MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #6

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

On that note, I'll say goodnight. I hope everyone has a great evening.

Nite, and thanks for yet another night of helping to keep us informed as to what is really happening in Ferguson, MO.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I'm going to bed to watch the presser, I have to be up early tomorrow. Have a good night everyone!

 

[Starry Night]

And Tim has now stated-seeing a lot of activists from New York now

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

I'm out too. Night all.

 

[Suthrnqt]

On that note, I'll say goodnight. I hope everyone has a great evening.

Think I'll bugger out now.

Besides, it might be another busy morning.

Peace and g'night sleuthers! :loveyou:

I'm going to bed to watch the presser, I have to be up early tomorrow. Have a good night everyone!

Goodnight!! Thanks again for keeping us informed tonight. Y'all have done a great job and I for one appreciate all of your hard work. :tyou:

ETA: Oooops, didn't mean to leave you out Snoopy.
fftobed:

 

[gramcracker]

Such a shame to see all those boarded up businesses.

Business owners have lost their livelihoods. The community has lost commerce.

So unnecessary.

I know, huh? fewer places to pump your gas, fewer places to pick up groceries, or get a haircut, or dine out. someone posted a link earlier with some background on the uses of redlining, one being areas where banks/those who loan will not invest. and then some who either tear down or stand by while communities are torn down will complain about redlining (Sharpton/Jackson, et al). SMH

 

[mdana]

18- a legal adult. Old enough to vote, drive, go to war, and to prison.

However, not old enough to drink, rent a car, run for the U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Senate, nor President. So, the U.S. Constitution is not recognizing them as reaching full maturity.

 

[gramcracker]

presser: Johnson complimenting those who acted as buffers tonight. no Molotov cocktails. three loaded handguns seized. agitators hid behind the media but were located. not one bullet fired by LE. elders of the community, clergy, volunteers worked hard and set good examples for the young people. someone (persistent agitator ?) arrested for the third time tonight. nice lady cooked hot dogs for the 6th night in a row and handed them out for free. tonight Johnson ate the best hot dog he can remember eating

questions: threats against LEOs? located person(s), arrested and confiscated 2 weapons. threw urine on LEOs

turning point? clergy, volunteers and citizens who went home early tonight and didn't allow agitators/criminals to hide among the good people. bad actors did not even respect opening prayer and started up during the prayer

why LE fully geared up tonight (headgear/batons): their safety (duh). wife reamed him for not wearing his vest last night. tonight by phone: OK, where's your vest?

individual from out of town arrested 3X from Austin TX

47 arrests tonight (last night they said 13 which turned out to be 78, so we shall see)

always assessing operational approach, will continue to do that

(he looked worn out, but happier than the last few nights)

g'night all you sleuthers! g'night Tim!

 

[liloleme]

Holy, I though Websleuths was aYoictim friendly" site. Half of this thread has been about vilifying Mike Brown. IMO

Since when are criminals considered victims? He committed three known crimes.

Every criminal action has a potential consequence. You're a victim of stupidity if you don't understand that before committing a crime.

I can't find sympathy fo a criminal, bully . I just can't.

If you live like a , you have to be prepared to die like one.

 

[mdana]

FYI: Before a commutation can take place, there has to be an arrest and a conviction. Until then, the presumption of innocence prevails.

JMO

I am not taking it in that manner. He was saying that if there was a railroaded police officer on death row, she would excoriate him if he did not get involved. You can't have it both ways, Nixon only gets involved when Megyn Kelly wants him.

 

[gramcracker]

However, not old enough to drink, rent a car, run for the U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Senate, nor President. So, the U.S. Constitution is not recognizing them as reaching full maturity.

minimum age requirements: HoR/25, Senate/30, Prez/35

so we're off the hook for personal accountability until we're in our mid-20s or mid-30s? renting a car requires that you be responsible with someone else's property and younger drivers are documented as being irresponsible drivers. it's not that they don't know the rules of the road, it's that they don't care about following them. I'm sorry, but if you are under the age of 25-35 and you don't know that you are not supposed to steal from stores while pushing old men around or defy a peace officer by fracturing his eye socket then you best be staying home. because society doesn't approve of your foolishness and someone who doesn't love you as much as your momma does just might put a boot in your a$$

 

[TexasT]

Holy, I though Websleuths was a "victim friendly" site. Half of this thread has been about vilifying Mike Brown. IMO

Are you referring to the guy that robbed a store and then Attacked a Police Officer breaking his face to avoid a Felony arrest as a victim ??

TT

 

[CoolJ]

Are you referring to the guy that robbed a store and then Attacked a Police Officer breaking his face to avoid a Felony arrest as a victim ??

TT

You don't know any of any of that as fact. None of us do. You are just making that assumption. When an unarmed person is shot 6 times from what could be up to a 35 foot distance, I give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. It is up to the killer to prove the killing was justified... Unless of course you look at this person and automatically label him a "".
Yes LEO's are allowed to kill in certain circumstances, but when this happens it is a big deal and need to be fully investigated by an outside agency...

 

[Gypsy Road]

We know he committed a strong armed robbery and that there was a scuffle inside the car. Those are facts. Even the family attorney is admitting that now. He wasn't exacting abiding by the law that day. Maybe the officer was justified shooting him, maybe he wasn't... we will have to wait for all the facts, but MB made a choice to live by the sword that day...and you know the old saying.

 

[MyBelle]

However, not old enough to drink, rent a car, run for the U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Senate, nor President. So, the U.S. Constitution is not recognizing them as reaching full maturity.

Legal maturity and emotional maturity are not the same thing. Laws are placed in effect for the greater good. If you prefer to reside in a nation that has no laws, that's your choice. But the Constitution has nothing to do with the age one must be before a car rental company will rent them a car. I think insurance risk and actuarial tables have a bit to do with that one.

JMO

 

[mdana]

A few years ago, Dan, the son of a friend, (who is white) was shot to death by the police. It was a complicated case, but the short story is that he visited the home of a cop earlier in the day for a July 4th party. His fiancé and the mother of his children was cousins with the cop's wife, so it was a family/friend type get together. But they weren't that close so they kind of just made an obligatory appearance. They stayed 2 hours, left, dropped the kids at grandmas, went out for a "date night", had some drinks, shot some pool, etc. When they came home at midnight the cruiser from the city next door was in front of their house. That was weird. But then they noticed that next to the officer in uniform was the cousin-cop in street clothes. Dan's fiancee's heart dropped because she thought maybe someone in their family had died and he was hear to break the news to her. Instead he confronted Dan claiming Dan stole money and jewelry from his wife earlier that day. Dan denied it, they started arguing and then it's he-said she-said because Dan's fiancee said the cops started throwing Dan around and the cops said Dan started it. The officer who shot (not the off-duty cousin, but his on-duty partner) said Dan went for his gun and he had no choice. The cops concluded it was a good shoot so the officers weren't charged. Afterwards they searched Dan, his fiancé, the house, the car, and guess what? No stolen anything. They even went back to the cops house and dusted the jewelry box for fingerprints and swabbed it for DNA - neither of which was a match to Dan or fiancé. So I get how these cases can be both complex and tragic.

Anyhow, I mention it in case anyone had questions about cases like this. Not that I'm the expert, because I'm not at all. But for example, I can say that it took 6 months for the cops to finish the investigation and send it to the grand jury. So it's so weird to me to see CNN acting like one week is unusually long and suspicious.

Did anything happen to the cop? It seems like a conflict of interest for him to go to Dan's house since the cop was involved.

That is the problem with these cases with few eyewitnesses. Unless there is a videotape or a someone in the force comes forward contradicting another cop, there is no way a shooting is ever classified as a good shoot. The FBI has shot 150 people in the past 2 decades and been cleared in every instance, that is statistically impossible, because humans and training are not infallible

New documents reveal the FBI has cleared its agents in every single shooting incident dating back two decades. According to The New York Times, from 1993 until today, FBI shootings were deemed justified in the fatal shootings of 70 people and the wounding of 80 others. Out of 289 shootings that were found to be deliberate, no agent was disciplined except for letters of censure in five cases. Even in a case where the bureau paid a shooting victim more than a million dollars to settle a lawsuit, the internal review did not find the agent who shot the man culpable. The issue of FBI accountability has recently re-emerged following last month’s fatal shooting of Ibragim Todashev during questioning by agents in Orlando, Florida. He was reportedly unarmed. We speak to Charlie Savage, the Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times reporter who co-reported the story.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/21/the_fbis_license_to_kill_agents

This happened in my neck of the wood over the past week:

A sheriff's deputy shot his teenage daughter after mistaking her for an intruder, and then crashed his car trying to get her to a hospital, authorities said.

Police say Loudoun County Sheriff's Deputy Easton McDonald was getting ready for work at his Frederick County, Virginia home around 3:30 a.m. Tuesday when he heard his alarm sound.

He heard a banging sound coming from inside the garage, grabbed a weapon and fired it when he saw a figure approaching him, according to a report from WHAG-TV.
Police say it turned out to be his 16-year-old daughter, who had sneaked out the night before and had been in the process of sneaking back inside.

I am sure it will be justified, I mean she lied about her whereabouts, right?

 

[mdana]

Cnn just said that 6 black people have been shot by police in all of the country this year.

I would like to know how many died in gang shotings.
I am 100 percent positive it is more than 6.

Why not protest that?

I find that laughable.


1147 were shot and 607 killed in 2011 according to a blogger that scanned the internet but since he is a blogger, I can't link.

Are you sure they didn't say "in all the county" or maybe they meant to say that?

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Did anything happen to the cop? It seems like a conflict of interest for him to go to Dan's house since the cop was involved.

That is the problem with these cases with few eyewitnesses. Unless there is a videotape or a someone in the force comes forward contradicting another cop, there is no way a shooting is ever classified as a good shoot. The FBI has shot 150 people in the past 2 decades and been cleared in every instance, that is statistically impossible, because humans and training are not infallible



http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/21/the_fbis_license_to_kill_agents

This happened in my neck of the wood over the past week:



I am sure it will be justified, I mean she lied about her whereabouts, right?

The article you linked indicated it is still being investigated. It certainly has NOT been ruled a justified shooting. It also has nothing to do with this case.

 

[MyBelle]

I find that laughable.


1147 were shot and 607 killed in 2011 according to a blogger that scanned the internet but since he is a blogger, I can't link.

Are you sure they didn't say "in all the county" or maybe they meant to say that?

MOO

Bloggers are not the best statisticians. They also are not the best reporters. If you have an axe to grind, I suggest you do it with a reporter, not a blogger.

Just a suggestion, of course.

 

[BritsKate]

I find that laughable.


1147 were shot and 607 killed in 2011 according to a blogger that scanned the internet but since he is a blogger, I can't link.

Are you sure they didn't say "in all the county" or maybe they meant to say that?

MOO

I love statistics. Unfortunately, statistics for police-involved civilian deaths are not very accurate. It'd be difficult for anyone to get a precise read on them - as this article points out, only 750 of 17k law enforcement agencies nationwide report their statistics to the FBI - which maintains the only national database of such killings with very little information as to distinguish justifiable vs. excessive force, etc.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/police-killings-data/14060357/