Found Deceased MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found*

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  • #781
Seemingly happy people commit suicide all the time. There is no way to predict who will commit suicide. Sometimes families won't even tell people that is how a loved one died, my family for example, we were forbidden to tell anyone, so sometimes people don't even realize they knew someone that committed suicide.

From the beginning of this case I thought suicide. The more information that comes out seems to be more confirmation that it is very likely imo. The kidnapping, crypto stuff just doesn't seem likely, imo.
 
  • #782
I don't understand why he wouldn't have gotten an attorney for the 2nd divorce.
I also don't understand why the brother wasn't targeted as well since he was a co-founder of the crypto company.
Also didn't both brothers have to pay back a lot of people in a short period of time from the brothers failed company?
Don't business partners typically have life insurance for business purposes?
Who is the source of the alleged prior kidnapping? Anyone other than the brother?
MOO
 
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In MO, Whose "Consent" is Required for Issuance of Life Ins Policy ? What Form of Consent?
Perhaps an insurance expert can clarify, but my understanding is that in Missouri, signatures are required for life insurance policies, so anyone who has a policy on Dr. F, would have had to have done so with his consent.
@MSCJgrad Not claiming to be an ins. expert, but seems per this MO. statute* your understanding is correct.
And basically, the consent of the insured who must be "competent and of legal capacity to contract" needs to be IN WRITING (sounds to me, like the insured's siggy on the app, or another life ins co. form, perhaps a consent to a med exam, or other writing signed by the insured).

Of course, subject to some exceptions (like group life ins. contract, but no likely I noticed) detailed below, so for your reading pleasure :) --->
imo

Welcoming correction or clarification, esp'ly from our ins. or legal professionals.
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* "376.531. Life insurance policies, consent of insured required, exceptions — employoers have insurable interest in employees, when, effects. —
"1. No life insurance contract upon an individual, except a contract of group life insurance, shall be made or effectuated unless at the time of the making of the contract the individual insured, being competent and of legal capacity to contract, applies therefor or has consented thereto in writing, except in the following cases:
  "(1) Any person having an insurable interest in the life of a minor, or any person upon whom a minor is dependent for support and maintenance, may effectuate insurance upon the life of, or pertaining to, the minor;
  "(2) Family policies may be issued insuring any two or more members of a family on an application signed by either parent, stepparent, or by a husband or wife.
  "2. An employer, or a trust which is sponsored by an employer for the benefit of its employees, shall have an insurable interest in each of the lives of the employer's employees, directors or retired employees. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 376.691, the employer or trust may insure such employees', directors' or retired employees' lives for such employer's or trust's benefit on an individual or group basis with the consent of the insured. The consent requirement shall be deemed to be satisfied if:
  (1) The employee, director or retired employee is provided with a written notice that the employer or trust intends to obtain life insurance coverage with respect to such person's life; and
  "(2) The employee, director or retired employee fails to provide written notification to the employer or trust, within thirty days from the date that the notice was transmitted, that such person does not consent to the employer obtaining life insurance coverage on such person's life. It shall be unlawful for the employer or trust to retaliate against any person for refusing to consent to the issuance of life insurance on such person's life.
 "3. The employer's or trust's insurable interest in nonmanagement and retired employees shall be limited to an amount of aggregate projected death benefits commensurate with the aggregate projected liabilities to such employees under all employee welfare benefit plans, as defined in 29 U.S.C. 1002(1). Calculations of life insurance benefits and welfare benefit liabilities shall be made in accordance with generally accepted actuarial principles. Matching of life insurance benefits and welfare benefit liabilities may be done on a cash flow, present value or other appropriate basis.
  "4. For purposes of this section, the term "employer" means any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, limited liability company, corporation or any other entity that is legally doing business in this state. The term shall also include all entities or persons which are controlled by or affiliated with any of the foregoing entities. The determination of whether any entity or person is controlled by or affiliated with another shall be made by applying the principles set forth in subsection (b) or (c) of section 414 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as in effect on January 1, 1993, except that all references therein to eighty percent shall be changed to fifty-one percent.
  "5. This section shall not be interpreted to limit other insurable interests which may exist by statute or at common law. The provisions of this section shall apply to all insurance contracts in force on or after August 28, 1994.
 " 6. Determination of the existence and extent of the insurable interest under any life insurance policy shall be made at the time the contract of insurance becomes effective but need not exist at the time the loss occurs."

^ 376.531
 
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Seemingly happy people commit suicide all the time. There is no way to predict who will commit suicide. Sometimes families won't even tell people that is how a loved one died, my family for example, we were forbidden to tell anyone, so sometimes people don't even realize they knew someone that committed suicide.

From the beginning of this case I thought suicide. The more information that comes out seems to be more confirmation that it is very likely imo. The kidnapping, crypto stuff just doesn't seem likely, imo.

I would say, i am slightly, but very slowly, leaning towards suicide. We don't know much about Dr. F. Family history, prior attempts, any treatment. Suicide is possible.

I can only see that for everyone, including Dr. F, it makes more sense that the situation is viewed as homicide.

Maybe we shall never know. A very smart, technically savvy, man, can plan, can think it through to the last detail. On the other hand, we know of several tracks in his personal life. There are two, in his business. Maybe there are other tracks in his business life that are simply unseen?
 
  • #785
I am still firmly in the ‘not suicide camp’. And the longer that LE takes and doesn’t confirm suicide, the more certain I am that it wasn’t.
 
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We shall see
 
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Has a named LE come out in the last few days and said they don’t suspect foul play? It’s my understanding they’ve only said no foul play at the beginning of the investigation and not recently. So that yes, they did say they didn’t suspect foul play but that was before actually finding his body.
 
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Fair enough, but what then would be left to 'investigate?'

I'm still waiting for some sort of definitive statement regarding COD from LE. The comment about they "still don't think" it's foul play leaves a few doors open, IMO.
 
  • #793
I don't understand why he wouldn't have gotten an attorney for the 2nd divorce.
I also don't understand why the brother wasn't targeted as well since he was a co-founder of the crypto company.
Also didn't both brothers have to pay back a lot of people in a short period of time from the brothers failed company?
Don't business partners typically have life insurance for business purposes?
Who is the source of the alleged prior kidnapping? Anyone other than the brother?
MOO

Good hard questions. All potential red flags.

I really do think "no attorney" for the second divorce is a real red flag. As was discussed earlier, the settlement was not actually alimony. He has two children with other women, which i suspect (MOO) had something to do with the second divorce from Wife 1. From his facebook page you can clearly see the "unknown to family" fiance, has been "friends" with him back into 2021.

He has 7 kids from Wife 1, for Pete's sake. Why wouldn't she insist upon a significant settlement of money up front in that second divorce??? My guess is because there was nothing liquid, to draw from.

I think it is in part, cultural, but the need to make this person look like such an upstanding person has been a red flag for me, since the getgo.

His brother, the full partner in the crypto business for years, knew nothing about a kidnapping?? nothing about a fiance and a 9th child on the way?? I wonder if he even knew about child 8?? Are there child support payments for that child? Wouldn't that have had to be disclosed in the divorce agreement?

As much as patients and extended family seemed to love this man, to me, he appears to be very very very reckless. And because of that, suicide and homicide both make sense.
 
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  • #794
More children than Nick Cannon, sheesh
 
  • #795
I'm still waiting for some sort of definitive statement regarding COD from LE. The comment about they "still don't think" it's foul play leaves a few doors open, IMO.

[ they "still don't think" ] -- now there's a thought....
 
  • #796
I watched the video, but didn’t catch if they definitely have ruled the *manner* of death. I understood it is being investigated as a homicide, but suicide hasn’t been ruled out, if I heard it correctly.

I’ll have to listen to it again. There were many details.
The reporter "cut and dry" quote from the coroner wasn't in the video. I wish it had been. This was in the reporter's reply to a question in the FB comments associated with the video. Scroll through the comments.
 
  • #797
Has a named LE come out in the last few days and said they don’t suspect foul play? It’s my understanding they’ve only said no foul play at the beginning of the investigation and not recently. So that yes, they did say they didn’t suspect foul play but that was before actually finding his body.
I reached out to Liam Garrity, the KY3 reporter that wrote this, to confirm that LE has recently told him that they STILL don't suspect foul play. I haven't heard this anywhere either, not since Dr. F's body was found.
 
  • #798
Debbie Collier… everyone thought foul play, the cops even investigated as a homicide. Months later, ruled a suicide. This case feels like Debbie’s.
 
  • #799
IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?
 
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IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?
Unfortunately, I've dealt with a lot suicides in my life. One thing I learned is they NEVER make sense.
 
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