the face with the car door when he's still IN the vehicle. JMO.

 

[Sonya610]

Maybe they're taking a break from their jobs

Well it seems some are taking a break, either that or out protesting, not a lot of anti-Officer-Darren-Wilson opinions posted today.

 

[Lovejac]

This thread has been flying all day, so I am guessing lots of folks here aren't employed. Or are posting on breaks, or they work nights. Respectfully, lots of kinds of people have lots of different schedules, but I know what you mean...

I wanted to watch the FCA trial on TV soooo bad but had to work all day. So when I would see the video of people lined up to get into the courthouse every day, I would think "Dang! Don't these people have jobs?". :thinking:

Same with the Jodi Arias trial.

*grumbling*"Stupid work, ruining my trial watching"......

Working mom of 3, with 2 jobs, Eastern time zone :wink:

 

[MyBelle]

While traveling earlier to day I heard the report given by Josie, the friend of Wilson's SO and heard her say Brown punched Wilson in the face. This is first I heard of this, thought Brown pushed car door and that hit Wilson's face. Anyone else hear about Wilson being punched in the face?

I think both things happened: Brown pushed against the car door to keep Officer Wilson from opening it AND he punched him in the face. It isn't a coincidence that Brown's hand received a gunshot wound, imo.

 

[Isabelle]

Shortened by me

:seeya: Hi mdana. My response is not directed to you, just a thought I had.
As I read the above paragraph, the first thing that came into my mind was "this could describe what it was like being a female if a few words were changed." Jmo

Being female doesn't even come close. Check out Jim Crow if you have time and laws of segregation. I knew of some elements, but was floored by what I didn't know.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I have heard both scenarios speculated, but for myself, I'm having a hard time picturing how the officer could have been hit in the face with the car door when he's still IN the vehicle. JMO.

If I remember correctly. The friend with Michael Brown said Wilson opened his door roughly and almost hit them and the car door Rikashed back and I think Wilsons friend said(not sure) he was pushed back into the car by Brown. I'm not sure if I heard all this correctly. Alot of things are being deleted every where. I have to keep finding the information again else where and some things we are not allowed to post here.

 

[Isabelle]

I have heard both scenarios speculated, but for myself, I'm having a hard time picturing how the officer could have been hit in the face with the car door when he's still IN the vehicle. JMO.

He may have been trying to get out of his car.