MO - Kansas City children found living in crate in cave

[Jewels53]

FOX 4 visits cave where two children were discovered inside wooden crates

http://fox4kc.com/2015/09/13/fox-4-...hildren-were-discovered-inside-wooden-crates/

This has video of the crates.

 

[EllieBee]

FOX 4 visits cave where two children were discovered inside wooden crates

http://fox4kc.com/2015/09/13/fox-4-...hildren-were-discovered-inside-wooden-crates/

This has video of the crates.

Okay. This link explains quite a bit more.

The boys were in there while mom worked. The "cave" housed her place of employment. Sort of like a dirty, more dangerous version of a playpen.

The first reports made it sound as though the children were abandoned in some remote cave, locked in a crate. But then, the factual story might not have gotten this much attention.

JMO

 

[Rayemonde]

FOX 4 visits cave where two children were discovered inside wooden crates

http://fox4kc.com/2015/09/13/fox-4-...hildren-were-discovered-inside-wooden-crates/

This has video of the crates.

Well! that tells a completely different story. The mother worked in a car repair shop in the cave, and had no babysitter so took the boys to work with her. They set up the crate as a sort of playhouse for the kids, and the kids weren't ever shut in it or anything - CCTV footage shows them wandering around the shop with their mom.

 

[Rayemonde]

Screencaps from the video - 2 pics of the crate(s), and one of the mother working with a child following her.

 

[Lamima]

http://wbtw.com/2015/09/14/2-children-found-alone-in-shipping-crate-in-cave-mom-charged/

In the video you guys have above they show a very different environment than what is shown at this link I found. One of the stories is way wrong. Click where it says 'click here for more photos' and it is disgusting.

 

[JeannaT]

Hopefully, reason will prevail here. She's trying, the kids were in fact safe, and although she needs more support and better alternatives, I'm sure CPS in Kansas City sees worse things every single day.

 

[sonjay]

Now I don't know what to think about this. One article says the kids were there while she was at work, so she could keep an eye on them. Another article says she admitted they were living there and that she had left them alone there.

Also, they didn't have any shoes, and the older one was supposed to be going to school

Keeping them there while she's working is better than leaving them in a hot car.

If she's keeping them there while she's working, which would be worse: Locking them in the crate, or them being free to wander around the repair shop with all its dangerous tools and such?

I'm not worried overmuch about the dirt. Kids love dirt. My grandson has a big dirt digging area here that he loves to dig in when he comes to visit. It's not good for them to be kept too clean. They don't develop normal antibodies to normal everyday stuff.

She looks pretty meth-y. That's not a good sign.

 

[CHICANA]

She may have lost her baby, but that doesn't give her a free pass. She may have been a terrible parent even before the baby died. And now she has abused/ neglected and endangered her other two children. We haven't heard yet what her motives were for keeping her children locked in a crate - mental illness? Drugs? Sadism?

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...-found-says-charges-dont-tell-the-whole-story

My husband worked for a company in one of these caves... I think the boyfriend's story sounds plausible. They weren't locked in a crate, he says they were left with other adults and they didn't live there. They played in the crates while their mother was working there about 7 hours a day. Good ? Not really, but a far cry from how it's been presented. I don't know if LE or a family member updated/changed her facebook but when I looked last week, there were a lot more pics of the boys and they appeared to be very well cared for. There were also comments that she was moving here to live with her parents, it would be hard to move to a new state without a good support system. Who do you trust your kids with while you work ?

 

[CHICANA]

Found it interesting that the state actually requested she be released.

09/14/2015 Proposed Order Filed
Proposed Order Releasing Defendant on Her Own Recognizance.
Filed By: ERIKA ELIZABETH LAWLER
Mot for Release on Own Recog
State's Motion to Release Defendant on Her Own Recognizance.
Filed By: ERIKA ELIZABETH LAWLER

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do

 

[human]

As far as children go, we accept a lot because basically they are considered possessions of the parents.

Is this something you would accept for yourself to live in? How about your children or grandchildren?

Me, I do not think it is OK.

She needs all kinds of help,

 

[Rayemonde]

The first article I read said that the kids lived in the crate in a cave whilst the mother lived in a hotel - which is very different from them being there during the day whilst their mum was working. Luckily the CCTV will make it clear what exactly was going on.

Those gross pictures of the cave - maybe the media just found the dirtiest corners to take pictures of? And maybe the boyfriend who was interviewed had cleaned the place up before he invited the press in to see and video the place!

 

[CHICANA]

The first article I read said that the kids lived in the crate in a cave whilst the mother lived in a hotel - which is very different from them being there during the day whilst their mum was working. Luckily the CCTV will make it clear what exactly was going on.

Those gross pictures of the cave - maybe the media just found the dirtiest corners to take pictures of? And maybe the boyfriend who was interviewed had cleaned the place up before he invited the press in to see and video the place!

I'm not even sure the pics and video posted by the media are of the area the boys were actually in. I'm thinking they might have just showed pics of the caves in general

 

[sonjay]

I'm not even sure the pics and video posted by the media are of the area the boys were actually in. I'm thinking they might have just showed pics of the caves in general

That was the impression I got.

 

[zwiebel]

It is a repair shop where the mom works and her boss has come forward to dispute the charges against her:

The owner of the repair shop disputes the charges. Sean Dale says the boys stayed with Mugrauer while she worked there. Dale says the children were well cared for and the crate was a "man cave" made especially for them.

Dale says the two boys weren't living there and weren't left alone.

"The video clearly shows that they arrived that morning clean and fed. At no time were they unsupervised.* I just don't understand their reason for taking them," said Dale, owner of Underground Diesel. "The kids ask to come here all the time. Just, 'Can we go to the caves? Can we go to the cave to see the trucks?'"

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/mothe...doesnt-have-to-stay-in-jail/21048998_35287496