MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[Alison]

Reading about this case has been quite interesting. It seems as though there is a line drawn and you are either on one side or the other. When in reality there are many factors and the scenario in my opinion is more fluid as opposed to a defined hard line. Remember there are 3 sides to every story (it appears as though there is more sides than that in this case). I have read comments that Micheal was a man and should have been contributing positively to society. That is a typical assumption to make however taking into account the socio-economics and, the socio-dynamics of were he lived and grew up this is the life style he knew. I am not excusing his behaviour however people who have never grown up in a rough neighbourhood, were poor or abused or where vulnerable do not quite grasp the difficulties in seeking out positive behaviours/ relationships. Yes there are always success stories (I am sure my post will receive a few responses of the like). The area has become more diverse in recent years however the police force never responded to this change in demographics and continued to hire mostly white officers. While I understand you should hire the best, you are also asking for more racial allegations. To counter this you hire a more diverse force of the best. On behalf of the officer if it is indeed shown that he was beat and attacked I feel for him and his family. He will never be able to return to the job. I am also of the belief that if he was attacked he needed to go after him, he could not let him go hurt someone else. While I wish he could have shot him to disable him at the time, one thing we must remember is officers are trained to shoot to kill, not injure. It is a sad case, and while I do not agree with looting and rioting these people have been oppressed (no I do not mean race) that they see opportunities to rebel against the man, steal stuff they need, and show that they are pissed off with their situations. We also see the opportunists coming forward to push their own agendas and fuel the fire. IMO these people are the worst of all. They are only looking out for themselves and a chance of advancement. All this is MOO>

 

[CARIIS]

I only join in the discussion when someone quotes Parcells as expert on MB autopsy. I think everyone should be able to read the media reports about Parcells and decide for themselves if he is creditable. Parcells is not an MD.

Him not being an MD is only the tip of the iceberg,,,,,,Your being too kind!

forensic community are taking issue with his involvement in this or any other case. Parcells owns National Forensic Autopsy and Recovery Services. He says lawyers for the family of Michael Brown contacted him because of his expertise in gunshot wounds.

“I am a forensic pathologist assistant and medical investigator,” Parcells told FOX 4’s Shannon O’Brien.

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Dr. Mitchell takes issue with Parcells’ title.



“You cannot claim the title, because it is a formal, licensable position. You can assist somebody; in this way I can say, for instance, I have paid my taxes, so I am an assistant President of the United States,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Parcells admits he has no certification as a pathology assistant, but says his qualification comes from experience.

“I worked there as a forensic assistant for about a year.

And if I remember correctly that was 2005 to 2006. That was under Dr. Young,” Parcells said.

That’s Dr. Thomas Young, the former Jackson County Medical Examiner.

“And that’s honestly where I gained a lot of my experience,” Parcells said.


“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

“He has none of the qualifications that are required. He has experience as a morgue technician, somebody who would move bodies around, clean up after an autopsy,” Dr. Mitchell said.



Parcells says he has detractors because of a competitive system.

“A lot of this was started because I have competitors who I was taking business from. And the coroners, also, is a very political system. It’s buddy-buddy, who’s your buddy?” Parcells said.

Dr. Mitchell doesn’t agree.

“Jealousy has nothing to do with the issue with Parcells. Parcells is practicing medicine without a license,” he said.

Parcells says he and Dr. Baden are offering their services for free to the Brown family. Only their travel and related expenses are being p

http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/19/shawn-...-michael-brown-autopsy-questioned-by-doctors/

As some of you know I am a aviation enthusist. I have watched some video from a cockpit -- anyone want me to their pilot on their next flight.

I was also a credentialed professionial (burned out retired!) - why the fields board have not gone after this guy numbs me.

The reason he has had to stay on the private side of the field is cause if he tried to go to a setting that billed third party payers he would have to go through credentialing verification, which he obviosly cant do .

His notion that 7 years ago he did some walking around in a morgue is nonsense. In any credentialed field you must take (varies by specialty) continuing education courses every year to maintain and reknew your credential. You have to submit proof that you took the classes by approved establishments in order to renew - every renewal peroid .

Why however the credentialing agency for that field has not issued him a cease and desist to hold himself out as a credentialed individual is really strange.

Years ago I know of a couple of folks who were in grad school and started putting the credential behind their name before they went through the whole process , and board refused to grant them the creential for like two years after they had done all the process. Its serious business, and ethically, at least for my field, (like the doctor metioned above) if I knew someone was doing what this guy is doing I AM obligated to report the violation to my board.

HIs board may be different but ethically he should make his board aware formally. IMO

 

[jggordo]

I think Mother Nature is Blessing Ferguson with some much needed rain right now.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

STLtoday ‏@stltoday 6m
MT @stevegiegerich: "They're trying to incite a riot" - protester on presence of pair supporting #DarrenWilson #Ferguson

It saddens me the implication that has run throughout this entire case that only one group of persons is capable of bias toward another and that only one group deserves the right to the full protection of free speech. I may hate much of what I am hearing from extremes on both sides of this hot issue but I would die to support each and every person's right to peacefully express their opinions. Many HAVE died to assure that right. This lady has it just as much as those protesting on behalf of whatever justice looks like for Mike Brown.

I think she is there to stir the pot. But she is not throwing molatov cocktails, bricks, rioting, looting or burning. She is holding a da** sign.

:sigh:

 

[SStarr33]

I guess she doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

What a cluster_____

IMO



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Hopefully she will make the rounds tomorrow on the news shows. I can't wait to hear her story.

 

[wondering?]

Think they are saying he was running away, turned, clutched his stomach area and the cop shot him several more times.

 

[popsicle]

Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 1m
W. Florissant getting strobed by cop lights and scary lightning. And people are still out here staying on their grind.

 

[Phoebeb]

Mark Eiglarsh on Megyn Kelly now Fox
Discussing Gov. Nixon statement

 

[Yoda]

Read this article. Right now we need a Leader. A leader who is willing to stand up for these victims of this spectacle and say enough is enough! JMO

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oooh I'm in such turmoil...
Mark Furman vs Mark eiglarsh

On fox


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[CHERIE.T]

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=556&vid=-906706579840604863
TALKING POINTS MEMO: The truth about Ferguson -- Watch:

Right on Bill!

 

[bettybaby00]

Oooh I'm in such turmoil...
Mark Furman vs Mark eiglarsh

On fox


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:lol:

 

[katydid23]

But they can't buy a beer or rent a car........probably a good reason for both.

And current brain research shows that the frontal cortex of the brain is not completely mylenized until about age 24. That part of the brain governs critical thinking, executive functioning and decision making.

In fact, the brain of the 6-12 year old is in a much more 'stable' state than that of an adolescent. Once adolescent chemical changes meet the underdeveloped frontal cortex.....well, yeah, teenagers.

Not that all teens are incapable of rational thought, but generally speaking, well, if you have a teenager, it will remind you of the toddler years.

"Um did you REALLY think shaving your head was a good idea?"
"Well, I know you were angry, but could you have thought of a better way to express that than calling him a ?@$&&?# ?"

Not excusing criminal behavior. But am explaining that an 18 year old is not an adult, developmentally speaking. And also that on these very boards I have read posts positing that minor perps must have "had to have been victims, themselves".

Hannah Anderson comes to mind. Super sketchy stuff there (IMO and not just MO) and yet she was a pretty, popular cheerleader and as such, given a huge pass. And called a victim in MSM and everywhere other than comments from real people who smelled a rat.

Even young killers who without a doubt are guilty of the crimes they stand accused of.....I read post after post speculating about abuse or sexual abuse or brain injury or medication use or wrestling injury.

I read no such posts in defense of this young man. None. He committed a crime, yes. Not murder. Not rape. Not baby rape. Not killing his mother and little brother. I understand what Officer Wilson did. What I do not understand is why, with all the looking for "answers" we do on here regarding other young offenders, we are content to just assume MB needs none of this consideration.

Where is the discussion as to "why?" for Michael Brown? Why is this 18-year-old just a ?

Guilty is guilty. But to search for explanations for some, while just treating others as "here comes another one"?

That, I do not understand.

I felt a lot of sympathy for this young man---until I saw him grab the little old man by the throat and throw him against the food rack. That was very aggressive and thuggish behavior, imo. He lost my sympathy at that point because I saw him as a cruel kid to do that to the clerk, just so he could get blunt wraps. That really bothered me.

I know that 18 yr olds have undeveloped brains. I raised some teens who made some silly, 'undeveloped' choices at times. But never violent or aggressive ones while committing a felony.

As to the 'why"---in terms of Big Mike, I think it is partly a symptom of the '' culture manufactured by the entertainment industry. He was perhaps a victim of that big machine. Teaching the kids to feel entitled-- entitled to steal, rob, get high, and be proud of it.

I am sure he was a sweet kid. Many people liked him. His family loved him. They have endured a great loss and I understand their anger and grief. But is it really fair to place the vitriol upon the officer, IF he had been a victim of assault and was faced with a life and death struggle over his gun?

 

[Yoda]

Hopefully she will make the rounds tomorrow on the news shows. I can't wait to hear her story.

Or why she thinks a camera company is the governor. (See the sign she is holding)

Obviously this thread is making me loopy.

 

[JLSChook]

Right on Bill!

Isn't that one of the best videos you've ever watched? Thanks again, Foxfire!

 

[CARIIS]

The perp and LE were not on top of each other. LE on the street near the curb and perp on a little grass hill across the sidewalk. This needs investigation.

ETA I thought this incident happened inside the grocery store while the man was wielding a knife at officers.

I can be objective - in this shooting I think this is excessive. Its a bullet - it can fire in what a millisecond , before blasting him he should have gotten closer

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 2m
LIVE Updates: Mike Brown protests in Ferguson http://ift.tt/1nc3tEJ

That says bottles were thrown at LE again

 

[Isabelle]

Anderson covering the man with the knife.

 

[KEVINinTO]

This is driving me crazy. I don't have cable. May I please ask what they are saying?

This new witness was in his apartment about a block away from the incident. When he heard a commotion he looked out his window and saw MB beside the cruiser engaged in some kind of struggle. He was very vague on what the struggle actually entailed. I think he was too far away to see in great detail.

He then saw the officer get out of his squad car and MB started running down the street (presumably away from the officer although it is not clear and Anderson being the lousy reporter he is did not request clarification). At that point the witness claims the officer fired two shots. He was not sure if these two shots struck MB.

At this point the witness decided to go outside to get a closer look. He lives in a two-floor walk-up apartment so I don't know how long it would take for him to get downstairs and outside.

When the witness got outside he saw MB in a crouched position with his arms clutching his his stomach (not in the air!) taking steps TOWARDS the officer. At that point the officer fired the fatal head wounds.

I don't think this new witness account is very significant because he did not see what happened in the crucial seconds before the head shot because, as mentioned, the witness was making his way from his second floor apartment to the outside. CNN's Jeffrey Toobin stupidly called this newest eyewitness account a "bombshell".

 

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"We're young, we're strong, we're marching all night long" - protesters return to W Florissant as rain lets up. #Ferguson #MichaelBrown
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