MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[SStarr33]

This guy is all kinds of backasswards IMO

Has he even seen the video of yesterday's shooting?

According to LE rules, if someone is within 21 feet of a PO and they are brandishing a knife, they can use deadly force. So these cops followed protocol.

 

[Zuri]

I am pretty well connected within the equine community. Most of these people are women who spend most of their time in the barn. I have found it fascinating reading their comments about this case as they are buying the media spin. They don't have all the facts, just what is being shown on CNN. It has opened up my eyes as to just how much media bias there is in this case.

As I have posted before, I NEVER watch Fox News. I have started watching Megyn Kelly though, because she sure has a very good grasp on this case and is asking the provocative questions. Thank you to all that recommended watching her take on things. She seems to be the fairest, most measured of all of the MSM on cable news.

 

[DebinGA]

Yesterday I read, who knows where now, the officer is killed 80% of the time in cases in which his/her gun is forcibly taken away by an assailant. Given that, police holsters must have a safety mechanism that impedes that somewhat.

 

[cady]

I was in the same position. What bothered me the most was that MB lay dead in the street for some time before being covered up. IMO that was blatant disrespect. The milling around of white LE within the crime tape and the hundreds of black residents on the outside, with K9 cops there, was problematic for me.

Could this whole thing have been handled better? No doubt. JMV

YES I do understand that the body was considered to be crucial evidence, but they could have put up one of those tents they use quickly to shelter it from onlookers. Interesting that they have Iraq war equipment to quell citizen uprisings, but they can't afford dash cams or body cams or an evidence tent.......JMO

 

[Lovejac]

An Open Letter to Captain Ronald S. Johnson; From former St. Louis Metro Area Police Chief Delmore



"Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed."

"Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—********. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it."

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/lifeline-training/open-letter-captain-ronald-s-j

ETA ~ I missed the "hug a looter" tweet on Twitter.

That was an AWESOME read. Thank you for posting :loveyou:

 

[SStarr33]

YES I do understand that the body was considered to be crucial evidence, but they could have put up one of those tents they use quickly to shelter it from onlookers. Interesting that they have Iraq war equipment to quell citizen uprisings, but they can't afford dash cams or body cams or an evidence tent.......JMO

I am so thankful they did not put up a tent to hide his body. That would have made things worse than they are.

 

[Tawny]

That's what soooo upsetting to me. No one cares about black on black crime. Young black are killed routinely in major cities everywhere by young black men. And those poor little babies that so often get caught in the crosshairs.
Where is the justice?


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These are two separate 'conversations'. One has nothing to do with the other, so comparing them and placing them side by side is inappropriate in that it doesn't help solve either problem.

 

[DebinGA]

That second picture is so disturbing

Yes, it is. This one is inspiring: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/502471781824086018/photo/1

 

[Ladylub]

That second picture is so disturbing

Agreed. Once things calm down they need to get police officers and good community members in schools, talk grade level to these students all the way up to high school. Invite their parents to listen in b/c I think many do not understand it themselves. Teaching them about laws, ways to get your message across the right way, how court systems works etc.....
This needs to be used as a teaching tool.

 

[Foxfire]

I think you mean "violent physical assaults committed by MB against the store clerk and then DW, and you have a recipe for disaster

Yes, krimekat, thanx for the correction.. Still on my first cup of coffee when the comment was made this morning...(Edited post)

 

[Lovejac]

That's what soooo upsetting to me. No one cares about black on black crime. Young black are killed routinely in major cities everywhere by young black men. And those poor little babies that so often get caught in the crosshairs.
Where is the justice?


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I guess those cases aren't the money makers, although, to me, they're the saddest. Young lives cut short, never knowing what their full potential might have been.

 

[Yoda]

These are two separate 'conversations'. One has nothing to do with the other, so comparing them and placing them side by side is inappropriate in that it doesn't help solve either problem.

Jmo The shooting of MB and LE being racist are two separate conversations, and by putting them together we get this cluster****.

 

[Lovejac]

I took it to mean that it is a shame when a young man of any color makes the sorts of alleged decisions that end as Mr. Brown's did, with that young man dead. I took it as him speaking to the sad state of affairs that exists in this country where young men have no guidance and a community encourages and justifies those bad decisions and choices and then raises him up as a martyr who died for a greater cause.

I took it to mean that whatever experiences and guidance in life caused him to be where he was and doing what he was that day should be addressed so that no young American black or white with his life stretched out in front of him has to die on the street at age 18 because society has taught him the odds are stacked against him anyway and the world hates him and wants him dead.

No American should come up in this world hearing and seeing the dialogue daily that he is less than, that the rest of the world sees him as a threat so he may as well be one, that white America can't wait to see him fail or die or both.

I took it to mean that Bill blames that all too common world view which black children have been fed for generations on the race pushers who make their very good livings off of the hate and the discord. That world view is perpetuated by those activists like Al and Jesse and others. It is perpetuated because those men's pocket books and lifestyles would suffer greatly if people stopped buying what they were selling. Same for rich rappers who make their livings on the backs of their fans spouting hatred and divisiveness and then spout their opinions about how horrible it is that this or that young man died when they were the ones who spent years telling these young men this was their fate and there was no changing it.

Very easy to not do or be anything other than what you are told and taught the white world is only ever going to see you as anyway. I took it to mean that the societal lie being told by some is doing a huge disservice to many young black American males and that lie has killed Mr. Brown. Cops are not on a mission to kill black men. That lie is.

much easier to simply accept that you will never be anything more than a caricature that you have been taught people see you as from the day of your birth than to fight and struggle and make wise choices in order to move past that expectation and to become what God intended for you.

Brilliant! :clap:

I think you just wrote Bill's next speech.

 

[Ladylub]

According to LE rules, if someone is within 21 feet of a PO and they are brandishing a knife, they can use deadly force. So these cops followed protocol.

Also hindsight helps you realize things that could have been done. The cops are heading to places after near by police have already been threatened. Watching the video I could see that maybe there was a way to stop him without shooting but I do not have a knife holding person in front of me. I have the ability to replay the image before I make my call they do not its a one time deal.

 

[bwt42]

As I said before, I want to believe DW did not intentionally execute MB. However, I still have questions about what actually happened. If it wasn't an execution, was it reckless or excessive? IDK. The new witness, Michael Brady, although somewhat different than Tiffany & Piaget accounts, also states that DW was shooting @ MB as he fled. How does this factor in to the overall incident?

 

[krimekat]

YES I do understand that the body was considered to be crucial evidence, but they could have put up one of those tents they use quickly to shelter it from onlookers. Interesting that they have Iraq war equipment to quell citizen uprisings, but they can't afford dash cams or body cams or an evidence tent.......JMO

Ferguson LE does have dash cams but they had not been installed prior to 9 Aug; it has also been reported that Ferguson LE had appropriated body cams but were not in use prior to 9 Aug

In a press conference held last Wednesday, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson acknowledged his department received a grant from the Department of Justice to purchase dashboard and body cameras and acquired two of each. But, Jackson said, the department doesn't have the money to implement the technology.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ard_cameras_body_cams_in_wake_of_ferguson.php

 

[QueenD]

An Open Letter to Captain Ronald S. Johnson; From former St. Louis Metro Area Police Chief Delmore



"Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed."

"Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—********. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it."

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/lifeline-training/open-letter-captain-ronald-s-j

ETA ~ I missed the "hug a looter" tweet on Twitter.

Kudos to Chief Delmore for speaking the truth.




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[Suthrnqt]

An Open Letter to Captain Ronald S. Johnson; From former St. Louis Metro Area Police Chief Delmore



"Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed."

"Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—********. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it."

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/lifeline-training/open-letter-captain-ronald-s-j

ETA ~ I missed the "hug a looter" tweet on Twitter.

Thanks for this! I went and read the whole letter and I highly recommend others do as well.

 

[Lovejac]

YES I do understand that the body was considered to be crucial evidence, but they could have put up one of those tents they use quickly to shelter it from onlookers. Interesting that they have Iraq war equipment to quell citizen uprisings, but they can't afford dash cams or body cams or an evidence tent.......JMO

If they had tried to shield MB's body in any way, I feel it would have caused an uprising with the spectators. They surely would have been blamed for trying to hide something or plant something.

 

[LambChop]

When a link clearly states it's a political blog it has no place on this thread. There is a political forum available. It is just not here.