Found Deceased MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found* #2

[Brown bear]

Howdy, Brown Bear. Hope all is improving for the healing health of the family of Dr Forsyth as you await the tox reports and police release their investigation.

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Many of us have already watched all of the ONFO youtube videos bc that's what we do so they can be analyzed if need be. Dr John, like some other mathematical geniuses, he was ahead of his time.

I didn't realize that Richard had not seen any cctv or any video of his brother the day he went missing until I listened to the last podcast. Guess I always assumed Richard saw it and was shown it by LEO, because he so aptly describes Dr John's actions that day.

Thanks DeDee. I appreciate your perspective and well wishes. I didn’t follow Johnny’s Onfo business before he disappeared, and I was too distressed in the aftermath to pay much attention to the Onfo videos, but watching this aforementioned video today, I just appreciated hearing his voice.

I’ll add that I, too, thought Richard had seen the security footage. But I never asked.

 

[Betty P]

Thinking of you and your family, Brown Bear, wishing you peace.

 

[Lovequestions]

On channel 14 KY3 Sept.14 Ozark unsolved about Dr.John Forsyth case ,his brother and sister and an LE is being interviewed by Elizabeth VanMetre
Then Friday morning KY3 Digital Desk at 10:30 Elizabeth sits down with Richard Forsyth and answers viewers questions.

 

[Deleted member 718]

On channel 14 KY3 Sept.14 Ozark unsolved about Dr.John Forsyth case ,his brother and sister and an LE is being interviewed by Elizabeth VanMetre
Then Friday morning KY3 Digital Desk at 10:30 Elizabeth sits down with Richard Forsyth and answers viewers questions.

Elizabeth VanMetre
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We talk to Dr. John Forsyth's brother and get updates on the investigation. We are also answering viewer questions. Nothing off limits.

Meet me Friday at the KY3 Digital... - Elizabeth VanMetre

Meet me Friday at the KY3 Digital Desk. We talk to Dr. John Forsyth's brother and get updates on the investigation. We are also answering viewer...

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OZARKS UNSOLVED: KY3's Elizabeth VanMetre shares an update on the investigation into the death of Dr. John Forsyth. Also family discusses the case for the first time.


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[TwinkieDefense]

Sept 14, 2023 article - still sounds strange to me -

OZARKS UNSOLVED: The mysterious death of Dr. John Forsyth

Details of the case have baffled investigators, and with more questions answered, more questions are brought to the surface.

www.ky3.com

[…]

That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

[…]

 

[neesaki]

Sept 14, 2023 article - still sounds strange to me -

OZARKS UNSOLVED: The mysterious death of Dr. John Forsyth

Details of the case have baffled investigators, and with more questions answered, more questions are brought to the surface.

www.ky3.com

[…]

That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

[…]

It sure does! Family didn’t get to identify the body?! And the investigation being conducted by a small town sheriffs department? Red flags, IMO

“We asked them very pointedly how the body was identified. And the lead detective said that he did. And we asked how, and he said by facial recognition,” Richard recalled.

With a closed-casket funeral, the family was left with lingering questions. Gina pondered, “What a closed casket means, you really have to keep a tight rein on your imagination.”

“That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

“I can all add up if you take it at face value, but also, that’s a great way to cover things up. To remove a piece off the table without actually killing them.”

 

[Betty P]

It sure does! Family didn’t get to identify the body?! And the investigation being conducted by a small town sheriffs department? Red flags, IMO

“We asked them very pointedly how the body was identified. And the lead detective said that he did. And we asked how, and he said by facial recognition,” Richard recalled.

With a closed-casket funeral, the family was left with lingering questions. Gina pondered, “What a closed casket means, you really have to keep a tight rein on your imagination.”

“That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

“I can all add up if you take it at face value, but also, that’s a great way to cover things up. To remove a piece off the table without actually killing them.”

It's Arkansas. JMO, whomever killed John (if that's what happened) knew to dispose of his body across the state line.

If they continue to have questions, the family should consider checking for themselves.

They should also ask to see the video/photos of the city acquatic park and his car.

As always, prayers for the family in dealing with their loss and the mystery surrounding it. I hope they get answers.

 

[Howl]

This could be resolved by doing a DNA test on tissue taken during the autopsy compared the DNA of a sibling or one of his kids.

Was Dr. Forsythe clothed when found in the lake or were there any identifying items?

 

[Teche]

Sept 14, 2023 article - still sounds strange to me -

OZARKS UNSOLVED: The mysterious death of Dr. John Forsyth

Details of the case have baffled investigators, and with more questions answered, more questions are brought to the surface.

www.ky3.com

[…]

That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

[…]

How often do family members/significant others need to identify a body when dental records are available? The body was discovered days later.

 

[Cedars]

How often do family members/significant others need to identify a body when dental records are available? The body was discovered days later.

IMO, it's very rare for police to ask family to identify a body anymore. It's traumatic, especially if a body has been decomposing in water for several days. I had assumed they'd used dental records.

Someone in the family must have talked to the funeral home about why they couldn't have an open casket. Or they should talk to the funeral home about it now, not go to the media. How is the media going to answer their questions?

I think I understand now why police are stalling, it seems some family members don't believe he's dead, everything is a conspiracy. If that's the case, they'll refuse to believe the final ruling, too.

JMO

 

[Teche]

IMO, it's very rare for police to ask family to identify a body anymore. It's traumatic, especially if a body has been decomposing in water for several days. I had assumed they'd used dental records.

Someone in the family must have talked to the funeral home about why they couldn't have an open casket. Or they should talk to the funeral home about it now, not go to the media. How is the media going to answer their questions?

I think I understand now why police are stalling, it seems some family members don't believe he's dead, everything is a conspiracy. If that's the case, they'll refuse to believe the final ruling, too.

JMO

I agree. Funeral Homes are quite accommodating to the families. In cases of trauma or decay, the coroner or funeral director usually advises
against viewing the body.

 

[Cedars]

I agree. Funeral Homes are quite accommodating to the families. In cases of trauma or decay, the coroner or funeral director usually advises
against viewing the body

Or at least, having an open casket. I expect, if a close family member really wanted to see, to confirm identity, the funeral home would do it, though it might involve a lot of makeup and screening off the most alarming parts. But that would probably be for a parent or spouse, not cousins/siblings. And it seems this family was very traumatized by his disappearance, completely unprepared.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

I think I understand now why police are stalling, it seems some family members don't believe he's dead, everything is a conspiracy. If that's the case, they'll refuse to believe the final ruling, too.

JMO

Revising my own opinion, perhaps there is another reason to sow doubt about the police investigation...?

 

[Betty P]

Revising my own opinion, perhaps there is another reason to sow doubt about the police investigation...?

From what I recall in news media reports, the delay is due to Arkansas having a chronic backlog of toxicology test results for all autopsies. The state system for doing toxicology lab work is likely underfunded or overwhelmed with requests.

Missing Cassville doctor’s death to be investigated as a homicide, according to brother

Dr. John Forsyth’s family has informed OzarksFirst that his body has been found in northwest Arkansas.

www.ozarksfirst.com

On June 2, the coroner in Arkansas where Dr. John Forsyth’s body was found three days prior, told OzarksFirst reporters he expects autopsy results to take about 90 days.

Benton County Coroner Daniel Oxford said the Arkansas State Crime Lab is facing a backlog. The lab estimates results will take about 60 days, but Oxford said he’s still waiting on autopsy results sent to the lab in January and February. Other aspects of the investigation will continue while the coroner awaits autopsy results.

 

[megs1477]

If there were still questions, one of the family members could ask to view the autopsy photos.

 

[Deleted member 718]

KY3's interview with Richard Forsyth. The volume seems low so it's hard to hear:

WATCH INTERVIEW: Brother of Dr. John Forsyth shares new details regarding investigation

KY3′s Elizabeth VanMetre discussed the case with Dr. Forsyth’s brother, Richard, in a live interview on the KY3.com streaming platform on Friday.

www.ky3.com

 

[Puzzles8]

Sept 14, 2023 article - still sounds strange to me -

OZARKS UNSOLVED: The mysterious death of Dr. John Forsyth

Details of the case have baffled investigators, and with more questions answered, more questions are brought to the surface.

www.ky3.com

[…]

That was my first thought. Did I carry a casket of rocks or weight?” Nile says. He explains that during the funeral, there were talks between family about who identified the body. That’s when they realized no one had.

[…]

Great article, thanks for sharing. IMO, there is some interesting clarified and new information.

[...]
Surveillance cameras at the hospital captured him leaving the ER after his 12-hour shift and walking towards his RV, intending to return for his next shift at 7 p.m. But 7 p.m. came and went, and Forsyth did not show up for work.
[...]

Why didn't the surveillance cameras at the hospital also capture him leaving his RV and getting into the Black Infinity?

[...]
By Monday morning, Cassville police were on the case. As they sifted through their notes, they discovered something peculiar. On that same Sunday morning, a mile away from the hospital at the Cassville Aquatic Center, there had been an unrelated search for a missing child.
Detectives had noted all the cars in the parking lot, and one vehicle caught their attention: a black Infiniti. It turned out to be Dr. Forsyth’s car.
Returning to the park on Monday morning, the police found the car still parked there. Inside, they discovered Forsyth’s keys, passport, wallet, a cracked cell phone, and his laptop.
[...]

News of the nearby search for a missing child was news to me. Odd coincidence.

[...]
Further scrutiny of the surveillance video from the park revealed a black car entering the parking lot at 7:12 a.m., followed by a white SUV. However, the quality of the video was so poor that police couldn’t definitively determine if it was Forsyth’s car or whether the people in the cars had interacted.
No footage showed Forsyth walking around the area, and the white SUV eventually departed despite rumors that it did.
“The quality of the video was so low. When we saw what we believed to be the doctor’s car pulling into the parking lot. He described it as a black blur. The fact the black blur never comes back out of there, and the car is discovered is what leads us to believe that was the doctor’s car that pulled in,” Privett says
[...]

Very poor quality video of JF pulling his car into the aquatic parking lot and what might have happened afterwards. The black car in the grainy video was later determined to be JF's Infiniti, exactly where police found it on Monday

[...]
His seven children lived with his ex-wife out of state, and the divorce had been finalized just ten days before his disappearance. The judge had divided Forsyth and his ex-wife’s significant bitcoin holdings, valued at over $800,000, and ordered him to pay substantial child support and alimony, totaling $19,000 monthly.
Adding to the complexity of Forsyth’s life, three days before he disappeared, he had proposed to his nurse girlfriend, who was pregnant with his ninth child.
Nile suggested, “It sounds like he was waiting for the divorce to tell anybody anything.”
His 8th child is up for debate. Forsyth told his brother there was the possibility that he had another child. The family says the relationship between them and the mother of that child has been rocky. They’ve asked for a DNA test.
[...]

Paternity of his eighth child is not known or has yet to be disclosed. JF's relationship with the child's mother was rocky, a DNA test has been requested.

[...]
But that changed on May 30, nine days after Forsyth’s disappearance.
While navigating Beaver Lake in Arkansas, located approximately an hour south of Cassville, two kayakers made a startling discovery in the water. Witnesses tell KY3 that they saw what they thought was a dead animal and paddled close to investigate. Realizing it was a body, they immediately called 911
The Benton County, Arkansas Sheriff’s Office took over the case as the lead agency. Detectives confirmed that Forsyth had suffered a gunshot wound to the head, prompting a homicide investigation.
However, as the family prepared to lay Dr. Forsyth to rest, they realized no one had asked them to identify his body positively.
“We asked them very pointedly how the body was identified. And the lead detective said that he did. And we asked how, and he said by facial recognition,” Richard recalled.
[...]

How was the Benton County Lead Detective able to identify JF by facial recognition after he had been in the water for over a week. Funeral was closed casket.

[...]
Now, months after Forsyth’s disappearance, the coroner’s report remains finished but unreleased, pending the ongoing investigation. The Benton County Sheriff’s Office remains tight-lipped, and the family reveals that detectives have executed over 20 search warrants, interviewing family members and friends.
[...]

Coroner's Report is finished but not released.

[...]
Many questions remain unanswered. Was it murder, suicide, or something far more intricate? Suspicion lingers around Forsyth’s brother, while other questions about the white SUV, Forsyth’s abandoned belongings, and his previous abduction continue to baffle investigators and the community.
[...]

Read what you want into that.

IMO, very informative article.

JMO

Relinking article

OZARKS UNSOLVED: The mysterious death of Dr. John Forsyth

Details of the case have baffled investigators, and with more questions answered, more questions are brought to the surface.

www.ky3.com

 

[Snoopster]

This could be resolved by doing a DNA test on tissue taken during the autopsy compared the DNA of a sibling or one of his kids.

Was Dr. Forsythe clothed when found in the lake or were there any identifying items?

Following on your point, I don't believe we know the state of his body when it was found, do we?
If the Sheriff said identification was facial recognition, then that implies (to my uneducated mind) that he wasn't in the lake very long. LE didn't say identification was done through dental records.

 

[Cedars]

Following on your point, I don't believe we know the state of his body when it was found, do we?
If the Sheriff said identification was facial recognition, then that implies (to my uneducated mind) that he wasn't in the lake very long. LE didn't say identification was done through dental records.

I believe the legal process of identification is the responsibility of the medical examiner/coroner, not police.
So I think police were talking about preliminary identification, sufficient to proceed with the investigation.

Also, decomposition depends on the depth and temperature of the water, but typically decomposition is slower in water.

Body identification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org