GUILTY MO - Hailey Owens, 10, Springfield, 18 Feb 2014 #2

[Bravo]

I can't think of an child abduction case, where there was sexual assault (I'm assuming this in this case) and where the child victim was shot. Many times the perp uses a more direct physical way to kill his victim (strangulation, stabbed, etc).

I hope he had no other victims. I hope he didn't have a dungeon or torture chamber in his basement since he lived alone. JMO

The shooting is most unusual IMO. Perhaps the gun originally was part of the lure. IMO he had to know he had been "had" when he was chased. Perhaps the gun was used for a quick end? He had to know he was running out of time. Had LE not arrived when they did he likely would have moved Hailey.

 

[SStarr33]

Do they give teachers random drug tests?

 

[davehead21]

It's not even his hair and beard that creep me out. One of my high school teachers/bus driver had longish hair and a beard & mustache. But nothing about him was ever creepy, I've visited him many times since high school.

This guy creeps me out. Something in his eyes.

I absolutely cannot disagree with you....it's like there is no life in his eyes.

 

[gia2]

dude looks plain creepy. I'd want to see a bg report if he was teaching my kid.

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What you're implying is that you wouldn't want a background report on any non-creepy looking men who were to teach your child?! That makes no sense. There are many, many smart men in suits who are perverts and kill/abuse kids, not just the scruffy ones!

 

[SmoothOperator]

He was 45 years old, never been married, never had kids, seemed to be somewhat of a loner. We have not yet heard that he really creeped anyone out, except I believe one kid and his mother, IMO we will get some of that. Did not interact with neighbors. they just saw him driving to and from work in his truck. Have not heard from any former girlfriends, wonder how long it's been since he has dated?
IMO his computer is going to tell a story. Might not be necessarily kiddie , but I bet there will be a lot of . Took a child because a full grown woman would be more difficult.
He truly is a sick monster with a lot of hidden problems.

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Yep, Jo, ITA that this individual's computer will be the key to unlocking EVERYTHING about who he is.. Especially given the fact that it certainly appears as tho he was a bit of a loner who did not interact with many people.. His job being focused in the area of children is something that makes me lean more toward actually being a focused interest on children as his victims.. Tho, you may be correct in his choice of victim, merely being due to less difficultly with child vs adult..

But the computer, IMO, will be key in answering those type questions..

 

[trigger]

IMO "If" this is a sexually based crime which I believe it is it's not his first time. Maybe his first kill but not his first Victim. IMO.

ITA.. Maybe we will hear from his ex-gf's. I also wonder if he hung out at a local bar. I'm surprise we haven't from people who know him.

 

[m1279]

Interview with Hailey's mom:

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/exclu...alks-to-hailey-owens-mother/21048998_24583508

That was positively heartbreaking to watch. So many "what if's."

Ugh. Words escape me once again.

 

[gia2]

This is a great post! You are so right, there are monsters all around us! I sort of agree with the Nancy Grace caller last night that said, that these monsters should have a huge M tattooed on their head, so at least people could warn their children about them!!

I actually disagree with thinking of these people as monsters. It indicates they are not human in some way, that they are removed from us. But murder, violence and abuse is a very human trait. Very few animals kill or even hurt others for pleasure. We have this as a result of our genetic make up and our upbringing and life experiences also play a large part. To do these things, sadly IS human. Just the most vile and depraved part.
I think that we need to remember to look at them as real people and understand how it ever came to be that such a person went undetected until too late.

I think labeling these people as monsters makes people feel safer, it makes them feel that their friends, their family could never do such things. But they DO, and we need to be aware of it.


I think there should be some way, some service where people who have perverted thoughts should be able to go in confidence and chat about them. They should receive councelling and an assessment to help them understand what is wrong and how they can avoid hurting people. I don't know, something has to change to protect our society.

Sorry for the ramble!

 

[thepinkdragon]

A large percentage of them are created via the assistance of psychotropic medication, IMHO. Touchy subject with so many people taking them (most everyone i know takes an antidepressant) but it's an area in desperate need of attention. Julie Schenecker, Andrea Yates, Josh Powell, David Westerfield and countless other monsters were all on them. Austin Sigg, etc. Of course, there is just pure evil in this world but there's also evil that's created via drugs. Legal and otherwise. I suspect this guy was medicated to help control xyz disorder and it got to a point of no return. Purely my opinion and hardly ever a popular one.

I'm sorry but I have to ask this; have you ever been on any medication for any psychological or mood disorder? You seem very adamant about your opinion and I wonder where your anger over this comes from. Yes there are instances of medications being abused and conditions over diagnosed, but I think you fail to see the bigger picture. If someone who commits a crime is on medication for depression or another mental health disease or disorder then either the medication was the wrong type (misdiagnosis), not strong enough/too strong or they hadn't gotten the therapy to gain coping skills; as medication is only a tool for treatment. You are entitled to your opinion but in past posts you have stated your theory of SSRI mania as a common factor of most criminals as if you were an expert on the matter. As a sufferer of PTSD,ADHD, Anxiety and Clinical Depression I can assure you, there are people out there who without their medication and therapy would be the ones to fear, not the ones who sought help. When I was younger I did not stick to medication and therapy because once my current problem was under control I thought I could manage without it. As I got older and had a child, I realized if I didn't seek medication and treatment I would likely do something out of anger that I would regret for the rest of my life. Some of us toe the line so to speak. I know I have the propensity toward violence yet my humility and compassion overrule that reaction to stressors. Anyhow, I agree. In some cases a crime could be drug induced by prescription medication but come on, not everyone being treated with SSRI's goes off and kills people. Blanket statements like that offend people like me who are on them.

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[ButForFortune]

The mother's interview - so heartbreaking! Could not watch the entire interview. I still could not keep track of how many times she said "just this one time" and how she "let her guard down" when referring to her daughter walking alone. This mother is carrying of tremendous amount of guilt.

 

[darkstar105]

What creeps me out is that his picture doesn't creep me out...half the people look like that here in Colorado.

I'm with Margarita25. What creeps me out is how mellow looking he seems to me. And also hearing that he's a pothead and in a bluegrass band. Especially the bluegrass band just does not fit with the type of person I would have thought would do something like this.

 

[floridamomma]

What you're implying is that you wouldn't want a background report on any non-creepy looking men who were to teach your child?! That makes no sense. There are many, many smart men in suits who are perverts and kill/abuse kids, not just the scruffy ones!

no implication meant. he appears creepy. the person I requested a physical report on, as I mentioned previously, was a darling granny looking lady. I didn't trust her. gut instinct.

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[blue22]

ITA.. Maybe we will hear from his ex-gf's. I also wonder if he hung out at a local bar. I'm surprise we haven't from people who know him.

I'd be kind of surprised if he had any, at all.

 

[gregjrichards]

does anyone know what the hearing scheduled tomorrow is for?

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/246078651.html

 

[nascargal]

Hailey's mom has my heart. What a wonderful lady she is, trying to stay strong for the family, and talking with nothing but love and pride in her daughter. I am crying here. I am so sad about this...an innocent, sweet child doing what children do, going to see friends, and playing with a cell phone, and an evil monster decides to take her life....I can't begin to express my rage and wanting him to suffer so badly...and yet, you have her mom, so calm and trying to hold it together, being an example to all of us.....RIP sweet Hailey...I hope you found Grandma, and you are in her loving arms.

 

[jggordo]

Tomorrow is his Preliminary Hearing. Formal reading of his charges, unless he waives that. In so much that the Judge is gonna read all that out loud for everybody to hear and go OMG, he might choose that. Ask him, you got a lawyer? But they may just let tomorrow be his "first appearance". I wonder if his parents are gonna help him with a lawyer?

 

[SStarr33]

some photos I found off of google images. The house photo with the tarp I found at:

http://www.wpxi.com/ap/ap/crime/neighbors-unable-to-stop-missouri-girls-abduction/ndT67/

Who did that? LE?

Yes, it was reported by the news yesterday that LE put up the green tarps.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

@ thepinkdragon - I can relate to your point above. Years ago after a nonstop series of life events no one was more surprised than I when I was diagnosed with major clinical depression. The only way to describe it would be to say it was as though a complete stranger had moved into my head in the space of a month. It was as though I'd been given strange drugs which were keeping me awake all night, making me repulsed by food, etc. (In fact, it was startlingly like what I read today about the side effects of meth, to be honest--hypervigilance, hyperactivity, poor memory and judgment.) It was a totally weird experience lasting about 2 years, and I hope to never go through anything approaching that again.

At the time I was diagnosed, I strongly resisted taking prescription medication, trying to go the 'natural' route with well-known herbal remedies. The therapist I'd reluctantly started seeing tried to convince me for 3 months to try medication, because clinical depression is caused by stress-induced brain chemistry changes, a neurotransmitter imbalance that could only be rebalanced with the appropriate SSRI combination. I can remember bringing in to her office dramatic newspaper articles of people who'd wigged out on Prozac, telling her I was afraid I might wake up and kill my kids if I tried a prescription drug. Truthfully, though, my reasoning was getting so compromised I was in no place to think clearly on the subject, so after a couple months of fearful resistance, I finally agreed to a trial period for one of the SSRIs (not Prozac ). It took a couple tries with different SSRIs, but once I found the right one, the change was dramatic, and I was on the way back up out of that black hole.

The brain and its function is an amazing, perplexing thing. Yes, there are some prescription drug side effects that can end up being harmful to some people out there, but there are also many prescription drugs that are lifesavers to broad classes of people who need them. I've learned through my experience not to make blanket generalizations about prescription drugs and their possible side-effects for people; each situation for each person should be weighed on its own merit. While not depressed today, I have friends with bipolar relatives whose brain-chemistry prescriptions are just as biologically vital to them as my thyroid prescriptions are to me. Just thankful for the science that's gone from 'tranquilizing' all mental illnesses a generation or two ago to 're-balancing' brain chemistry problems today.

 

[CHERIE.T]

BBM.

How does any parent of a child murdered in such a manner "deal" with it?
I think mostly they just try to survive as best as they can.

My post was not made with any ill intent towards this poor child's family!

 

[Paige SC]

I'm sorry but I have to ask this; have you ever been on any medication for any psychological or mood disorder? You seem very adamant about your opinion and I wonder where your anger over this comes from. Yes there are instances of medications being abused and conditions over diagnosed, but I think you fail to see the bigger picture. If someone who commits a crime is on medication for depression or another mental health disease or disorder then either the medication was the wrong type (misdiagnosis), not strong enough/too strong or they hadn't gotten the therapy to gain coping skills; as medication is only a tool for treatment. You are entitled to your opinion but in past posts you have stated your theory of SSRI mania as a common factor of most criminals as if you were an expert on the matter. As a sufferer of PTSD,ADHD, Anxiety and Clinical Depression I can assure you, there are people out there who without their medication and therapy would be the ones to fear, not the ones who sought help. When I was younger I did not stick to medication and therapy because once my current problem was under control I thought I could manage without it. As I got older and had a child, I realized if I didn't seek medication and treatment I would likely do something out of anger that I would regret for the rest of my life. Some of us toe the line so to speak. I know I have the propensity toward violence yet my humility and compassion overrule that reaction to stressors. Anyhow, I agree. In some cases a crime could be drug induced by prescription medication but come on, not everyone being treated with SSRI's goes off and kills people. Blanket statements like that offend people like me who are on them.

My personal opinion


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Yes I have been labeled with an acronym and medicated accordingly. I have experienced mania induced via antidepressants. I'm angry that its common place for people to deal with problems by medicating and society's blind eye to the far reaching implications. My opinion isn't a popular one and it surely isn't PC but I am firm in my belief based on personal experience and two years worth of research so extensive i quit my job to complete it. Don't mean to offend anyone but not having a popular belief shouldn't exclude me from expressing it.