MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[Isabelle]

But why did the recorder put music over the video preventing us to hear the verbal interaction?

Seriously, why?

I don't hear music??

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't hear music??

Me neither?


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[AuburnTxTiger]

Who is the "new witness" CNN is talking about? Thanks

Sorry. I got CNN and HLN confused. Forgive me.

 

[Elley Mae]

Does anyone have that viper FB link handy, or send it to me via PM? TIA

https://www.facebook.com/1007TheViper?_fb_noscript=1

 

[SStarr33]

But why did the recorder put music over the video preventing us to hear the verbal interaction?

Seriously, why?

music???

 

[JLSChook]

IMO this went way too far. Do LE in Missouri use Tasers? I think this one will be a problem. There was no "bum rush" here.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9326e02a-2a60-5baa-b63a-9c77b8b81bab.html

Asked whether the officers could have used Tasers, Dotson said Tasers are not always accurate, and Powell was wearing a jacket that could have deflected the Taser probes. Under the department's use-of-force policy, police may use deadly force if an attacker with a knife is within 21 feet, Dotson said.

 

[MyBelle]

The perp and LE were not on top of each other. LE on the street near the curb and perp on a little grass hill across the sidewalk. This needs investigation.

ETA I thought this incident happened inside the grocery store while the man was wielding a knife at officers.

The news article says there is an investigation.

 

[CHERIE.T]

eta holy moly i just watched it--graphic!!!!!!

You can watch and listen here:

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/st-louis-police-release-video-calls-city-shooting

daum..............

THAT was shocking! wow

 

[Isabelle]

Anyone watching Anderson 360? The eye witness he is talking to puts a different slant on this story.

Who is the witness? I tuned in late. Thanks

 

[Observer in AZ]

You can zoom right on top of it--it is an amazingly clear video for a cell phone video. If you have a Macbook do control and move two fingers up on your mousepad. Not sure how to do it on a PC.

You can make it bigger & closer....at least I could on my iPhone.


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Thanks all!

Watching on laptop, have phone on twitter and kindle ready for livefeed.


If I couldn't only multi task this well at work

 

[Isabelle]

The news article says there is an investigation.

Thanks. It's seriously needed in this case.

 

[cady]

(above, bbm)
Those sound like wise words. Are the mobs in Ferguson being skeptical of everything, or just anything including the words, "justifiable" and "LEO"?

There are always two sides to every story, and many times, the truth lies somewhere in between. I am still waiting to hear the LEOs account of what happened. While I'm pretty sure what happened, I wouldn't mind apologizing to everyone if I find I am wrong.

Absolutely NO reason to apologise, unless you have made unsubstantiated assertions as fact. We all have a picture in our respective brains of what POSSIBLY happened. We are all trying to make sense of it. But the forensic facts are not at our fingertips, so all we can do is speculate. Witnesses (either side) are not liars with hidden agendas. They may be wrong, but they believe what they see and what they hear. It is a human condition.

 

[DebinGA]

But why did the recorder put music over the video preventing us to hear the verbal interaction?

Seriously, why?

If you mean that song from "Rent", I wondered that too until I realized it was from the video above the shooting one, whose link I'd left open.

 

[CARIIS]

Gosh the more I learn the worse it gets:

The grand jury is not completely free to compel a trial of anyone it chooses. The United States Attorney must sign the indictment before one may be prosecuted. Thus, the government and the grand jury act as checks upon each other. This assures that neither may arbitrarily wield the awesome power to indict a person of a crime.

Old numbers - in mood to catch up not Slueth but I got curious!

[SIZE=-1]he grand jury statistics, which were released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, confirm that indictments are handed up in the overwhelming majority of federal grand jury cases that reach conclusion.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]From fiscal years 1994 through 1998, federal prosecutors secured 122,879 indictments, according to DOJ records. During the same period, prosecutors failed to get indictments in only 83 cases. Grand juries hand up "no true bills" when the majority of a 23-member grhttp://truthinjustice.org/grandjury.htmand jury finds that the government failed to show probable cause to charge a crime.[/SIZE]


http://truthinjustice.org/grandjury.htm

the system is still broken. Grand juries may not hand out guilty verdicts, but they do have the power to imprison people for an indefinite amount of time simply by indicting them.

The grand jury normally hears only that evidence presented by an attorney for the government which tends to show the commission of a crime. The grand jury must determine from this evidence, and usually without hearing evidence for the defense, whether a person should be tried for a serious federal crime, referred to in the Bill of Rights as an "infamous crime." An infamous crime is one which may be punished by imprisonment for more than one year. As a general rule, no one can be prosecuted for a serious crime unless the grand jury decides that the evidence it has heard so requires. In this way, the grand jury operates both as a "sword," authorizing the government's prosecution of suspected criminals, and also as a "shield," protecting citizens from unwarranted or inappropriate prosecutions. A person may, however, waive grand jury proceedings and agree to be prosecuted by a written charge of crime called an information.


http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/JuryInfo/handbook-grand-jury.shtml

 

[Observer in AZ]

Dr. Thomas W. Young, former Jackson County Medical Examiner, also says Parcells isn’t licensed. Over the phone, he affirmed this statement he gave to Kansas City media: “Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me. He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when is not qualified to do so.”

Young said he stands by that statement but would not comment further. A search of the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts Licensee and Registrant profile turned up nothing on Parcells. Young’s profile does appear, showing him as a licensed Medical Doctor in Kansas City, Missouri. The profile of Mitchell also pops up.

Efforts to contact Parcells have been unsuccessful.

http://www.wibwnewsnow.com/?p=45530

Was I the only one who thought that was disturbing?

 

[Isabelle]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9326e02a-2a60-5baa-b63a-9c77b8b81bab.html

People best walk around buck naked if they want to live!

 

[Elley Mae]

New video and 911 calls released in Tuesday’s officer involved shooting

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/20/new-details-in-tuesdays-officer-involved-shooting-in-north-st-louis/

Transcription of Cell phone video:

Police: Get your hand out of your pocket.
Suspect: shoot me. Shoot me.
Bystander: He`s got his gun out.
Police: Drop it. Drop it now.
Suspect: Shoot me, shoot me now.
Bystander: they got their guns out.
Police: Drop it.

BBM

 

[gngr~snap]

My current BF had a similar situation, having a neighbor grab him by the shirt and try to pull him through the window of bf's compact truck........

Wish someone would do re-creations of both Wilson's and Dorian's account.

HLN has time slots open! Unless they NEED to continue airing more episodes of "Forensic Files" for the 88th time!! I can't believe how lame it's gotten, and all weekend too? [emoji368]


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[trigger]

I also want to clarify my previous posts as I was trying to get car towed & fielding phone calls etc.

The point of my posts were to say there are other agents manipulating this situation to further causes and to stir up tensions. There are groups unfortunately wanting to change our country and I just wanted to share links to show that this isn't a local issue randomly put on a national platform but to exploit a community to further a cause.

Also, There's misinformation about Police Brutality during Protest unprovoked tear gas blocking rights etc giving not only MO LE but all LE bad name and knowing who the players are there it helps to understand why Capt Johnson continues to say in Pressers outside agitators etc.

Idk if it came across as informative or like I'm a NutJob which I am not LOL but my heart goes out to those who have had their lives turned upside down from this incident Residents, LE, Business owners and it makes me sick that there are people who will use these situations to exploit, profit or push agendas.



If anything hopefully in the end this unites us stronger than divides us.. Girl can have a dream!

Saw Van Jones in Ferguson. He is a dangerous guy. He said on CNN-

JONES: What you're beginning to see now is a new generation of African-American leadership. Million Hoodies Movement, Organization For Black Struggle, Michael McBride is emerging as a voice for peace in this situation.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_a_generation_of_young_black_activists.html

 

[tlcya]

playing catchup. Haven't had but one chance to check for news on this case today and it was impossible to read the posts that took place today so please bear with me if I post things I am reading that may have already been linked or posted.

I found this interesting

“Surveys show that large proportions of people, at least in the United States, think that human memory works like a video tape or a DVD,” said Scott Lilienfeld, an Emory University professor who co-authored aScientific American article about the shortcomings of eyewitness testimony. “And we know of decades of psychological research that human memory, including eyewitness memory, doesn’t work that way.”

SNIP

Memories of events “can be very affected by people’s biases, preconceptions, expectations, and the like,” Lilienfeld said. He explained that neuroscientists believe memory is “really reconstruction rather than a reproduction” — we’re not drawing on some untainted recollection of the event, but “rebuilding” it, in a sense, every time we summon the memory. All sorts of impurities can seep in each time this reconstruction occurs.

For example, eyewitnesses to an event are just as susceptible to media influence as the rest of us. “Once something gets out in the media, it’s really hard to un-ring that bell,” said Lilienfeld. “People have heard what other people have said, people have heard what other people have reported … and then their memory may be tainted, perhaps forever tainted by those recollections.”

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/08/eyewitnesses-wont-solve-the-michael-brown-case.html

While not new or groundbreaking I feel it applies in this case.

Some of the accounts seem to agree on how the fatal altercation initially unfolded: with a struggle between the officer, Darren Wilson, and the teenager, Michael Brown. Officer Wilson was inside his patrol car at the time, while Mr. Brown, who was unarmed, was leaning in through an open window.

Many witnesses also agreed on what happened next: Officer Wilson’s firearm went off inside the car, Mr. Brown ran away, the officer got out of his car and began firing toward Mr. Brown, and then Mr. Brown stopped, turned around and faced the officer.

But on the crucial moments that followed, the accounts differ sharply, officials say. Some witnesses say that Mr. Brown, 18, moved toward Officer Wilson, possibly in a threatening manner, when the officer shot him dead. But others say that Mr. Brown was not moving and may even have had his hands up when he was killed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?_r=0


These conflicting memories would be no surprise to forensic psychologist Scott Fraser. He studies the fallibility of human memory- in particular what’s real and what’s selective when it comes to recollection and crime.

Fraser’s the guy that both defense attorneys and prosecutors call on when they question the veracity of a witness. He studies how we remember crimes and makes the case for implanted memories – the idea that we remember something as a result of “post-experience information.”

In a TED talk in 2012, Fraser told the audience that “all our memories are reconstructed memories. They are the product of what we originally experienced and everything that’s happened afterwards. They’re dynamic. They’re malleable. They’re volatile, and as a result, we all need to remember to be cautious, the that accuracy of our memories is not measured in how vivid they are nor how certain you are they’re correct.”

http://www.10news.com/decodedc/as-ferguson-readies-for-investigation-witness-testimony-will-be-key-