MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[bettybaby00]

Watching both Michael Brady videos, to me he's saying 2 different things about the gunshots at the car. In the ACooper interview he talks about the 2 shots at the car window as if he did hear the shots. In the longer CNBC video he says he didn't hear any shots, himself before the fatal shots were fired. Hmm.

at about 4:50 in this MSNBC video he didn't hear any shots at the car because he was in his house and never heard shots http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...fo-in-brown-shooting-320756803662#discussions

at about 6:30 in this CNN video he says he watched from his window and the officer shoots "a couple of times" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYqrAhpo_w4

Yea in the first vid, IRRC he says he can't really tell if they were physical with each other. In the 2nd, he states MBs arms are in the car and mimics punching action when he's saying that. When asked to clarify if MB is hitting wilson he says no, I just used that gesture b/c his arms were in the car...(isn't he then in fact reiterating that MB was punching the officer?). When asked if Wilson is punching MB, and responds, "yea, he's punching ALSO" which again is reaffirming MB is punching Wilson.

Also important, "I didn't see his hands up"

Does he make the comment again that led us to believe MB was holding his arm across his stomach?

To me he almost seems afraid of what to say :dunno:

 

[Phoebeb]

This was the article I had been looking for, for some reason i had USA Today in my head as the source.

I'm going to post the parts that are part of DJs recounting of events (dated the 8/13) b/c it's shocking to me how he was first describing it, and since the autopsy report from Baden and "Professor" Parcells, along with Parks and Grumps admissions how much has to be discounted.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting

*no mention of the strong arm assault. In fact he doesn't even put himself at the store w/MB
*grabs MBs neck so tightly the muscles in his arm are bulging as he chokes MB. Where are the marks on MB?
*how does OW manage to maintain that hold while removing his gun from its holster, and firing off a shot?
*Witness Brady states DJ was standing at the front of the car, toward the passenger side.
*then "bam, the 2nd shot strikes him in the back. Uhm, no.
*he hides behind a parked car with 2 screaming witnesses...crouched down a bit. Brady states no one in parked car. Gotta ask, how far crouched down was he really below sight line of car?
*By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position....there is no truth to this statement whatsoever. MB and OW were face-to-face? Really? And OW just fired repeatedly at an unarmed man, with his hands in the air???? And how did he uncurl himself from a fetal position?

After reading this again, I'm not sure he saw anything after the 2 moved away from the car?

If this ever moves past the GJ to trial, he's going to have a lot of explaining these statements, and how exactly they even remotely correlate to the autopsy.

BBM- Wow, wouldn't that be something? What if he did really run, kept running like MB told him to. The way he described coming back to the scene, it could sort of sound like that was the first time he saw his friend shot in the street. If he did flee after the car altercation, I could totally understand why. He could have gotten in trouble for so many things at that point and with the officer's attention on MB, he may have done that. All my opinion, of course. Just thinking and typing out loud.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, sorry, what I meant was in the case that this goes to jury trial, and there is some evidence backing up DJ, or the jury ends up believing that Wilson did in fact say something along those lines. Basically, it will not look good for Wilson if the jury ends up believing that he began by provoking MB with curse words, etc..

As far as driving away, so if Wilson was driving away, how did MB end up being shot?? Wouldn't he have just continued to drive away? Do you think MB ran up to his driving-away car and started assaulting him? Or does it make more sense that it was Wilson who backed back up to the boys? JMO, but the latter makes more sense to me.

According to both sides, the cop drove by the teens, who were walking down the center of the 2 lane road, and were blocking traffic. He slowed down and told them to get out of the road. The only difference in versions is that Dorian said he said EFFIN road. But both sides agree the cop kept driving.

Then he looked in his mirror and saw they were continuing to block traffic and did not move out of the road. This is a 2 lane road, so cars have to go into oncoming traffic to pass them.
Then he looked in his mirror and saw they were continuing to block traffic and did not move out of the road. This is a 2 lane road, so cars have to go into oncoming traffic to pass them. At this point, he backed up and had further discussion. Imo, this is when he might have said ' get out of the effin road.'

According to Dorian, they told the cop NO< WE ARE ALMOST HOME, WE ARE NOT MOVING. This was from Dorian, not the cops words. At this point, reportedly according to some accounts, the cop heard the BOLO description of the teens who did the store robbery. And MB was carrying the cigarillos.

SPECULATION warning: knowing the above, I think the cop might have said, Hey, where'd you get those cigarillos? "And began to exit the car. I dont think he expected to be blindsided.

The ENTIRE interaction between Wilson and Brown lasted 50 seconds, from start to finish.

 

[aa9511]

Thank You. well thought out post.

Also, no mention of the initial verbal interaction. Why does the cop suddenly and without provocation, reach out his car window and grab a huge muscular teen by the neck?

And no mention of MB ever hitting the cop. Only says that MB is trying hard to 'break free.' That makes me doubt this version. Wilson is not nearly as big and strong as MB. Why would he put himself in such a vulnerable position, as grabbing the teen by his throat and 'try to pull him into the car.' That makes zero sense to me.

bbm

The same argument could be made the other way - why would MB start assaulting the officer (if he did) without any provocation?

 

[katydid23]

bbm

The same argument could be made the other way - why would MB start assaulting the officer (if he did) without any provocation?

Maybe because he was walking down the street holding STOLEN MERCHANDISE from a robbery ten minutes earlier?

 

[aa9511]

According to both sides, the cop drove by the teens, who were walking down the center of the 2 lane road, and were blocking traffic. He slowed down and told them to get out of the road. The only difference in versions is that Dorian said he said EFFIN road. But both sides agree the cop kept driving.

Then he looked in his mirror and saw they were continuing to block traffic and did not move out of the road. This is a 2 lane road, so cars have to go into oncoming traffic to pass them.
Then he looked in his mirror and saw they were continuing to block traffic and did not move out of the road. This is a 2 lane road, so cars have to go into oncoming traffic to pass them. At this point, he backed up and had further discussion. Imo, this is when he might have said ' get out of the effin road.'

According to Dorian, they told the cop NO< WE ARE ALMOST HOME, WE ARE NOT MOVING. This was from Dorian, not the cops words. At this point, reportedly according to some accounts, the cop heard the BOLO description of the teens who did the store robbery. And MB was carrying the cigarillos.

SPECULATION warning: knowing the above, I think the cop might have said, Hey, where'd you get those cigarillos? "And began to exit the car. I dont think he expected to be blindsided.

The ENTIRE interaction between Wilson and Brown lasted 50 seconds, from start to finish.

According to Dorian, they told the cop NO< WE ARE ALMOST HOME, WE ARE NOT MOVING. This was from Dorian, not the cops words. At this point, reportedly according to some accounts, the cop heard the BOLO description of the teens who did the store robbery. And MB was carrying the cigarillos.

SPECULATION warning: knowing the above, I think the cop might have said, Hey, where'd you get those cigarillos? "And began to exit the car. I dont think he expected to be blindsided.

The ENTIRE interaction between Wilson and Brown lasted 50 seconds, from start to finish.

Doesn't it make more sense that after Wilson started off (after he told them to get off the street), he heard the BOLO or whatever it was, heard the description of the boys, realized that they were the same boys, and then backed back up to them?

In that case, the second time Wilson would have encountered them, he would have already had in his mind that this guys are "thugs" and had a much stronger attitude the second time around.

I just think the true story is somewhere in between what Wilson says (through the caller) and what DJ says.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Maybe because he was walking down the street holding STOLEN MERCHANDISE from a robbery ten minutes earlier?

Uh-huh, so wouldn't that be more cause to avoid confrontations with police officers?

 

[Apollo]

Thank You. well thought out post.

Also, no mention of the initial verbal interaction. Why does the cop suddenly and without provocation, reach out his car window and grab a huge muscular teen by the neck?

And no mention of MB ever hitting the cop. Only says that MB is trying hard to 'break free.' That makes me doubt this version. Wilson is not nearly as big and strong as MB. Why would he put himself in such a vulnerable position, as grabbing the teen by his throat and 'try to pull him into the car.' That makes zero sense to me.

The version that Wilson grabbed him by the neck and tried to pull him in through the window of the car is almost laughable. I mean---what the heck do you do with a 295lb, 6'4'' man once you've pulled him into the car? The answer would seem to be---->nothing, because you wouldn't be able to move.

 

[katydid23]

Uh-huh, so wouldn't that be more cause to avoid confrontations with police officers?

One would think so. But MB was NOT avoiding confrontations. He was walking ILLEGALLY down the middle of a 2 lane road, and when asked to move, he said NO. Doesnt sound like he was avoiding confrontations at all.

 

[bettybaby00]

To me, that Purcell guy, harmed the case for the death of MB. Way to go man. SMH

jmo

It might not matter in the end. If "they" do additional work on the families behalf, and have a very different outcome to the courts ME and the Feds ME, then that load of poo poo which is Parcells "expertise" will come into play. Could prove a big proble for the civil suit though.

K, I'm off too : seeya:

 

[gngr~snap]

BBM- Wow, wouldn't that be something? What if he did really run, kept running like MB told him to. The way he described coming back to the scene, it could sort of sound like that was the first time he saw his friend shot in the street. If he did flee after the car altercation, I could totally understand why. He could have gotten in trouble for so many things at that point and with the officer's attention on MB, he may have done that. All my opinion, of course. Just thinking and typing out loud.

I would think if he still was crouching behind a car that OW would have called him out from behind it and kept him there to be interviewed at the least.
Running sounds about right...moo

All posts are MOO

 

[Muffet]

This was the article I had been looking for, for some reason i had USA Today in my head as the source.

I'm going to post the parts that are part of DJs recounting of events (dated the 8/13) b/c it's shocking to me how he was first describing it, and since the autopsy report from Baden and "Professor" Parcells, along with Parks and Grumps admissions how much has to be discounted.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting

*no mention of the strong arm assault. In fact he doesn't even put himself at the store w/MB
*grabs MBs neck so tightly the muscles in his arm are bulging as he chokes MB. Where are the marks on MB?
*how does OW manage to maintain that hold while removing his gun from its holster, and firing off a shot?
*Witness Brady states DJ was standing at the front of the car, toward the passenger side.
*then "bam, the 2nd shot strikes him in the back. Uhm, no.
*he hides behind a parked car with 2 screaming witnesses...crouched down a bit. Brady states no one in parked car. Gotta ask, how far crouched down was he really below sight line of car?
*By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position....there is no truth to this statement whatsoever. MB and OW were face-to-face? Really? And OW just fired repeatedly at an unarmed man, with his hands in the air???? And how did he uncurl himself from a fetal position?

After reading this again, I'm not sure he saw anything after the 2 moved away from the car?

If this ever moves past the GJ to trial, he's going to have a lot of explaining these statements, and how exactly they even remotely correlate to the autopsy.

Adding to or elaborating on your points, a few things that always caught my notice:

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"The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking."
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OK, now...knowing the context, well, I think others have said it better than I can. All I can think is, "lol come on, now... "

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But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.=====​

Which perfectly coincides with the police chief's statement that the officer did not initially connect the two to the robbery in the area, he made the connection during the incident. (I'll provide quotes and links below.)

Realizing the two were more than just road-blockers, but fit a BOLO for robbers would be a good reason to do a quick about-face and approach them in such a way.

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Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body. =====​

I think this blood on MB while officer Wilson is still in the car is very important. Pooling wouldn't likely come from the "tussling", but from the bullet or gun injury.


Promised cites:

Ferguson officer realized during encounter that Michael Brown might be suspect in robbery, chief says.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cr...5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true


Police Chief Thomas Jackson said the officer who fired the fatal shots, Darren Wilson, did not know Michael Brown was a robbery suspect when he initially stopped the teen and a companion "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Jackson told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Wilson knew there had been a robbery in the area but did not know that Brown was a suspect."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-...er-who-fatally-shot-michael-brown-identified/

 

[aa9511]

IMO, someone definately provoked someone else, starting an altercation which ended up in the tragedy that happened. Why would MB start out provoking Officer Wilson?
1. Police officer - black males are taught to be careful around police officers, MB's father himself said on Anderson Cooper that he had many conversations with MB about how to deal with police officers, b/c of MB's size and stature (PO's would think he is older than he actually was).
2. He had stolen merchandise - why would he want to provoke OW and risk being caught with the stolen merchandise?

IDK, it just doesn't add up to me.
JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia?

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Doesn't it make more sense that after Wilson started off (after he told them to get off the street), he heard the BOLO or whatever it was, heard the description of the boys, realized that they were the same boys, and then backed back up to them?

In that case, the second time Wilson would have encountered them, he would have already had in his mind that this guys are "thugs" and had a much stronger attitude the second time around.

I just think the true story is somewhere in between what Wilson says (through the caller) and what DJ says.

JMO.

Actually, what you just said is the same thing that Wilson is 'rumored' to say. And I am sure he did have a much stronger attitude the 2nd time. But I simply dont believe Dorians version, that he backed up, and instantly grabbed this 6.ft4 inch hulk by the neck with his left hand, and tried to pull him into the car window? Does that make any sense at all?

I think it is much more likely that he did back up, and ask about the cigarillos, and Big Mike went up and shoved him back in the car and punched him in the face. That is way more believable, imo. Especially after seeing the video from 10 minutes earlier. He was a very intimidating, aggressive guy.

And he had a lot to lose. Especially if he did have a juvenile record. Which we are waiting to confirm.

 

[aa9511]

One would think so. But MB was NOT avoiding confrontations. He was walking ILLEGALLY down the middle of a 2 lane road, and when asked to move, he said NO. Doesnt sound like he was avoiding confrontations at all.

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia? Even if he said No, does that warrant him being shot?

In that case, Justin Beiber should have been taken out years ago - look how many times he has gotten away with being disrespectful to police officers, and people in general.

JMO.

 

[TexanMom]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia? Even if he said No, does that warrant him being shot?

In that case, Justin Beiber should have been taken out years ago - look how many times he has gotten away with being disrespectful to police officers, and people in general.

JMO.

But Justin Beiber didn't assault a police officer.

 

[gramcracker]

if DW was seated in his SUV and MB was standing outside, given his height of 6'4", what portion of MB's body would be within DW's reach through the open window? certainly not MB's neck

if MB leaned down and forward to have a go at DW while he was seated in his SUV, that would put MB's neck within DW's reach

if DW tried to exit through the open door of his SUV and was shoved back inside by MB who then "tussled" with DW using his hands/fists, again, MB's neck would be within DW's reach

a little truth in every lie, IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO, someone definately provoked someone else, starting an altercation which ended up in the tragedy that happened. Why would MB start out provoking Officer Wilson?
1. Police officer - black males are taught to be careful around police officers, MB's father himself said on Anderson Cooper that he had many conversations with MB about how to deal with police officers, b/c of MB's size and stature (PO's would think he is older than he actually was).
2. He had stolen merchandise - why would he want to provoke OW and risk being caught with the stolen merchandise?

IDK, it just doesn't add up to me.
JMO.

IMO most criminals aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Prisons are overflowing with em.


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[Apollo]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia? Even if he said No, does that warrant him being shot?

In that case, Justin Beiber should have been taken out years ago - look how many times he has gotten away with being disrespectful to police officers, and people in general.

JMO.

He didn't get shot because he was walking in the middle of the street.