MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[popsicle]

Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 3m
Atty Gen Holder in Missouri (right now he is meeting w/ Michael Brown's parents)

 

[Observer in AZ]

Retweeted by Shimon Prokupecz
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ACLU of Missouri ‏@aclu_mo 4m
In response to our lawsuit for #MikeBrown shooting report, STL County Police Dept released: http://bit.ly/1q15tTT
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Odd it was printed by #rubme1 really? interesting user name just sayin..

 

[Lovejac]

All I would be thinking is get the h3!! out of there.

Fight or flight!

 

[doubt]

disagree. COMPLETELY.

and there is zero way of EVER knowing this.

MOO

 

[branwynbreeze]

I don't know about the obstructing traffic part, but why after committing a crime would one bring undue attention to oneself? Seems like a cocky and stupid move to me.

MB was NOT jaywalking, why do people keep saying that? Because it sounds so "harmless"??

Jaywalking is CROSSING the street outside of a crosswalk, it is NOT sauntering down the MIDDLE of the street obstructing traffic!



And I will add obstructing traffic after he just ROBBED a store nearby, and even after a COP just asked him to get out of the road is truly amazing bold and provocative! It was like he was BEGGING to be arrested or get into a confrontation with the authorities!

 

[cady]

I don't get what you're saying..........if he had waited for back up, MB would have been pursued for "assaulting an officer" *allegedly*, and any ensuing response by backup would have been in accordance to MB's response when confronted by backup.

LE responds with deadly force when deadly force is deemed. Does an unarmed man warrant to be shot 6 times? And no one REALLY knows the facts on whether MB was surrendering or advancing.

We still don't have the FACTS as to what REALLY took place, every article since the shooting happened adds or subtracts info that claims to be accurate.

First we have Wilson doing a road clear for a "Health Check".
Then Wilson is looking for the men in the BOLO.
Then it's "Health Check" and heard BOLO after the initial stop.
Then it's "Health Check" and subjects continued in the middle of the road.

Subjects had the LE door slammed into them.
Subject approached door.

Subject was grabbed by LE.
LE grabbed subject.

Do we know if the shot fired in the vehicle hit MB? Or are we even sure the firearm WAS discharged in the vehicle?

And no one has seen Wilson's incident report. Why? Why, if this is such a cut a dry, MB was "advancing" in a threatening manner, has it not surfaced? Is it because it has to be carefully tailored to fit eyewitness statements?

My hinky meter is on. Something stinks in Denmark.

Bernina, THANKS I'm so glad that you are here. I've always appreciated your input in different cases. You just want to let factual knowledge take you to a conclusion that is as close to the truth as you can get. JMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

"Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...en-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

:candle:

 

[bettybaby00]

Thanks to all for sharing their orbital fracture injury stories

Obviously everyone has a different experience, both in the actual injury and how they reacted to it. And some of you have had really horrible experiences... (((Hugs)))

We don't know how bad DWs Fracture was, but even if severe, I think it's more than probable that adrenaline took over, and that's why he was able to do what he did despite having an injury.

I've said it a bunch of times, when the opposing side's lawyers admit damning info, it happened, and it's likely worse than what they're admitting to.

(Links to their statements are all over this thread, and in the last one.)

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.parcellsandcompany.com/contact.html

He is also a minister, procures 'tissue', does taxes, web design, sports management and business consulting. Busy guy.

jmo

that's an interesting combo.

But I don't see Medical Examiner in there. But there was an interview with him I saw where he stated he was an ME :waitasec:

 

[Observer in AZ]

I've wondered if the location played a part in MB's reaction to DW's order to halt. If it happened at the apt. complex where MB was known/lived, with curious neighbors looking on, 18 yo AA, adrenaline-filled MB may not have seen obeying Ofc. Wilson as an option. Sad, but DW wasn't the one who made bad decisions that day imo. MB was an aspiring rap artist, and I bet the lyrics to the videos he posted would help us understand him better.

Ok I have no links for this but.. IMO I believe I heard Attorney Crump made off hand comment about shot TO car not IN car on Greta I believe Monday night. It struck me odd like he tripped up then autopsy says 6 shots not sure what kind of gun but maybe..

As DebinGA said perhaps people hanging out said they had his back etc IMO just throwing an unsubstantiated claim that may have even included a shot idk?

 

[Sonya610]

Sorry if someone else shared this already:

Multiple witnesses in riot-torn Ferguson, Mo., said that the unarmed black teen killed by a white cop attacked the officer in his patrol car before the teen was shot, according to a new report.

“Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting,” St. Louis Post-Dispatch crime reporter Christine Byers tweeted, without elaborating.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/

 

[oh_gal]

What does that even mean? You also made a bad decision? It is not like joining automatically makes someone a good person. People used to be able to join the marines as a ways of serving serious jail time. I am not implying in anyway that is why you joined or many did, but the seems like an attempt to shut down any discussion on the role of gaining experience and maturity as one ages from a young adult to a more fully formed adult.




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...pregnant-wife-marine-police-article-1.1907775

I am not trying to imply that many marines are like this one "bad apple" at all, but posters are quick to make sweeping generalization about poor minority youth with similar amounts of bad apples.

Joining the Marines (or any branch of the military) is not a bad decision. It's a decision to give your life, if necessary, for the protection of this country, and its people (even those who aren't grateful for your efforts).

Clearly, this was an example of making a good decision with your life at 18 vs. making a bad on (as in: allegedly committing strong arm robbery, and acting, for all intents and purposes, like a ).

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda, this is unrelated to the quote but when your son had his orbital fracture of the eye was he able to see clearly?

Honestly, I can't answer that. I know when it happened, it was a little swollen, he was given an ice pack and sat down . ( daycamp at the time) when the nurse checked on him, three hours later, they called me all panicked and an ambulance. I met them at the hospital. It had swollen shut, the eyeball was blood red, and I swear, not exaggerating around his eye and his eyelid swelled up the size of a baseball.
He did say he was very disorientated but didn't loose consciousness.
He had a CAT scan and saw "eyeball"
Specialists. ( forget the name) neurologists..and even a plastic surgeon.

I can't find the early photos... This one is 3 months later. I edited it so he can't be recognized per TOS



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[CHERIE.T]

that's an interesting combo.

But I don't see Medical Examiner in there. But there was an interview with him I saw where he stated he was an ME :waitasec:

AFAIK that's why people question him...no confirmation of ever being a ME. :gaah:

 

[TheDuchess]

VICTIM #1 - Store Clerk
First incident - being strong armed robbed in his own store
Second incident - having his store looted and destroyed by protestors siding with man who first victimized him
VICTIM #2 - Officer Wilson
First incident - being attacked by MB inn his squad car and then bumrushed and threatened with his life
Second incident - being forced into hiding with his young child, maligned by media and politicians, called everything from a racist to a murderer

MB is NOT a victim - he began the entire chain of events with one bad decision and continued with more and more bad decisions to try to escape from his first incident and continued to escalate until it resulted in his own death.

THIS is how I see this whole situation. And THIS is AFTER initially thinking that MB was the only victim.

 

[Linda7NJ]

At the risk of intruding into your personal life Linda, could you share how he obtained his fracture?

I had an orbital blowout fracture, I did have to have surgery but not to repair that injury, and it was a result of being attacked by a large ex boyfriend. And I know the exact hit that did it; it was the first hit I received in the attack, and his fist was swung like a hammer, not knuckle first.

I found this article describing what exactly a blowout fracture is, among the other type of orbital fractures, and what the symptoms often are:

http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/eye-socket-fracture-fracture-of-the-orbit.html

He was picked up, laid on a picnic table and punched in the face by a much older child.




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[doubt]

you must not have been paying much attention to the endless criticism he faces by those who insist he investigates too much.

this thread is amazing.

the only folks who are making it clear that justice has ONE look and only one, are those who insist that wilson was justified. it's entirely ridiculous.

my brother, a white cop, was shot in the line of duty by an 18 yo black kid. my brother fired back and the kid was killed. do not blast me as unknowing or whatever else for finally stating what needed to be said here.

i've never, ever seen a group of people insist so damn hard that a town of 23,000 people in US cannot possibly be home to corrupt police, and cops who kill when killing is unwarranted. <mod snip>

MOO

 

[bettybaby00]

Odd it was printed by #rubme1 really? interesting user name just sayin..

That's probably who put in the FIOA request. I read somewhere, a request was made for every thing re&: Wilson's background/career. Sorry no link

The actual incident report/statement won't get relea.sed I'm sure b/c of the investigation.

 

[Yoda]

Some of the officers killed in the line of duty so far this year.


67 line of duty deaths this year.

compiled from odmp.org

 

[Minette]

I'm so jaded by all the spin, I can't stop myself from thinking about what he left out. As in, the part about what his client claimed happened in the physical struggle before Wilson chased MB.

After all, we have so many who want to convict the cop saying that "scuffle" didn't matter.

It matters a lot to me, so I want to know if his client has changed his story on that part.

I have quite a few friends on Facebook posting stuff about how 'this kid was killed over a box of $50 cigars, no one deserves to die for that' just totally disregarding the facts that a) Officer Wilson didn't even know about the strong-arm robbery when he first encountered MB & DJ and b) it wasn't 'just' a box of cigars, it was picking up an older, much smaller man by the throat. I bothered to point this out to one of them, and she conceded the point, but the next day was back to posting about someone not deserving to die over an act of shoplifting.

It seems there is a DETERMINATION to make the facts fit the scenario of the innocent young boy walking harmlessly in the street who was shot down by a bloodthirsty cop over a box of cigars while begging for his life completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary. And to have the governor and the U.S. Attorney General pandering to this thirst for mob justice....it makes me sad for my country and it makes me afraid.