MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[Lovejac]

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Koran Addo ‏@KoranAddo 27m
Roses laid down in the street for #MikeBrown now stretching more than a hundred
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Good for them. Way more respectful IMO than cigars and booze

 

[KEVINinTO]

I agree with everything you said except Wilson being the true victim. That IMO is disrespectful to Michael Brown, his family and his friends. Wilson May end up being a victim in all of this but IMO Michael Brown is the True victim.

If it proven that MB did in fact attempt to grab Wilson's firearm we can reasonably conclude that MB was killed as a result of his attempt to kill a police officer. If that is the case I don't think MB could be considered a "true victim". He simply becomes a decedent and other than his family and friends I cannot fathom why anyone would feel sorry about his loss of life.

 

[katydid23]

Honestly, do you think if this were over just one isolated incident, that people would be this upset, to the extent of protesting all these days? What is there to gain for them? Why would people be this angry over just one isolated incident??

Can anyone just acknowledge even the possibility that these people of Ferguson have focused on MBs case simply because it was the last straw??


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I NEVER said this was one isolated incident. I will not pretend that blacks are always treated fairly, or politely by LE. [ nor vice-versa]

But choosing Michael Brown as their poster boy for innocent victim is a big mistake. This was most likely a justified use of force, and MB was the aggressor, after committing a felony. So the protestors look foolish, imo, if they hang their hats on THIS PARTICULAR CASE. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I consider myself intelligent as well, and i can see many possibilities... Again "tussle" does not equate MB assaulting Wilson. IMO

Yeah, well I consider myself rather brilliant.... Then I turn on jeopardy....and feel like a moron.


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[Linda7NJ]

If it proven that MB did in fact attempt to grab Wilson's firearm we can reasonably conclude that MB was killed as a result of his attempt to kill a police officer. If that is the case I don't think MB could be considered a "true victim". He simply becomes a decedent and other than his family and friends I cannot fathom why anyone would feel sorry about his loss of life.

I feel sorry for him now.
So young, threw his entire life away ...and for what?

IMO


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[Frydaddy]

More people need to read and re-read Gardenlady's post. No matter what you think of MB, society needs to understand that this happens and happens often. This is what the protests are about not this particular shooting...... I highly encourage everyone to give this a few minutes thought, especially if you haven't been subjected to it... Imagine what it must feel like... Just imagine it..

So Wilson should pay for the sins of all bad cops?

 

[Gardenlady]

Well....they picked the wrong straw....IMO....

Because we all get to pick when we have finally had enough??


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[Lovejac]

Ok I got ya... You didn't mean they are not savvy, you mean everybody isn't savvy...it's a human problem.

No way would I insult the parents. Their son is dead. I have 3 boys and can't imagine their grief.

 

[Lovejac]

Cariis, do you mean very good sleuthing?

:giggle: Good thing that 'h' is there :giggle:

 

[Gardenlady]

I do not think any of us feel MB deserved to die. When it comes to 18 year olds they think they are invincible. Add a cocky attitude and things happen that put them in some very dangerous situations whether it be with a gang member or with the police. That is what needs to be corrected. jmo

Maybe what needs to be corrected is cops thinking the best way to deal with cocky, mouthy teens is with a gun??


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[Wysteria]

Just watched an interesting exchange on Anderson Cooper. He had Mark O'Mara on (Trayvon Martin's attorney) and O'Mara said that he was very surprised that we have not heard from a lawyer representing Wilson. O'Mara said it is important to hear from supporters of Wilson in order to counter the narrative being put out by the MB family attorneys. Also on the program was the president of the St Louis police association. He couldn't confirm that Wilson has an attorney . He added that if he was advising Wilson he would tell him to "keep his head down". I wonder if the president of the St Louis police association has been advising Wilson and if this is why we have not seen a counter narrative put forward by supporters of Wilson?

I think they are making a big mistake with this approach. Right from day one Wilson should have had an attorney to represent him in the media who could counter the false narratives being created.

BBM, I agree. As to the reason why? Refer to some of my posts (and other members posts). I'm attempting not to repeat myself over and over. Great post, thank you.

 

[CoolJ]

I have not seen that reported. Do you have a link for any statement that Holder has made regarding his belief? I thought Holder was above that type of rush to judgment. Do you mean the Governor?

Yes, you may be right, it may have been the governor. Holder did say however that he stands with the people of Ferguson.

 

[Frydaddy]

Yes but does it happen to you because you are white and blonde? Does it happen to you with regularity? So you get roughed up because of it?

And besides all that - why is any human being - white black or purple - expected to bow and scrape before cops? If they treat you disrespectfully, why are they automatically owed unquestioning obedience?

You are a human being, and deserve to be treated like one. Regardless of whether you wear a badge or not!


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Agree with this. What did you do with each time you were dealt with disrespectfully, if I may ask?

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Not sure how much help i will be in transcribing live feeds, still in a ton of pain... Will try my best

 

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anonymous group lays 60 plus yards of roses at #MichaelBrown #Ferguson memorial; community lights candles in memoriam

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That is moving imo

 

[Minette]

Maybe what needs to be corrected is cops thinking the best way to deal with cocky, mouthy teens is with a gun??


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I am right there with you up until the point that the cocky mouthy teen gets physical with the cop.

 

[TheDuchess]

THINGS THAT DO NOT PERTAIN TO THIS CASE:
1.) Any other cases where blacks have been unjustly
2.) The demographics of the Ferguson Police Department
3.) Michael's age
4.) Michael's nor Wilson's race
5.) Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Governor Nixon, Eric Holder or Barrack Obama
6.) The media
7.) Any of us here

WHAT DOES MATTER TO THIS CASE:
1.) Was Officer Wilson justified in shooting Michael Brown, i.e., did he have reasonable fear of immediate bodily harm or death?

 

[CARIIS]

IMO we need to be careful of taking the notion that Le and the judicial system is the end all say all. We have to be honest with oursleves. It is not a justice system, nor one about guilt or innocne.

It is a legal system and there is a huge differnce - it is playing games taking pleas before any authentic even look at guilt or innocense

It is defense attornies that pretty daily , go to work knowing that they are playing legal games not a real cconcern about getting an innocent person off

it is much more about socio ecomic status about who gets more innocent conclsuions, better pleas.
It is big bussiness, with everyone real goal is to either clear the dockets or make room for another retainer by gently encouraging folks to plea out, becasue although they cant say for sure , most of the time the defendant gets the well the statue says it could be punished by 5 years in prison

It is riddled wiht curruption its like a football game the prosctor gets points for guilty regardless of the truth and the defense attorney score board is his bank account .

[h=2]DNA Exonerations Nationwide[/h][Print Version]
There have been 317 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 38 states; since 2000, there have been 250 exonerations.
• 18 of the 317 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.5 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,249.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
Races of the 317 exonerees:
199 African Americans
94 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php

A nationwide push by prosecutors and police to re-examine possible wrongful convictions contributed to a record number of exonerations in 2013, according to a report released Tuesday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/record-number-of-wrongful-convictions-overturned-in-2013/

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- About 10,000 people in the United States may be wrongfully convicted of serious crimes each year, a new study suggests.

he study also found that the most important factor leading to wrongful conviction is eyewitness misidentification.

Wrongful convictions undermine public confidence in the judicial system and should be viewed with alarm, said Huff

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm

Its about $$$$$$, sadly .

 

[Observer in AZ]

I agree with everything you said except Wilson being the true victim. That IMO is disrespectful to Michael Brown, his family and his friends. Wilson May end up being a victim in all of this but IMO Michael Brown is the True victim.

I may respectfully somewhat agree with you.. MB was a victim of a counter culture that we as Americans have chosen to apathetically accept and not challenge with truth.

My mother used to say 'You can be poor but you don't have to be dirty, soap only cost pennies' something she learned from her Grandmother.

She'd say this meaning just because you don't have money you can't have pride and respect for what you have take care of things and yourself and you can do that with smallest investment.

Not a slur but a mantra we don't have to be seen a mess have respect be respectful. My mother also ate hot dog gravy on white bread only meat they had, she only had 9th grade education she dropped out to get married felt a burden on her Grandmother who was raising her because their mom left with her mother while she took off after a man.. Oh did I mention white family in the 60's but my mother knew every generation wants the next to have it better..

MB was victim of counter culture.

 

[Linda7NJ]

THINGS THAT DO NOT PERTAIN TO THIS CASE:
1.) Any other cases where blacks have been unjustly
2.) The demographics of the Ferguson Police Department
3.) Michael's age
4.) Michael's nor Wilson's race
5.) Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Governor Nixon, Eric Holder or Barrack Obama
6.) The media
7.) Any of us here

WHAT DOES MATTER TO THIS CASE:
1.) Was Officer Wilson justified in shooting Michael Brown, i.e., did he have reasonable fear of immediate bodily harm or death?

Agree 100%




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