MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #5

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Holder brings his civil rights push to Ferguson

President Barack Obama is sending Holder to Ferguson to bring the full weight of the federal government into the investigation of the death of another young black man, Michael Brown, who was unarmed when a white police officer shot him multiple times Aug. 9

Shortly after taking office in February 2009, Holder called the United States "a nation of cowards" when it comes to talking about race in a Black History Month speech. Conservative backlash was swift. Holder quickly toned down his rhetoric while quietly rebuilding the division.

He used the Martin killing two years ago to criticize "stand your ground" gun laws in states like Florida. The Justice Department is investigating the 17-year-old's death but has yet to say if it will file federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who said he killed Martin in self-defense and was acquitted in a state trial.

Holder even partnered with the Education Department to try to change the so-called "school-to-prison pipeline," where minority children — especially black students — are suspended and expelled at a rate that's three times higher than that of white children.

http://news.yahoo.com/holder-brings...-202537812.html;_ylt=AwrTHRdgwPNTmQEAYMJXNyoA

What I don't understand is on what basis the DOJ could lay Federal charges? From my understanding the Feds can only lay charges if they believe a civil rights violation occurred. There is no evidence that this was a racially motivated killing. Michael Brown was not killed because he was black. Federal charges can be brought in cases of police brutality but it is becoming clearly obvious that this was a justified self-defense killing. When Holder meets with MB's parents tomorrow will he level with them and explain that there is no basis for laying federal charges?
 
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I think Fry daddy said it better than I ever could. But when I saw your post what follows are the thought that ran thro my mind then I saw his/her post and thought gosh I agree. It was all so one sided, and in spite of info that is contrary has been frustrating. In addition dispite additionial info lots of folks are still protesting the same notions based on info that is slowly unraveling. Let me tall ya up till 24 hours ago I thought it was overkill by the officer. But when new compelling logical info came out I HAD to change my intial notions regarding the info out there a week ago. From Fry Daddy :
I upset a lot of LE friends and family last Sunday because I thought the cop snapped. Then Mike's image came into question, found out the robbery was 10-15 minutes previous. Cop's side came out. Heard some interviews that made no sense. Suddenly, it seemed we were somewhat manipulated by those quick to blame Wilson

Wow, just getting caught up. Very interesting to me is the condemnation from the majority of WS'ers towards this young man that was killed. Why is there such a hate on for this kid? There are NO answers right now, nobody knows what went down, if you are one of the many in here that seems to be filled with so much rage towards this boy, maybe you should really take some time and ask yourself why? Where is that hate coming from? .... Very strange reaction here IMO
 
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Being female doesn't even come close. Check out Jim Crow if you have time and laws of segregation. I knew of some elements, but was floored by what I didn't know.
I'm not sure I can agree with it not coming close, but I respect your opinion. Jmo
 
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my take was he tried to get out, and he thought the cop was getting out of the car casue he just shoplifted, which freaked him out, slammed him back into the car and then the tussle IN the car happended. That is how I visualized it in my IMO

He may have been trying to get out of his car.
 
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What I don't understand is on what basis the DOJ could lay Federal charges? From my understanding the Feds can only lay charges if they believe a civil rights violation occurred. There is no evidence that this was a racially motivated killing. Michael Brown was not killed because he was black. Federal charges can be brought in cases of police brutality but it is becoming clearly obvious that this was a justified self-defense killing. When Holder meets with MB's parents tomorrow will he level with them and explain that there is no basis for laying federal charges?

I don't believe there is any basis whatsoever. He will make something up like he always does. :rolleyes: This is all political. IMO. And a bunch of BS... IMO. And a shame. :notgood:
 
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So, if the Officer had JUST swung his door open and it bounced back off of Brown to hit the Officer in the face, did he even have time to make it far enough out of the vehicle to get hit in the face? I'm sure it's possible, I'm just struggling trying to picture it, especially with it being an SUV and not a car. Hopefully that info comes out soon.
 
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What I don't understand is on what basis the DOJ could lay Federal charges? From my understanding the Feds can only lay charges if they believe a civil rights violation occurred. There is no evidence that this was a racially motivated killing. Michael Brown was not killed because he was black. Federal charges can be brought in cases of police brutality but it is becoming clearly obvious that this was a justified self-defense killing. When Holder meets with MB's parents tomorrow will he level with them and explain that there is no basis for laying federal charges?

Sorry for the confusion. I was quoting an article about the background of the Attorney General. The federal civil rights charges I was referring to was against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case.
 
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WOW. TMZ is even shaming the media.....

Michael Brown Killing -- Shame On the Media ... Surveillance Video is Relevant

Read more: http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/201...surveillance-video-is-relevant/#ixzz3AsZRlSZc
Follow us: @fishwrapped on Twitter

I've not heard any main stream media even suggest the surveillance video isn't relevant.

Good 'ol TMZ, a tabloid who thinks it is okay to stalk celebrities and their children with cameras, really shouldn't be pointing fingers.
 
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I don't know how LE is in your location. But where I live if a police cruiser pulls up on you and rolls down the window, you'd better be respectful first of all. Secondly if he (she) goes to get out of the vehicle, and you shove the door on him (her) and try to restrain them from getting out of their patrol car. Then to add insult to that by either grabbing for a LE gun or punch a cop in the face or both, I can tell it's going to BE ON! JMO

In Columbia, MO by November all local police will be wearing body cams to be activated any time an officer has public contact.
 
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T O T A L L Y if there is anything left after tongiht . A can of gasoline on an Deep Water Horiizon!

:doh: A cluster indeed. He will only make everything worse! :notgood:
 
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Wow, just getting caught up. Very interesting to me is the condemnation from the majority of WS'ers towards this young man that was killed. Why is there such a hate on for this kid? There are NO answers right now, nobody knows what went down, if you are one of the many in here that seems to be filled with so much rage towards this boy, maybe you should really take some time and ask yourself why? Where is that hate coming from? .... Very strange reaction here IMO

I don't see RAGE towards the kid. I see a huge overreaction :overreaction: by an uninformed community jumping to conclusions. All of the facts are not known yet. I see people voicing opinions based on what we know so far.

I don't see any hate here at WS towards MB. I will however add that he did rob a store, and there is video to prove it. He is certainly not an angel. IMO.... :notgood: Did he deserve to die? I didn't say that either.

I may change my opinion when all the facts come out. Until then, I'm not willing to jump to conclusions. :)

I've said it before, if you don't want to be in trouble with the police, STAY out of trouble. :snooty:
 
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I've not heard any main stream media even suggest the surveillance video isn't relevant.

Good 'ol TMZ, a tabloid who thinks it is okay to stalk celebrities and their children with cameras, really shouldn't be pointing fingers.

There was a coordinated effort yesterday by some blogs to say that MB actually paid for the cigars. They are getting desperate because they know the facts are not looking good for him.
 
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Being female doesn't even come close. Check out Jim Crow if you have time and laws of segregation. I knew of some elements, but was floored by what I didn't know.

I disagree. And I think any black woman would vehemently disagree with you. Black men were given the right to vote in 1870. Women of any color were denied the right to vote until 1920.

It's also a moot point. This Missouri case has nothing to do with race.

JMO
 
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O/T sorry omg

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Check out Jim Crow if you have time and laws of segregation. I knew of some elements, but was floored by what I didn't know.


Uhhh...are you saying Jim Crow laws had something to do with MB being shot? If so please explain.

Oh wait, you may have meant the crime stats in the South that precipitated Jim Crow laws.
 
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[ETA OT is anyone else having problems with the wrong quotes appearing with their use of the reply with quote feature?]

better drag out the scarves coats and mittens folks. Hell hath just frozen over. I am in agreement with Harvey Levin and TMZ

:scared:

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(been on the road for mtgs). This is the statute:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c200-299/2110000321.htm

I will excerpt relevant parts:

Juvenile court records, confidentiality, exceptions--records of peace officers, exceptions, release of certain information to victim.

211.321. 1. Records of juvenile court proceedings as well as all information obtained and social records prepared in the discharge of official duty for the court shall not be open to inspection or their contents disclosed, except by order of the court to persons having a legitimate interest therein, unless a petition or motion to modify is sustained which charges the child with an offense which, if committed by an adult, would be a class A felony under the criminal code of Missouri, or capital murder, first degree murder, or second degree murder or except as provided in subsection 2 of this section. In addition, whenever a report is required under section 557.026, there shall also be included a complete list of certain violations of the juvenile code for which the defendant had been adjudicated a delinquent while a juvenile. This list shall be made available to the probation officer and shall be included in the presentence report. The violations to be included in the report are limited to the following: rape, sodomy, murder, kidnapping, robbery, arson, burglary or any acts involving the rendering or threat of serious bodily harm. The supreme court may promulgate rules to be followed by the juvenile courts in separating the records.

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(2) After a child has been adjudicated delinquent pursuant to subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of section 211.031, for an offense which would be a felony if committed by an adult, the records of the dispositional hearing and proceedings related thereto shall be open to the public to the same extent that records of criminal proceedings are open to the public. However, the social summaries, investigations or updates in the nature of presentence investigations, and status reports submitted to the court by any treating agency or individual after the dispositional order is entered shall be kept confidential and shall be opened to inspection only by order of the judge of the juvenile court;

(3) As otherwise provided by statute;

(4) In all other instances, only by order of the judge of the juvenile court.

3. Peace officers' records, if any are kept, of children shall be kept separate from the records of persons seventeen years of age or over and shall not be open to inspection or their contents disclosed, except by order of the court. This subsection does not apply to children who are transferred to courts of general jurisdiction as provided by section 211.071 or to juveniles convicted under the provisions of sections 578.421 to 578.437. This subsection does not apply to the inspection or disclosure of the contents of the records of peace officers for the purpose of pursuing a civil forfeiture action pursuant to the provisions of section 195.140.

5. The court may, either on its own motion or upon application by the child or his representative, or upon application by the juvenile officer, enter an order to destroy all social histories, records, and information, other than the official court file, and may enter an order to seal the official court file, as well as all peace officers' records, at any time after the child has reached his seventeenth birthday if the court finds that it is in the best interest of the child that such action or any part thereof be taken, unless the jurisdiction of the court is continued beyond the child's seventeenth birthday, in which event such action or any part thereof may be taken by the court at any time after the closing of the child's case.

6. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the release of general information regarding the informal adjustment or formal adjudication of the disposition of a child's case to a victim or a member of the immediate family of a victim of any offense committed by the child. Such general information shall not be specific as to location and duration of treatment or detention or as to any terms of supervision.

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(L. 1957 p. 642 § 211.310, A.L. 1969 H.B. 227, A.L. 1980 S.B. 512, A.L. 1989 H.B. 502, et al., A.L. 1993 H.B. 562, A.L. 1994 S.B. 595, A.L. 1995 H.B. 174, et al., A.L. 2004 H.B. 1453

So, court records can't be obtained, except by court order, to persons having a legitimate interest. If a child is charged with an offense which would be a class A if committed by an adult, murder in the first, second degree or capital murder, the records may be obtained. Moreover, after a child has been adjudicated delinquent for an offense which would be a felony if committed by an adult, the records are to be open to the public to the same extent that records of adult criminal proceedings are open to the public.




IMO THe whole key to this angle is in Miss are juv records sealed peroid OR can they be released it varies from location to location and history 18 past would be juv
 
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