GUILTY MO - Hailey Owens, 10, Springfield, 18 Feb 2014 #1

[JeannaT]

I read those stats too but I really question how accurate they are since so many children/minors go missing and their cases are never solved. Until all those cases are solved we really don't know who the perpetrator really was.

I think it happens more than we would like to believe it does.

IMO

I think you're probably right, that it does happen more than we think, due to unsolved cases. I think, though, that even if we had tracking devices on children, LE can't move fast enough in many cases to rescue a living child.

 

[Tulessa]

I'm confused, KY3 just said they called LE to confirm the amber alert had been cancelled to be told their source was a valuable source but their info is incorrect and the amber alert has NOT been cancelled.

If they had found the body why isn't it cancelled? Could they have found 'A' body but they have not been able to formally determine its hailey?

http://fox2now.com/2014/02/19/kmbc-hailey-owens-found-dead/

 

[4SAM]

Eye for an eye

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm just smh at your post. How can you say "it's not LE's fault"?
MHP IS LE! Plus,, Springfield PD has full authority on their own to issue an Amber Alert. They do not have to wait or hand over details to another LE agency for that agency to issue the A/A.

SPD should have had that A/A issued within the first 15 minutes! Not 2+ hours later by MHP!

On the other note, I see everyone praising the witnesses. Quite frankly, I think the praising of them is excessive, to say the least. If I saw a 45-ish yr old man driving down the street 4-5 times, then pull near a 10 yr old girl, and hear him trying to coax her into his vehicle, you can rest assured I won't just be sitting there in the garage "witnessing" it and jot down his plate number afterward. I'd be up outta that chair and in full run towards him to see what business he had with that little girl.

Do you all think it's ok not to even "get involved" at a higher level, when it comes to safeguarding children on the streets? Just sit there and watch an abduction without moving an inch prior?

I think the poster meant it is not the local LEs fault and I agree.

I really don't think it would have made any difference and it takes time to get the AA out and by that time I think Hailey had already been raped and murdered. And he did not take her on the highways where billboards would be put up. I think he took her to his home and killed her there, imo.

Strangers tend to kidnap, rape, and discard the victims very quickly.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm confused, KY3 just said they called LE to confirm the amber alert had been cancelled to be told their source was a valuable source but their info is incorrect and the amber alert has NOT been cancelled.

If they had found the body why isn't it cancelled? Could they have found 'A' body but they have not been able to formally determine its hailey?

ksdk could have jumped the gun when they saw the "suspicion of murder" arrest? I agree it is confusing.

 

[~n/t~]

From everything I can find no and he has never been arrested or convicted of a sex crime before. The school in my opinion, is not at fault.

Thanks. I thought he was a registered sex offender so that's why I couldn't understand why he was hired by the school.

 

[Tulessa]

R.I.P. Little one I get absolutely furious over these horrible stories! Hubby and I, wanted to have four children, we were only blessed with one. Even though I know the parents are devastated, Many children are murdered by their parents, ( which IS NOT THE CASE HERE!), but it still breaks my heart.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm confused, KY3 just said they called LE to confirm the amber alert had been cancelled to be told their source was a valuable source but their info is incorrect and the amber alert has NOT been cancelled.

If they had found the body why isn't it cancelled? Could they have found 'A' body but they have not been able to formally determine its hailey?

The family are confirming they have found the body, LE may be doing this at 11am but KY3 just said as of now the amber alert is still active.

http://www.missingkids.com/AMBER

 

[atm9533]

Thanks. I thought he was a registered sex offender so that's why I couldn't understand why he was hired by the school.

another poster stated he had a minor possession charge in the late 90's. He has been employed at the school for a long time.

 

[JeannaT]

As I understand it, canceling an amber alert is an involved process that requires notifying several resources. The fact that the cancellation hasn't been completed doesn't mean anyone believes the girl is still an active missing case, as I understand it.

 

[carbuff]

Does his picture/description ring a bell? I remember back when I was still daily checking on the Iowa cousins that there were other kidnapping attempts in the area with a man with a mustache and long grey hair. It's been awhile but my memory is usually pretty good about stuff like that. MO is right below IA. Ring a bell to anyone? I can't search now but I will later. Hmmm...

Yeah, I'm thinking that, too. He looks really familiar.

 

[nursebeeme]

As I understand it, canceling an amber alert is an involved process that requires notifying several resources. The fact that the cancellation hasn't been completed doesn't mean anyone believes the girl is still an active missing case, as I understand it.

http://www.missingkids.com/AMBER

ncmec has no active amber alerts so it looks like it was cancelled...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

another poster stated he had a minor possession charge in the late 90's. He has been employed at the school for a long time.

From what I have read it happened in 1990, 24 years ago.

IMO

 

[~n/t~]

I'm just smh at your post. How can you say "it's not LE's fault"?
MHP IS LE! Plus,, Springfield PD has full authority on their own to issue an Amber Alert. They do not have to wait or hand over details to another LE agency for that agency to issue the A/A.

SPD should have had that A/A issued within the first 15 minutes! Not 2+ hours later by MHP!

On the other note, I see everyone praising the witnesses. Quite frankly, I think the praising of them is excessive, to say the least. If I saw a 45-ish yr old man driving down the street 4-5 times, then pull near a 10 yr old girl, and hear him trying to coax her into his vehicle, you can rest assured I won't just be sitting there in the garage "witnessing" it and jot down his plate number afterward. I'd be up outta that chair and in full run towards him to see what business he had with that little girl.

Do you all think it's ok not to even "get involved" at a higher level, when it comes to safeguarding children on the streets? Just sit there and watch an abduction without moving an inch prior?

It probably took seconds for him to grab her.

 

[Sleuthster]

Yeah, I'm thinking that, too. He looks really familiar.

Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman disappeared in Welch,OK which is about 2 hours from Springfield straight down the inter state. I'm wondering if he has connections in OK.

 

[mountainguy777]

Ugh....as horrid as it seems, maybe a body part was found that leads them to believe murder, but no full body? Its just sad yet infuriating.

 

[MissouriGirl]

Thanks. I thought he was a registered sex offender so that's why I couldn't understand why he was hired by the school.

The only prior charge he's had (in Missouri anyway) was in August of 1990 for possession of a controlled substance, which he was fined $100 for.

It says his address at that time was: 2283 MIRABEAU, SPRINGFIELD, MO 65804. (I'm not sure if that even matters, but I'm putting it out there just in case)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

R.I.P. Little one I get absolutely furious over these horrible stories! Hubby and I, wanted to have four children, we were only blessed with one. Even though I know the parents are devastated, Many children are murdered by their parents, ( which IS NOT THE CASE HERE!), but it still breaks my heart.

BBM

The big difference though is when a child is abducted and is later found murdered... 44% of the time it is by a stranger.

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

I agree - this is one of the few times that an amber alert was issued for the reason it was created - to find a missing child snatched by an unknown stranger and in terrible danger.

On the other hand, honestly, it seems to me that if an alert had been activated virtually immediately after her kidnapping, this wouldn't have ended any differently. He was in the neighborhood, and my guess is she perished very soon after being abducted.

I just don't think LE can move quickly enough to save a child in a situation like this.

Not disagreeing with you Jeanna just using your post as a jumping off point.
I do wonder though if the AA had gone out right away if people who get the alert on their phones would have been able to help. For all that we know someone who was close to the crime scene or his location could have gotten the alert and called 911 right away. Just thinking out loud.

 

[justanother]

AMBER Alert ‏@AMBERAlert 2h
The Springfield, MO AMBER Alert has been cancelled. http://www.missingkids.com/AMBER