MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[vulture]

My opinion in purple:

Rev. Jesse Jackson is worth $10 million by being a [social agitator] political activist.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/democrats/jesse-jackson-net-worth/

Rev. Al Sharpton is worth $5 million by being a [social agitator] political activist.

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/televangelists/al-sharpton-net-worth/

These two men became millionaires at the expense of their own people. They are parasites who keep things stirred up so that there will be no peace because folks being peaceful does not earn them any/enough money. JMO

Remember the song "Cult of Personality" by Living Color? "I exploit you, you worship me. I tell you one and one makes three..."

 

[cady]

Why does everyone keep saying, "we want justice for Mike!"

How are they so certain justice hasn't already been served?!?

IMO The vast majority of people on this planet confuse "justice", which is a process, with revenge, which for most, is far more satisfying. They support their barbarism by citing the notion of "an eye for an eye" from their "holy" books. JMO

 

[SStarr33]

I've never heard them call any wound on MB's body as "superficial graze type injuries". Do you have a link for that?

I've only heard that he was shouting, "don't shoot". I've never heard he was shouting, as if to indicate pain.

Again, if he's clutching his arm against his stomach, there's no way he could have been shot in the arm. And, there's no way he could have had his arms extended, surrendering. So, someone (or everyone) is lying.

What I don't understand is how he could have held his hands in in surrender to take that many shots. Also, the NYT said:

Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

There are only 8 wounds on the body, so could one bullet have done all of the arm damage and a bit of the chest? I don't think even that adds up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

 

[LambChop]

Wasn't it reported that the officer said "freeze"? Someone, anyone who had just been assaulted having their assailant coming back at them would assume that person was going to assault them again. Ask any victim of domestic violence. That is if MB was, in fact, headed back towards the officer and taunting him.

During an investigation LE does not disclose information that is still considered ongoing. The demonstrating is controlled by the people themselves who are demonstrating not by what information is being released, or not released. People have the right to know the truth but investigations take time if it's the truth they are really after. Unfortunately in todays world everyone wants today's information yesterday. jmo

 

[oh_gal]

here ya go Linda

http://www.billoreilly.com/video#play go just below the one that cues up to the one called the truth about Ferguson - talking points

I agreed with it so much I bookmarked it.

I am really missing something here, I think. I'm going to blame it on not having enough coffee -- I'm just not mentally "up to speed", but what did he mean, at the end (like, the last 3 seconds) when he said, "What happened to Michael Brown shouldn't happen to any American?"

He shouldn't have been shot by police? (If this is what he's saying...and if the officer's account of what happened turns out to be the truth, then whose fault was it that MB was shot??)
He shouldn't have assaulted an officer? (allegedly)
He shouldn't have roughed up the clerk? (allegedly)
He should have chosen a better life for himself?

I was right with him until that point...and then it's like his comment made no sense.

Anyone have any insight into what he was referring to?

Thanks for your help!

 

[vulture]

I honestly know what racism is. I was raised in a family of the 60's where we were warned if blacks showed up. gah, I could go on why I found out it doesn't work to be racist...

The vast majority of my family were not racist because of religious reasons, but I remember my Mom's uncle saying once "Black people don't keep up their houses." This was while I worked at the hardware store. I said I don't agree with that, all day at my job I sell cart loads of lumber and paint and stuff to black people, what are they doing with all that stuff if they aren't trying to fix up their houses? Maybe they started with less than we have and they're just doing the best they can with what they have. Sure some of them don't care but some white people don't care either. He conceded I had a point. This is why I don't like forced segregation or self-segregation, if you don't know people of other races you might believe what people tell you about them.

 

[popsicle]

Retweeted by Matt Pearce
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Alex Ogle ‏@Alex_Ogle 39m
With another powerful photo, Scott Olson also just got the front cover of latest issue of @BW
https://twitter.com/Alex_Ogle/status/502433822248419328
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvj5nt4CEAAGMxF.jpg

Oh, that cover. :notgood:

ETA http://www.businessweek.com/article...onomic-political-conditions-fuel-protest-fury​

 

[bettybaby00]

I wonder if he knows about the evidence to the contrary? He surely must. If he sticks to this story, no one will believe anything he says plus I think he's going to find himself in some deep doo doo.

:seeya:

It's interesting that Parks is insisting DJ hasn't changed his story. He is conveniently not mentioning anything that proceeded the actual shooting. I saved this USA article outlining DJs 1st version of events, which contain a number of extreme details. A number of these things we know are not true, and I think the forensics are unlikely to support them either.

FERGUSON, Missouri —

“I saw the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” said Dorian Johnson, 22. “Then I saw the fire come out of the barrel.”

Johnson, in an exclusive interview with msnbc, said what began as an order by a police officer to ‘get the f— onto the sidewalk’ quickly escalated into a physical altercation and then, gunfire.

“I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close,” said Johnson, who said he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer when the first of several shots was fired at the teen. Johnson says he feared for his life as he watched the officer squeezing off shot after shot.


About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.


“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.

“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”

A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.

“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.

“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-protests-continue/13989945/
Emphasis mine.

 

[popsicle]

I am really missing something here, I think. I'm going to blame it on not having enough coffee -- I'm just not mentally "up to speed", but what did he mean, at the end (like, the last 3 seconds) when he said, "What happened to Michael Brown shouldn't happen to any American?"

He shouldn't have been shot by police? (If this is what he's saying...and if the officer's account of what happened turns out to be the truth, then whose fault was it that MB was shot??)
He shouldn't have assaulted an officer? (allegedly)
He shouldn't have roughed up the clerk? (allegedly)
He should have chosen a better life for himself?

I was right with him until that point...and then it's like his comment made no sense.

Anyone have any insight into what he was referring to?

Thanks for your help!

I pondered the same things.

 

[oh_gal]

I really wish it were possible to install an all-black police force in Ferguson. It would be interesting to see how crime would be handled then, if crime rates would lower, etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/justice/ferguson-residents-police-history/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[vulture]

I really wish it were possible to install an all-black police force in Ferguson. It would be interesting to see how crime would be handled then, if crime rates would lower, etc.

Some callers on local talk radio believe that black police officers are generally tougher on black suspects than white police are. That is anecdotal and there is no way for me to know the truth of it but it's consistent with my experience with my black co-managers at Wal-Mart. They put up with a lot less than I did! They were not saddled with white guilt or the perception of white guilt. And perception is everything when dealing with the public!

 

[Lovejac]

The fund for Darren Wilson has surpassed the 100K goal

:woohoo: I hope he now knows how much support he has.

 

[Foxfire]

Parks- even the worst injury possible to DW doesn't make the shooting/death of MB justifiable.

MB was not a jaywalker, but a fleeing felon, imo. Combine this with the violent physical assaults committed by MB against the store clerk and then DW, and you have a recipe for disaster, imo..

 

[Lovejac]

Alright, I did it. I finally listened to O'Reilly's truth about Ferguson talking point. I think I shared the other night that I really really don't care for him.

That man succinctly and eloquently expressed my thoughts on this case. As if he is in my head.

I am freaking out. I completely and totally agree with Bill O'Reilly. Like literally EVERY word of it.

What does this mean?

How did this happen? To me? A hybrid, a card carrying conservative liberal???

:thinking: :waitasec:

:thud:

:therethere: It happens! Some of my favorite people are liberals

 

[bettybaby00]

This is significant to me.

I wanted to watch the vid of Powell on NG from last night b/c I wanted to hear th3 "u-turn" comment in context.

I had to stop watching, b/c in the first few moments they put up this graphic, which includes info discussed at Baden's press conference. At that press conference they showed the bullet wound diagram, but not like this, and this IMO shows the info in a much clearer way.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/20/brown-michael-gunshot-wounds-explained-entry-exit

This diagram, suggesting the possible re-entry wounds makes the "shots 6 times," statement less damning so to speak. By highlighting the possible re-entry wounds in this way, I better understand why MB could have remained "aggressive" toward Wilson after the first 4 shots. Also, considering that this all happened in seconds, the idea of "shot six times," doesn't seem excessive.

All Moo

 

[Foxfire]

:woohoo: I hope he now knows how much support he has.

Originally Posted by SStarr33 View Post
The fund for Darren Wilson has surpassed the 100K goal

Announced on Fox News that the legal defense fund for Darren Wilson has now surpassed the 118K mark....

 

[Muffet]

The Wikipedia entry is in desperate need of help. I'm an old editor, but will remain mobile for weeks.

Anyone who has the time and knows how or can take a few hours to learn how to assist would be doing a service to them and their readers.

 

[Lovejac]

Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 57s
Now a smaller rage-group. "You mother****ing reporters. You mother****ing police. Leave here so the kids can go to school."

Can someone give them a clue that the reason the MF reporters and the MF police are there, is because of THEM! :facepalm:

Apparently, THEY need to go back to school.

 

[Lovejac]

And clearly isn't true... MB wasn't shot in the stomach.

Nope not shot in the stomach, probably holding his shot up arm against his stomach.

 

[Muffet]

It would probably be helpful to have a pinned or introductory post here for collating relevant links, quotes, and timeline. I would be happy to help with that to assist late-comers to the story as it continues to evolve.