MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[MyBelle]

This is just coming from my gut, but I feel like telling your friend to keep running is consistent with, "I'm about to turn around and go back towards the cop, but don't want you to come with me."

I agree with you. I think MB had an agenda and intended to follow through with it.

JMO

 

[branwynbreeze]

Re:graze wounds. I was grazed by shrapnel in upper left side of back. I remember falling, but do not remember pain until much later. I am guessing that MB's adrenaline was pumping and didn't feel shots.

I also think MB was wounded mostly while struggle in car was going on with one or two after MB walked away then turned to face officer.

 

[bettybaby00]

No, but if I could have a girl-crush, it would be for her.

I don't watch a lot, but when I do, wow. Beauty, brilliance, charisma, quick, focused...

She's everything a few others should be. Heck, I wish I could be like her. :thumbup:

:floorlaugh: agreed, eve the part about the girl crush :blushing:

K, I literally video taped the segment on my ipad but can't figure out how to upload to Utube!!!!!

On the rewatch it's hard to follow b/c they are running the segments of this new witness, Brady, along with that article earlier describing in detail how Wilson was "beaten," according to a "source.

I think I can screen cap it though......

 

[tlcya]

My goal here is truth. My concern here is truth. Not one sided agenda driven BS the talking heads and the media (ETA or extremist of either stance) are pushing. So I am examining EVERYTHING and trying to see what fits to create a logical theory of what actually happened. It is disheartening when others feel so strongly about something that they assume what others think and take a confrontation stance based on those sometimes erroneous assumptions.

 

[Phoebeb]

I could see MB knowing how much trouble he was in if DW was able to identify him for what had just happened at the car. Sort of like a Hail Mary to double back and take care of things, telling Dorian to keep running.

I agree with you. I think MB had an agenda and intended to follow through with it.

JMO

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I wonder if tonite is any indication of what tomorrow will bring, or if this is just the weather that has prevented anything from happening tonite.

 

[bettybaby00]

:floorlaugh: agreed, eve the part about the girl crush :blushing:

K, I literally video taped the segment on my ipad but can't figure out how to upload to Utube!!!!!

On the rewatch it's hard to follow b/c they are running the segments of this new witness, Brady, along with that article earlier describing in detail how Wilson was "beaten," according to a "source.

I think I can screen cap it though......

Eta:

Here is the screen cap of what this witness said

Like I said, they then segued back to the earlier fox article about Wilson "being severely beaten" by the "source."

The source inside the police dept. tells them then that "there is evidence, MB touched Wilson's gun"

:dunno:

Take that for what it's worth. mods, if this shouldn't be posted, please edit accordingly

 

[tlcya]

I hope liloleme found those links requested from me, they are on the previous page. I hope they are helpful.

Good night my fellow WSers. I go to sleep again tonight with prayers of peace and no more deaths do to the state of unrest in Ferguson. I pray the residents who want this to end so they can come out of their homes get that very soon.

 

[Dr. Know?]

As a person pushing 100 on the wrong side, lol.

I can't let the racism card play again. Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton, go home.

I honestly know what racism is. I was raised in a family of the 60's where we were warned if blacks showed up. gah, I could go on why I found out it doesn't work to be racist...

Anywho, I have to give it to Bill O, Fox News, he did finally hit it on the head for me, who's pushing 100, lol jmo

obviously, too many have been given press passes. smeezy easy to get. jmo

 

[MyBelle]

I could see MB knowing how much trouble he was in if DW was able to identify him for what had just happened at the car. Sort of like a Hail Mary to double back and take care of things, telling Dorian to keep running.

I dunno. I have no idea if MB had a cell phone but if so, investigators will see who he called and who called him in the moments leading up to this. I find it a little suspicious that the initial witnesses--at least one who immediately called the media--conveniently had cameras to capture the aftermath of the body in the street yet nothing to support their accusations MB was "compliant" or surrendering.

JMO

 

[liloleme]

ITA about the hands up. It never made sense that he'd keep them up once a bullet hit.

Nor do I believe any shooter would keep hitting such a small target away from center mass, which is what is drilled into them to aim for anyway.

I do know it is common to grasp an injured arm with the other, uninjured and hold it into the belly. Not only from medical experience, but that's what I did when I busted my own right arm in half. The ER doctors even had a hard time getting me to pull it away.

I understand about guarding- I tore my rotator cuff.. cow that hurt so bad.. anyway..

All of these witness reports can't be true, but some are just accepting each piece without applying any logic at all.

If he's guarding his arm, he can't have 4 shots in it-- because the time the arm shots happened and the head shots happened were a matter of moments, I can just about guarantee. MB didn't have time to get shot 4 times in the arm, guard his arm, holler, and then get 2 headshots. 6 shots, in that pattern- took probably 2-4 seconds. That all happened and a witness saw it and was able to assimilate the information properly and recall it? I'm not buying it. It's not consistent with the evidence.

And, if he's guarding his arm, he can't be surrendering with his arms up, yelling "don't shoot".

Clearly untrue- some or all of it. My money is on "all of it".

 

[bettybaby00]

Okay, I'll cave. Someone please re-link
It...I'll
Watch it...

Begrudgingly ....it better be REALLY good...or I'm gonna be REALLY mad


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:lol: well?

 

[KEVINinTO]

Just a "heads up" CNN will be playing the interview with the "new witness" after a commercial break for those that haven't seen it yet.

 

[liloleme]

Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 3m
"I am the attorney general of the United States. But I am also a black man." Eric Holder today. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-0821-ferguson-holder-20140821-story.html …

He gets the Mr. Obvious Award of the Year. :doh:

 

[Muffet]

Another random thought I can't but wonder out loud. I don't know how to put it very well, but here goes...

How many dishes of eggs in their face do Sharpton and his ilk need before they decide it would behoove them to avoid jumping to conclusions?

I followed the LaCrosse story and enough others to be amazed that they aren't hiding in a hole somewhere. They have made enough money off of stoking outrage, I bet they could even afford a nice hole.

 

[MyBelle]

I understand about guarding- I tore my rotator cuff.. cow that hurt so bad.. anyway..

All of these witness reports can't be true, but some are just accepting each piece without applying any logic at all.

If he's guarding his arm, he can't have 4 shots in it-- because the time the arm shots happened and the head shots happened were a matter of moments, I can just about guarantee. MB didn't have time to get shot 4 times in the arm, guard his arm, holler, and then get 2 headshots. 6 shots, in that pattern- took probably 2-4 seconds. That all happened and a witness saw it and was able to assimilate the information properly and recall it? I'm not buying it. It's not consistent with the evidence.

And, if he's guarding his arm, he can't be surrendering with his arms up, yelling "don't shoot".

Clearly untrue- some or all of it. My money is on "all of it".

ITA. I remember how the Duke LaX case gradually unraveled. So many lives unnecessarily ruined by lies and over-zealous prosecution. Any witness found lying in this case should be prosecuted, imo.

 

[liloleme]

I was theorizing that the witness account about being shot in the stomach could have been him misconstruing that Brown was wounded by gunshot in the arm and then clutched it to his stomach (called) "guarding" in the medical field.

Brown suffered four other gunshot wounds to his right arm and palm.

SNIP

Two of the six bullets may have left and then re-entered Brown’s body, Baden said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f9904f19-dba5-58b4-ac4b-56b9bda29646.html

We were told one of those re-entries was from the wound near eye. It travelled down along the cheekbone and then exited. In the press conference where Dr. Baden and the alleged (since his qualifications have been questioned by many) forensics expert spoke and announced his findings he stated that several of the wounds to the arm were not entry wounds but grazing type of wounds, he then indicated where on the diagram the bullet holes (two) were and which bullet wounds were graze type wounds.

Link to the presser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynaac9a1kz8 17:39 mark of the video several of the wounds are described as superficial graze wounds by Parcells

as to him not yelling in pain perhaps Mr. Brown felt it was more important to yell at the officer to stop shooting at him. As far as I know none of the witnesses have described his tone while yelling or if his yelling might have been indicating pain AND stop shooting. Is there a link indicating he was not in pain or that his yells are required to be "OW! that hurts?"

ETA I personally feel Mr Brown was rushing football tackle style at the officer and the officer perceived threat and fired his weapon at the advancing 18 year old. I also have followed enough cases to believe the studies that say eye witness accounts can be notoriously flawed and biased by their own life experiences and what they hear afterwards from others.

My theory on the arm wounds is that during the tackle rush his arms were pumping back and forth. I believe the bullets that entered his arm first grazed him as his arms were pointing and pumping forward toward the officer. I believe the facial gunshot wound was able to enter at the trajectory it did as described in the autopsy presser because he was head down and forward, again a football rushing stance. that is my current working theory. That theory is subject to change as more facts come to light.

Sorry.. I thought you meant an actual expert, a doctor- the doctor said "graze wounds". I discount everything Parcells says. Zero cred. Sorry.

 

[bettybaby00]

I wonder if tonite is any indication of what tomorrow will bring, or if this is just the weather that has prevented anything from happening tonite.

They seem to be running out of steam? If so, I think the protest could easily be reignited....think Holder.

And I'm off too :seeya: night

 

[mdana]

This is taking the thread way off topic. The Olathe Naval Air Station was for pilot training. It was in Olathe, not Gardner,
Big during WWII, but fairly low-key by the time Viet Nam rolled around. Local guys who went into the Navy headed out of state for basic training. It wasn't a Navy Base of operations. It had classrooms. Navy jets were not flying in and out. Pretty much closed down while I was still in high school.

The only tie to this case is that it is obvious those committing the violence, looting and mayhem are NOT the ones wearing the uniform. I doubt any of them have EVER worn a uniform....
JMO

I am not following you. You edited my post making it look like I stated it was in Gardner. It stated:

Naval Air Station Olathe is a former United States Navy base located in Gardner, Kansas. On its grounds at one point was Olathe Air Force Station. After it was closed, it was redeveloped into New Century AirCenter.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Olathe

More that I did not originally post

The airport opened as Naval Air Station Olathe on October 1, 1942 and was referred locally as the Gardner, Kansas Navy Base because it was to be used for the Naval Air Transport Service (NATS) and Naval Air Primary Training Command (NAPTC) which had been operating out of Fairfax Airport.[1][2]

Google mapquest and type in driving directions for Gardner to Olathe.

http://www.mapquest.com/#f5f5278fb1f1ba1479537aba

New Century AirCenter is closer to "downtown" Gardner, KS than it is to Olathe. I don't know which city/town it was in when it closed, I assume part of Olathe. I just posted what Wikipedia had assuming that answered your response. You stated you were unfamiliar with any Naval Station in the 1950s in the Kansas City Area, and now seem to imply it doesn't meet some new criteria of yours as if it couldn't have been there. I am not sure if we have different definitions of the Kansas City area or my use of the word base instead of station caused problems. I think of navy and just assume base, army fort, marines camp. I don't know if he was in the reserves when he was stationed there or not. I just know he was stationed there in the mid to late 1950s, not exactly sure around 1957, I think.

-JMO

 

[katydid23]

Another random thought I can't but wonder out loud. I don't know how to put it very well, but here goes...

How many dishes of eggs in their face do Sharpton and his ilk need before they decide it would behoove them to avoid jumping to conclusions?

I followed the LaCrosse story and enough others to be amazed that they aren't hiding in a hole somewhere. They have made enough money off of stoking outrage, I bet they could even afford a nice hole.

But he NEVER admits he was wrong. To this day he tries to claim he was right about the Tawana Brawley case. He never backs down, or admits mistakes etc. If someone whipped out a secret video of Big Mike punching the officer and grappling over the gun, he'd still deny it.