MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #6

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  • #621
Thank you, Tim, for being boots-on-the-ground, in-the-middle-of-the-fray reporting as opposed to the bigger outlets who are hanging out near the safety zone. Without you, we would never really know what was happening.
 
  • #622
wow tim just got told to get his a$$ back to curb or he is going with the police
 
  • #623
I am so glad that you remember this -- it seems like nobody does. There were 20 000 LE deployed there, which totally dwarfs the protest in MO.

But what a waste of time and resources. How much money are they burning up, sending out all those employees, 7 nights a week, on overtime?
 
  • #624
leaders are pushing agitators out. saying get his a@@ outta here
 
  • #625
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  • #626
That and it's different than a blog or whatnot, you are seeing live footage. It's live as you are seeing it, so it's not hearsay, or opinion so to speak.
 
  • #627
Originally Posted by mdana

mdana said:
BBM

This is what I originally wrote with errors, I am not seeing where I assumed any ease. I meant to write:




I was getting tired and unconsciously self edited. I apologize for not being able to be more specific or acknowledge a larger time frame than even 2 generations in attaining relatively full assimilation. I didn't mean to minimize any specific ethnic group that faced obstacles or make sweeping generalizations, just to acknowledge that African-Americans have faced more obstacles and far longer than any other ethnic group outside of possibly Native Americans.

I have ancestors that came over as indentured servants, others were Cherokee and were forcibly removed from their ancestral homes, and others were Mormons that were kicked across the country until they settled down in Independence, Mo. in the middle of the 19th century. My family faced hardships in the Great Depression, fought in WW II, and served during Vietnam like many others in this country.

However, I don't think that compares to having your ancestors not allowed to read for centuries. Not allowed to vote in many instances until 50 years ago. Only allowed a small segment of jobs or places to live until relatively recently. Facing suspicion and distrust from your fellow Americans seemingly all the time. I didn't have an ancestor lynched 90 years ago destroying a family's forward growth. I didn't have a grandfather denied going to college to become a teacher due to the color of his skin. I didn't have a father serve 10 years on a drug charge impeding his ability to support my family and give me guidance as a young boy or teen.

Life is hard for everyone some more than others, I not denying that in anyway, but try and imagine your life with even more obstacles to attaining an education and employment. I can only speak for myself, but I would not welcome it.

-JMO

mdna:
Thank you for your thoughtful and articulate response and corrections to your original post.
I must keep my response short and sweet or face encroaching the TOS and that would be a bad thing as I love this forum.

May I suggest that you re-trace the datelines of some of the events for accuracy that I have boldened in your above post.
And if you chose to do so, then I have a simple question to ask: what does all of that long ago yesteryear history have to do with today? How relevant is it to today's lifestyle and how is that impacting the actions of today in a real sense? Historically, there has been **genocide** committed against certain subsets and yet we don't hear their harshness or feel and see their anger.

In reality, our **behavior today** builds our future tomorrow.

moo

I wrote all that on memory:

1.
Poll Tax

In U.S. practice, a poll tax was used as a de facto or implicit pre-condition of the exercise of the ability to vote. This tax emerged in some states of the United States in the late 19th century as part of the Jim Crow laws. After the ability to vote was extended to all races by the enactment of the Fifteenth Amendment, many Southern states enacted poll tax laws as a means of restricting eligible voters; such laws often included a grandfather clause, which allowed any adult male whose father or grandfather had voted in a specific year prior to the abolition of slavery to vote without paying the tax. These laws, along with unfairly implemented literacy tests and extra-legal intimidation,[1] achieved the desired effect of disfranchising African-American and Native American voters, as well as poor whites.

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Although largely associated with states of the former Confederacy, poll taxes were also in place in other states. For instance, California had a poll tax until 1914 when it was abolished through a popular referendum.

Initially, the United States Supreme Court, in the case of Breedlove v. Suttles, 302 U.S. 277 (1937), found the poll tax to be constitutional. The 24th Amendment, ratified in 1964, reflecting a political compromise, abolished the use of the poll tax (or any other tax) as a pre-condition for voting in federal elections, but made no mention of poll taxes in state elections.

In the 1966 case of Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, the Supreme Court overruled its decision in Breedlove v. Suttles, and extended the prohibition of poll taxes to state elections. It declared that the imposition of a poll tax in state elections violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

The Harper ruling was one of several that rely on the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment rather than the more direct provision of the 15th Amendment. In a two-month period in the spring of 1966, Federal courts declared unconstitutional poll tax laws in the last four states to have them, starting with Texas on 9 February. Decisions followed for Alabama (3 March) and Virginia (25 March). Mississippi's $2.00 poll tax (equal to $14.54 in 2013) was the last to fall, declared unconstitutional on 8 April 1966, by a federal panel in Jackson, Mississippi.[2] Virginia attempted to partially abolish its poll tax by requiring a residence certification, but the Supreme Court did not accept this.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(United_States)

Literacy Tests

Southern state legislatures employed literacy tests as part of the voter registration process starting in the late 19th century.

Literacy tests, along with poll taxes and extra-legal intimidation,[6] were used to deny suffrage to African-Americans. The first formal voter literacy tests were introduced in 1890.

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The Voting Rights Act of 1965 suspended the use of literacy tests in all states or political subdivisions in which less than 50 percent of voting-age residents were registered as of November 1, 1964, or had voted in the 1964 presidential election. In a series of cases, the Supreme Court of the United States upheld the legislation[9] and restricted the use of literacy tests for non-English-speaking citizens, Katzenbach v. Morgan. Since the passage of this legislation, black registration in the South has increased substantially.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_tests

Voting Rights Act of 1965

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. §§ 1973–1973bb-1)[7]:372 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting.[/B][8][9] It was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson during the height of the American Civil Rights Movement on August 6, 1965, and Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.[8] Designed to enforce the voting rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Act allowed for a mass enfranchisement of racial minorities throughout the country, especially in the South. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Act is considered to be the most effective piece of civil rights legislation ever enacted in the country.[10]

The Act contains numerous provisions that regulate the administration of elections. The Act's "general provisions" provide nationwide protections for voting rights. Section 2, for instance, prohibits any state or local government from imposing any voting law that results in discrimination against racial or language minorities. Additionally, the Act specifically outlaws literacy tests and similar devices that were historically used to disenfranchise racial minorities.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965


2.
Redlining

Redlining is the practice of denying, or charging more for, services such as banking, insurance,[2] access to health care,[3] or even supermarkets,[4] or denying jobs to residents in particular, often racially determined,[5] areas. The term "redlining" was coined in the late 1960s by John McKnight, a sociologist and community activist.[6] It refers to the practice of marking a red line on a map to delineate the area where banks would not invest; later the term was applied to discrimination against a particular group of people (usually by race or sex) irrespective of geography.

During the heyday of redlining, the areas most frequently discriminated against were black inner city neighborhoods. For example, in Atlanta in the 1980s, a Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles by investigative-reporter Bill Dedman showed that banks would often lend to lower-income whites but not to middle- or upper-income blacks.

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In the United States, the Fair Housing Act of 1968 was passed to fight the practice. It prohibited redlining when the criteria are based on race, religion, sex, familial status, disability, or ethnic origin. The Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity was tasked with administering and enforcing this law. Anyone who suspects that their neighborhood has been redlined is able to file a housing discrimination complaint. The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 further required banks to apply the same lending criteria in all communities.[18] Although open redlining was made illegal in the 70s through community reinvestment legislation, the practice may have continued in less overt ways.[11] AIDS activists allege redlining of health insurance against the LGBT community in response to the AIDS crisis.[19][dubious ]

ShoreBank, a community-development bank in Chicago's South Shore neighborhood, was a part of the private-sector fight against redlining.[20] Founded in 1973, ShoreBank sought to combat racist lending practices in Chicago's African-American communities by providing financial services, especially mortgage loans, to local residents.[21] In a 1992 speech, then-Presidential candidate Bill Clinton called ShoreBank "the most important bank in America."[20] On August 20, 2010, the bank was declared insolvent, closed by regulators and most of its assets were acquired by Urban Partnership Bank.

Current Issues

Dan Immergluck writes that in 2002 small businesses in black neighborhoods received fewer loans, even after accounting for business density, business size, industrial mix, neighborhood income, and the credit quality of local businesses.[22] Gregory D. Squires wrote in 2003 that data showed that race continues to affect the policies and practices of the insurance industry.[23] Workers living in American inner cities have more difficulty finding jobs than do suburban workers.[24] Redlining has helped preserve segregated living patterns for blacks and whites in the United States, as discrimination is often contingent on the racial composition of neighborhoods and the race of the applicant. Lending institutions such as Wells Fargo have been shown to treat black mortgage applicants differently when they are buying homes in white neighborhoods than when buying homes in black neighborhoods.[8][9][25]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

3.
Lynching

Lynching, the practice of killing people by extrajudicial mob action, occurred in the United States chiefly from the late 18th century through the 1960s. Lynchings took place most frequently against African-American men in the Southern US from 1890 to the 1920s with a peak in 1892. Lynchings were also very common in the Old West, where victims were primarily men of Mexican and Chinese minorities, although whites were also lynched.[1]

Lynching in the South is associated with the imposition of white supremacy by whites in the late 19th century following Reconstruction. The granting of U.S. Constitutional rights to freedmen after the American Civil War during the Reconstruction era (1865–1877) aroused anxieties among white Southerners, who were not ready to concede such social status to African Americans.

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More than 85 percent of the estimated 5,000 lynchings in the post-Civil War period occurred in the Southern states. 1892 was a peak year when 161 African Americans were lynched. The passage of Jim Crow laws, beginning in the 1890s, completed the revival of white supremacy in the South. Terror and lynching were used to enforce both these formal laws and a variety of unwritten rules of conduct meant to assert white domination. In most years from 1889 to 1923, 50 to 100 lynchings occurred annually across the South.

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In Duluth, Minnesota, on June 15, 1920, three young African-American traveling circus workers were lynched after having been accused of having raped a white woman and jailed pending a grand jury. A physician's subsequent examination of the woman found no evidence of rape or assault. The alleged "motive" and action by a mob were consistent with the "community policing" model. The book, The Lynchings in Duluth (2000) by Michael Fedo has documented the events.[31]

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Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882. To quote the report,

"Except for 1955, when three lynchings were reported in Mississippi, none has been recorded at Tuskegee since 1951. In 1945, 1947, and 1951, only one case per year was reported. The most recent case reported by the institute as a lynching was that of Emmett Till, 14, a Negro who was beaten, shot to death, and thrown into a river at Greenwood, Mississippi on August 28, 1955...For a period of 65 years ending in 1947, at least one lynching was reported each year. The most for any year was 231 in 1892. From 1882 to 1901, lynchings averaged more than 150 a year. Since 1924, lynchings have been in a marked decline, never more than 30 cases, which occurred in 1926..."[58]

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Not all lynchings in the United States were targeted against African Americans. Between 1882 and 1968, the Tuskegee Institute recorded 1,297 lynchings of whites as well as the 3,446 lynchings of African Americans during that period.[8][21] By the 1890s and after the start of the 20th century, the vast majority of those lynched were Black people,[22] including at least 159 women.[23] Lynchings of other minority members, such as Mexicans and Chinese, have been shown to have been undercounted in the Tuskegee Institute's records.[24] One of the largest mass lynchings in American history involved eleven Italian immigrants in New Orleans, Louisiana, in 1891.[25]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

4. Access to Higher Education

My grandfather graduated in 1940.

University of Missouri Significant Dates

1839 - University established in Columbia.
1868 - Women admitted for the first time. (Yoda)
1950 - The university admitted its first black students.



http://www.umsystem.edu/ums/about/history/

You called into question my post, <modsnip>

<modsnip>

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."

Upton Sinclair
US novelist & socialist politician (1878 - 1968)

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/34069.html
 
  • #628
Someone singing, "We want we want justice...justice" to the tune of "We Will Rock You"
 
  • #629
What's so difficult to understand about why there's a problem with young black men in America?

For the past 10 days, we've had a predominantly black population openly defying law enforcement, with no consequences.

What kind of example is being set for those young black men to follow?
 
  • #630
Starry I am not sure what you mean by nonsense, but we are only trying to provide what is happening live, through civilian journalists.....
 
  • #631
That and it's different than a blog or whatnot, you are seeing live footage. It's live as you are seeing it, so it's not hearsay, or opinion so to speak.

Correct. It is not a blog. Perhaps the fact that the link is through YouTube is confusing?
 
  • #632
you better tell the truth. Lying to the feds is a serious crime. Ask Martha Stewart about good ole 18 USC 1001. It's actually a pretty scary statute. The statement doesn't even have to made to a federal official becasue it's about statement made about anything in the jurisdiction of the federal government.

I was suspicious about DJ recanting but if 1001 is involved I can see it happening. I'm sure he didn't know anything about this stautute but I bet his attorney explained it to him. The mention of this statute could also alter the testimony of other witnesses. If they aren't being completely honest, they might want to rethink that, asap.

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  • #633
I was scanning earlier, no idea what time or page it was posted on, but didn't someone say that a protester telegraphed or outright said trouble was coming and to get the women and children out?

I had to skip out after that... Does it look like that's related to the apparent escalation we're seeing now?
 
  • #634
Amnesty International is "getting out."
 
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  • #636
lost my feeds ughhhhhhhhhhhh
 
  • #637
Lost Tim


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  • #638
its back
 
  • #639
Having an ambulance come through.
 
  • #640
ambulance coming through
 
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