MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[Just K]

Maybe the neighbors thought they saw a man. A woman can easily dress as a man and in the middle of the night no one would know for sure. The important details would be an approximate height and weight as well as general description...was the person short and squaty or tall and lean, could they see the hair or hair color and what was the person complexion?

 

[CatFancier]

Still trying to think up fresh ideas...

Since LE isn't sharing much outside of their opinion of the family at the moment, do we know if any of our "friendly" organizations such as Klaas Kids or LostNMissing have been in contact with the family to assist with their input?

I would think, aside from just plastering flyers everywhere, there should be some effort checking daycares, hospitals, shelters, etc.

 

[marge_rita]

That goes both ways. What would be the point in the mom getting rid of them? LE could easily get the phone records.

That's why I said I THINK and why I have imo as my siggy line.
Maybe the parents were trying to make it LOOK like a kidnapping.


imo

 

[wfgodot]

Ummmm DNA, hair/bodily fluids/ finger prints (on the crib itself) fibers etc. etc. etc.

Chuckled so abruptly upon reading this I about spilled my tea. Well-expressed!

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks. A viable theory may be that the poor child flipped over the railing and hit her head then, cause she is way too tall for the mattress to be that high. I don't mean to be disrespectul at all to little Lisa but if that bed was in the position shown in that picture on the night she disappeared then a terrible accident could have occurred I might also go so far as to say probably occurred.

Perhaps that is part of the deception. She was never put to bed in her room?

I think it is pretty obvious she was never put to bed in THAT bed.

JMO

 

[pferrin]

4:04 am 911 call

 

[shefner]

Even though this article is from 1995, I found it very informative. It's entitled, "Cradle Robbers: A Study of the Infant Abductor."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n9_v64/ai_17634825/?tag=content;col1

 

[grandmaj]

Not to worry about the 911 time. It is just the timeline in these cases is not what it always appears to be.

I'm going out on a limb here and going to say that releasing the information about the 2:30am call was intentional on LE's part to light a fire under someone. Someone who knows they dialed out on that phone in the house at 2:30am.

 

[yllek]

Really? Wow. I thought a few posts back someone says he was born in 1984. That would mean he was only 18 when he bought this house? That is quite an accomplishment.

I agree. It is really something to purchase a home at 18 years old. Seems almost impossible, unless someone in his family owned it before and gifted or sold it to him. Can't see how an 18 year old would have established credit to qualify for mortgage or could have worked long enough to buy a house outright.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

So the call was made from their home phone meaning they do have a landline phone? I don't know, but if that's the case, it could possibly have been an intruder, the kidnapper, using their phone in order to implicate them. This is a crazy case.:crazy:

I think it means we don't know. Until more info is released about this phone call its hard to say.Was it from a land line or a cell phone? Who was the call to?

 

[CHICANA]

Netz is Debbies maiden name, isn't it???

Yes, but it wasn't in her name, I'm thinking it's her brother.

 

[marge_rita]

The pictures are from today. Was just on Nightline and the corespondent specifically made note of the fact that they went into the house right after the police took down the crime scene tape. So the question begs, why was all that stuff in the crib, how long was it like that, who put it there and why didn't the crime scene investigators take any of the bedding? Oh, and why was the mattress still in the higher position?

Maybe they straightened the room up after LE left. The room looks clean to me.
The height of the bed bothers me too. baby Lisa is a tall 30 inches.

imo

 

[norest4thewicked]

4:04 am 911 call

Hey...I was right! But I keep seeing other times too. I hope that this is the official time.

 

[EllaMae]

How do you realize it later? How do you know you did not lock it?

I have never found my door unlocked and not realized that I forgot to lock it, or found out that one of my kids forgot to do it. It's just something I know if I think about it or ask if anyone went out and didn't re-lock the door. It's actually become a point in my house because of my earlier transgressions and because the world has gotten so dangerous. We are all very aware of keeping the door locked now.

 

[pferrin]

Perhaps LE took all the beding that was on the bed that morning. Thsi may have been in the closet..who knows..

I am sure they were thorough..FBI was there that day ..or the next..family didnt get house back till today ..from what I understand.

 

[grandmaj]

OK so Dad got home at 4am and then in 4 minutes of checking the boys first then the baby dialed 911? Too tight a timeline IMO.

 

[dovebar]

Maybe LE has something, but I wonder why people find it so astonishing that a cute little girl could be taken?

We see in Connecticut a horrific crime where the woman and her daughters were followed home by perps who saw them in public and learned where they live.

We saw in Portugal a little girl taken from an apartment where her siblings slept, in a very similar scenario - a man seen carrying her away, but no one thought anything of it fast enough.

We see worldwide child rings being busted up regularly now, and not all the kids belong to the perps. Children are worth money. That's the tragedy.

I really hope sane heads prevail among the cops and real investigation is happening.

 

[elepher50]

Does Jeremy have sole custody of his son ? Could his ex be ticked that another woman is raising her child ? Could it be a situation that his ex felt if she couldn't have her child, Deborah wasn't going to either ?
I see the hink, but I'm not ready to believe it's the parents yet.

JI has sole custody and actually went for custody of his son. I do believe that JI's ex lived in the house with JI and their son for a period of time ... as near as I can see. If this was a revenge type thing, one would think that it was a long time coming so no I don't think it was the ex (although the ex would be familiar with the layout of the house). MOO is that the ex lives too far away to be anywhere near striking distance and not close enough to know that JI would be on night shift that night.

I still don't believe it was one of the parents.... I don't think they are involved although I believe that they do have their own suspicions which are making them hesitant in some of their answers perhaps.

This case gives me a headache.

 

[Just K]

I think it is pretty obvious she was never put to bed in THAT bed.

JMO

I just can't see LE putting anything in the crib that might contaminate the one place that supposedly is the crime scene. That stuff must have been in the crib before LE arrived on the scene. It has been reported that the family did not stay in the house during any part of the investigation.

 

[MyBelle]

Not to worry about the 911 time. It is just the timeline in these cases is not what it always appears to be.

I'm going out on a limb here and going to say that releasing the information about the 2:30am call was intentional on LE's part to light a fire under someone. Someone who knows they dialed out on that phone in the house at 2:30am.

I think it is a very deliberate message of "gotcha!" from LE.

JMO