MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #6

[Lovejac]

I hope I remember to check the transcript for Dr. Drew's show tonight.

That woman made the most sense of any TH I've seen since this mess started.

 

[Wysteria]

Again, have Mods or Admin stated who we can consider the victim here?

I have never read a thread where there was so much leeway allowed on a deceased person without them having been named a POI or perp.

That has not happened here. I have asked mods several times about what is allowed, since this thread is obviously not like the others, but I have had no reply.

I wanted to just keep quiet, but this is just over the top. And it makes no sense. In one case a dead child's convicted molester dad is off limits because he is a victim. Why isn't MB afforded the same consideration?

Neither has been convicted in their relevant cases. But MB's juvie record is talked about often, where the SO dad and whole family is protected from any speculation or discussion.

I really want to know why?

Sorry if this is against TOS, but I asked for help and got no answer, and I went back and read the rules, and this thread is not compliant, IMO.

I hope I don't get TO'd. I really did ask, and read and re-read the rules. I just don't get it.

I think that so far we have been asked to not discuss the parents.
I haven't gotten into any trouble voicing my opinion regarding who I think the true victims are in this incident; the LEO and the shopkeeper.

 

[Zuri]

Second, a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued.
The democratically elected St. Louis County prosecutor and the Attorney General of the United States, each have a job to do. Their obligation to achieve justice in the shooting death of Michael Brown must be carried out thoroughly, promptly, and correctly; and I call upon them to meet those expectations.

Whoa,. Whoa, Whoa. What? Has the Governor convicted Officer Warren? Before all the facts are released? Is he saying this to try and achieve peace? Or is it easier to sacrifice one to save the other?

 

[katydid23]

I was trying to reply to Frydaddy's post about witness statements earlier and then the thread closed on me!

When this first broke and MBs friend Dorian started making statements to the media, his recounting of events was too over the top for me. He made his version of events too hard to believe. I went back and looked up one of his initial interviews. You can't tell a story like this and make it so outrageous, cause when you do IMO it only makes it that much more harder to prove, and so far the evidence completely contradicts much of what he's stating.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-protests-continue/13989945/

I've bolded many parts, many of which are simply too outrageous to be believable, and a good number of them the evidence thus far flatly contradicts.

But I guess some believe it.

BTW hi Islandmixed :seeya:

I feel much of what he says in this recounting is what has fueled so much of the outrage in Ferguson. Outrage that refuses to acknowledge and accept that this is a process, and sometimes it can be a lengthy one. This is why Pres. obama, Holder, the senator I quoted earlier, and the governor are doing a great disservice with their words and actions.

If Wilson is found to have acted egregiously in his duties as an officer, then the investigation will prove that.

But where is the process of justice amid the chants of....

"who do we want.....Wilson!"

"How do we want him...dead!"

This is fueled by more than a few elected officials, and civil rights leaders asserting that MB was executed....why? B/c he was shot multiple times? That doesn't answer why it happened, and until all the evidence is reviewed we won't know what those answers are.

As a mother my heart hurts to think about either of my 2 kids dying in such a way. But I also have a great deal of empathy toward this cop. A cop that doesn't have a bad record, and who I'm sure didn't wake up that day and think, "gee, today I'm going to kill someone."


eace:

Thank you. This part caught my eye:



About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.===========================================


That lie is very interesting because in every interview that I saw DJ , he had his atty by his side. But the same atty told CNN that he KNEW about the robbery before DJ even retained him. So this attorney KNEW that his client was going on TV and putting out clear cut, self serving LIES all that time. :facepalm:

 

[Phoebeb]

Megyn Kelly on now- Daryl Parks says there's no doubt there was a "in all due fairness", "serious situation that took place between the officer and Michael, without question". hmm...

 

[MyBelle]

Again, have Mods or Admin stated who we can consider the victim here?

I have never read a thread where there was so much leeway allowed on a deceased person without them having been named a POI or perp.

That has not happened here. I have asked mods several times about what is allowed, since this thread is obviously not like the others, but I have had no reply.

I wanted to just keep quiet, but this is just over the top. And it makes no sense. In one case a dead child's convicted molester dad is off limits because he is a victim. Why isn't MB afforded the same consideration?

Neither has been convicted in their relevant cases. But MB's juvie record is talked about often, where the SO dad and whole family is protected from any speculation or discussion.

I really want to know why?

Sorry if this is against TOS, but I asked for help and got no answer, and I went back and read the rules, and this thread is not compliant, IMO.

I hope I don't get TO'd. I really did ask, and read and re-read the rules. I just don't get it.

Did you miss this detail? Earlier Friday, his department released footage of someone resembling Brown stealing a box of cigars, as well as a police report calling Brown a suspect.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...michael-brown-article-1.1904539#ixzz3AtKyP7d5

 

[LambChop]

Again, have Mods or Admin stated who we can consider the victim here?

I have never read a thread where there was so much leeway allowed on a deceased person without them having been named a POI or perp.

That has not happened here. I have asked mods several times about what is allowed, since this thread is obviously not like the others, but I have had no reply.

I wanted to just keep quiet, but this is just over the top. And it makes no sense. In one case a dead child's convicted molester dad is off limits because he is a victim. Why isn't MB afforded the same consideration?

Neither has been convicted in their relevant cases. But MB's juvie record is talked about often, where the SO dad and whole family is protected from any speculation or discussion.

I really want to know why?

Sorry if this is against TOS, but I asked for help and got no answer, and I went back and read the rules, and this thread is not compliant, IMO.

I hope I don't get TO'd. I really did ask, and read and re-read the rules. I just don't get it.

Sorry I did not get right back to you. Thread has been moving very fast tonight. There is no clear judgment from what I can see as to whether or not MB was an aggressor or a victim. It is safe to discuss whatever is being reported on MSM and anything that is released by LE. As far as speculation regarding the families. They are off limits unless something is specifically reported in the news. Discussions should be on the subject matter only. In other words, don't victimize the family by over speculating whatever has been reported by MSM.

 

[Isabelle]

For them, for the family of Michael Brown, for all the parents who have had their sons taken from them much too soon, and for all the children dreaming of a brighter and better future, we now have a responsibility to come together and do everything we can to achieve justice for this family, peace for this community, and have the courage to address the problems that have divided us for too long. Real problems of poverty, education inequality, and race.

SNIP

Second, a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued.
The democratically elected St. Louis County prosecutor and the Attorney General of the United States, each have a job to do. Their obligation to achieve justice in the shooting death of Michael Brown must be carried out thoroughly, promptly, and correctly; and I call upon them to meet those expectations.

Finally, once we have achieved peace in Ferguson and justice for the family of Michael Brown, we must remain committed to rebuilding the trust that has been lost, mending what has been broken, and healing the wounds we have endured.

SNIP

So I ask that we continue to stand together as we work to achieve justice for Michael Brown, restore hope and peace to the streets of Ferguson, and march together toward a future of greater opportunity and understanding for all of us.”

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/19/gov-n...for-missouri-about-the-situation-in-ferguson/

Very disappointing

MOO

I don't know that I would call the statements disappointing. When he comments on a strong prosecution, it's not just the act of a trial but everything involved to determine whether there is a case for trial. I think the wording was so as not to fan the flames.

 

[bettybaby00]

I missed that- she said reporter has to retract that 12 witness confirm Wilson's version? Was that man she was talking with from PD?

I walked in at the end, she said it had to be "walked back"

I don't see anything on that women's twitter, I don't see a retraction.

Oh man gump is on now, he's admitting a "serious altercation" occurred at the car, Michael punched him and a shot went off."

When she said "but why would Wilson just shoot him like that?"

To which gump said, "I'm guessing b/c he was mad."



He believes there will be an indictment, "b/c there is enough evidence"

When Megan said, "but the defense doesn't get to defend himself"

He replied, "so"

When asked what if there is no indictment, I couldn't make out a word he said. Guy seriously mumbles.

Earlier she had on a police rep, who said the reason they haven't released an incident report is b/c they don't release them.

 

[Wysteria]

Thank you. This part caught my eye:



About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.===========================================


That lie is very interesting because in every interview that I saw DJ , he had his atty by his side. But the same atty told CNN that he KNEW about the robbery before DJ even retained him. So this attorney KNEW that his client was going on TV and putting out clear cut, self serving LIES all that time. :facepalm:

Yes, a great many untruths have been discovered/uncovered.
Just read the signs of the "protesters", what they are saying, all of it...not the truth at all.

 

[EvilSoup]

PM a MOD

I have. Several times. I guess this is a whole new ball of wax. It's kind of scary.

 

[SStarr33]

I walked in at the end, she said it had to be "walked back"

I don't see anything on that women's twitter, I don't see a retraction.

Oh man gump is on now, he's admitting a "serious altercation" occurred at the car, Michael punched him and a shot went off."

When she said "but why would Wilson just shoot him like that?"

To which gump said, "I'm guessing b/c he was mad."



He believes there will be an indictment, "b/c there is enough evidence"

When Megan said, "but the defense doesn't get to defend himself"

He replied, "so"

When asked what if there is no indictment, I couldn't make out a word he said. Guy seriously mumbles.

Earlier she had on a police rep, who said the reason they haven't released an incident report is b/c they don't release them.

Wait. Are you saying that Crump just admitted that MB punched DW?

 

[CoolJ]

Also, another for the IMO true victims in this incident, the LEO and the shopkeeper.

<modsnip> A young boy was shot to death!

 

[popsicle]

Paul Hampel &#8207;@phampel 3m
#Ferguson #NorthSTL Right now at SW corner of Riverview and McClaren. Maj Robinson est crowd at 150
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvcfOQhCcAAYpIN.jpg

 

[EvilSoup]

Sorry I did not get right back to you. Thread has been moving very fast tonight. There is no clear judgment from what I can see as to whether or not MB was an aggressor or a victim. It is safe to discuss whatever is being reported on MSM and anything that is released by LE. As far as speculation regarding the families. They are off limits unless something is specifically reported in the news. Discussions should be on the subject matter only. In other words, don't victimize the family by over speculating whatever has been reported by MSM.

Thank you!!!! Now I understand why some of the comments are allowed here.

So we can speculate about MB and his past, which frees up lots of stifled comments.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I walked in at the end, she said it had to be "walked back"

I don't see anything on that women's twitter, I don't see a retraction.

Oh man gump is on now, he's admitting a "serious altercation" occurred at the car, Michael punched him and a shot went off."

When she said "but why would Wilson just shoot him like that?"

To which gump said, "I'm guessing b/c he was mad."



He believes there will be an indictment, "b/c there is enough evidence"

When Megan said, "but the defense doesn't get to defend himself"

He replied, "so"

When asked what if there is no indictment, I couldn't make out a word he said. Guy seriously mumbles.

Earlier she had on a police rep, who said the reason they haven't released an incident report is b/c they don't release them.

And he would barely let her speak when she tried to correct him when he said something to the affect that Baden's autopsy report CLEARLY shows Brown was surrendering when he was shot. She tried to correct him by saying Baden did not rule out whether he was charging Wilson or not, but he was just not having it!

 

[SStarr33]

You keep repeating this over and over. It is sickening. A young boy was shot to death!

He was a man.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

You keep repeating this over and over. It is sickening. A young boy was shot to death!

Just to clarify the age: he was 18.

 

[popsicle]

Matt Pearce &#8207;@mattdpearce 17m
Lomax Rounds, 24, student on seeing Anderson Cooper's tent in the keep-moving zone: "You guys don't have to stand still, so why should we?"


Matt Pearce &#8207;@mattdpearce 8m
(He obviously means the opposite)

 

[Gypsy Road]

You keep repeating this over and over. It is sickening. A young boy was shot to death!

It could have been the other way around - A young cop could have been beaten to death. It's sad either way, but we are allowed to have our opinions.