MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #5

[BayouBelle_LA]

Interactive Map of Shooting, Looting and Violence

http://www.kmov.com/home/Interactive-Map-of-Shooting-Looting-and-VIolence-270801281.html

You can see a picture if you click on locations - Appears to be nothing left in the T mobile store, except a few cell phone cases. jmo

 

[Phoebeb]

Police should drop leaflets over Ferguson with the definition of peaceful protest and to explain that protests may need to be shut down due to the element that is causing problems and that the troublemakers are the reason for shutting down protests if necessary, reason is not police denying anyone rights. Explain that this is a a public safety issue, not anything else.

I really don't understand why the authorities have been treating the demonstrators with kid gloves. It's one thing to have a peaceful demonstration but this one has gone on for more than a week at a huge cost of resources, money and the livelihood of businesses. I just don't get why they have let this get so out of hand.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Interactive Map of Shooting, Looting and Violence

http://www.kmov.com/home/Interactive-Map-of-Shooting-Looting-and-VIolence-270801281.html

You can see a picture if you click on locations - Appears to be nothing left in the T mobile store, except a few cell phone cases. jmo

Wow!!!




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[MyBelle]

Exactly-- Mark O'Mara was on CNN earlier today and specifically referenced the witnesses stories. While he didn't disparage or counter their accounts, he did remind us that the shooting itself probably only took 2-3 seconds tops. And in my mind, the entire encounter was probably less than a minute.

I agree. I think there is no way more than 30 seconds elapsed. Those 6 shots were in rapid succession.

JMO

 

[CARIIS]

I think lots of people saw "stuff" but after all the questions that need to be answered had transpired

I think she saw something ..but her interpretation is biased. She's not objective. She's telling her truth...and her minds filling in details.


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[Linda7NJ]

There a huge community outreach done where I live. Police visit schools, bike through neighborhoods, are super kid friendly.
That's the reason my own son wants a career in law enforcement.
The out reach officers set up speed traps in my residential neighborhood and allowed my kid to use the radar gun....they have junior police academy, many are community coaches.
Kids here...of all races seem to really look up to law enforcement.
Our police force is also very diversified ...probably because they are so successful building relationships with the youth.


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[katydid23]

Just saw a report on CNN about the attorney General, Holder, going to have a visit with the Brown family tomorrow. I bet my bottom dollar that he is going to 'promise' them that he will get an arrest for them.

 

[jggordo]

This is one of the few cases where I have seen "witnesses" lawyer up before giving witness reports. The kid that was with the victim never mentioned they had just jacked the convenience store just before the killing when giving his first account. But by the time for the next interview he had an attorney by his side and was speaking in "legal ease" language. A young man lost his life. I get that. But to prior to calling a funeral home to fly in an attorney from the east coast and immediately demand the DOJ come in (or else) make accusations of "execution" I don't get. And now the Attorney General is flying in. The family attorney is now saying anything negative about MB is destroying his "legacy". What "legacy" ?

JMO's

 

[Lovejac]

Yep, last night on NG the Brown family attorney called it "more than a tussle"


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I call it assault on a police officer, but that's just me

 

[Really?]

Couldn't stop watching last night, and some things I saw angered me while some touched my heart.

One very angry man was actually yelling at protestors and was quite aggressive, as the protesters were joined arm in arm, black and white. One of the protestors calmed the man, actually by yelling at him and put his arm around him and made him join in walking arm and arm with the group. That was touching.

Another guy tried to get in the face of a reporter(this was on fox) and I thought surely it was going to end badly, however, the reporter turned it into an interview. Which was positive. But the ignorance shown while the young man answered was so frustrating. He honestly couldn't answer definitively what he wanted to happen as a result of the protest. Just said he would be there all night, every night. And I think that is the case with a lot of the angry individuals. They are mad, not just about MB, perhaps least mad about MB. But the chip they have on their shoulder is unrecognized, and they have actually no game plan for change. THAT is frustrating. If you protest you should have clear, defined examples of why you are there and what you want.

And I grew up from about age 15-23ish, very much involved with mainstream rappers(my bf worked in the industry with some of the biggest rappers). The message that any kids listening to that music is to hate cops, blow money, never snitch, never backdown. And even though it's just music, anything repeated to you enough becomes part of your belief system, especially during an age where kids are so easily molded. I think so many kids, not just young black men, truly do not value themselves as an individual and believe they owe nothing to society. It is a take take take mentality, everyone owes them something. Yet they contribute nothing.

No self esteem, no emotional intelligence and trapped in a culture which tells them they are victims will always lead to anger and resentment. These kids need to know they are more than their skin color, more than their socioeconomic group and that they are valued and have so much to give. But first, and this is a universal truth for ALL people, you must demand more of yourself before you demand more of others.

All MOO/IMO.

Whoa.... Much thanks for your post !!! Spot on

 

[Lovejac]

Or anything by justin beiber?




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That would be over-the-line torture

 

[Phoebeb]

Is there anywhere to see a detailed diagram with photos or animation or rendering of Canfield and the shooting area so we could visualize the scene? Has anyone seen anything like that? It's confusing looking at the video from the aftermath with all other police cars.

Did the boys run from the car (after the initial altercation) in the same direction they were heading originally when they first encountered DW? That's how I picture it, but I've seen video taken from both sides of the street and can't get a clear picture in my head of how it all happened.

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Interactive Map of Shooting, Looting and Violence

http://www.kmov.com/home/Interactive-Map-of-Shooting-Looting-and-VIolence-270801281.html

You can see a picture if you click on locations - Appears to be nothing left in the T mobile store, except a few cell phone cases. jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Didn't she say she was getting ready for work and the gunshot was what originally caught her attention?

Yep and that would have been the gunshot to MB's hand. She said she looked out the window and then ran to get her phone and that took about 30 seconds. She made no mention of seeing blood on MB's shirt or hand. There is simply no way she saw him with his hands in the air and didn't notice blood. Even the attny on NG last night admitted it was a significant gash.

JMO

 

[Starry Night]

cnn article
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[CARIIS]

Great post at this point is worht a try all official are doing the same stuff pleading for no violence well that aint working next step

Police should drop leaflets over Ferguson with the definition of peaceful protest and to explain that protests may need to be shut down due to the element that is causing problems and that the troublemakers are the reason for shutting down protests if necessary, reason is not police denying anyone rights. Explain that this is a a public safety issue, not anything else.

 

[Lovejac]

Derek McGinty ‏@mcgintyman 38m
I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. http://wapo.st/1n4PsJ3 via @washingtonpost good advice, but chafes anyhow.

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

It’s not the police, but the people they stop, who can prevent a detention from turning into a tragedy.

No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/

Surely they're not talking about **gasp** taking personal responsibility!?

 

[Phoebeb]

I would have not walked away if I was witnessing this, not to get my purse (isn't that what she said she went to get?) and not to get anything. But that's me.

In an interview I saw yesterday, she claims she saw it happen and then turned away for about 30 seconds to get her phone. That 30 seconds is a long time in an event that probably unfolded entirely in less than that. There is no way she saw it happen.

JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Anchor on CNN is asking if this is being handled correctly?

what planet is she on?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Couldn't stop watching last night, and some things I saw angered me while some touched my heart.

One very angry man was actually yelling at protestors and was quite aggressive, as the protesters were joined arm in arm, black and white. One of the protestors calmed the man, actually by yelling at him and put his arm around him and made him join in walking arm and arm with the group. That was touching.

Another guy tried to get in the face of a reporter(this was on fox) and I thought surely it was going to end badly, however, the reporter turned it into an interview. Which was positive. But the ignorance shown while the young man answered was so frustrating. He honestly couldn't answer definitively what he wanted to happen as a result of the protest. Just said he would be there all night, every night. And I think that is the case with a lot of the angry individuals. They are mad, not just about MB, perhaps least mad about MB. But the chip they have on their shoulder is unrecognized, and they have actually no game plan for change. THAT is frustrating. If you protest you should have clear, defined examples of why you are there and what you want.

And I grew up from about age 15-23ish, very much involved with mainstream rappers(my bf worked in the industry with some of the biggest rappers). The message that any kids listening to that music is to hate cops, blow money, never snitch, never backdown. And even though it's just music, anything repeated to you enough becomes part of your belief system, especially during an age where kids are so easily molded. I think so many kids, not just young black men, truly do not value themselves as an individual and believe they owe nothing to society. It is a take take take mentality, everyone owes them something. Yet they contribute nothing.

No self esteem, no emotional intelligence and trapped in a culture which tells them they are victims will always lead to anger and resentment. These kids need to know they are more than their skin color, more than their socioeconomic group and that they are valued and have so much to give. But first, and this is a universal truth for ALL people, you must demand more of yourself before you demand more of others.

All MOO/IMO.

Brilliant post!

ding ding -- we have a winner!

Thank you !!! :loveyou:

 

[Lovejac]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 5m
Police just shut down Carondelet Ave in front of Justice Center. via @JeffBernthal

The irony of the location is not lost on me :thinking: