MO - Police officer fatally shoots Vonderrick Myers in south St. Louis #2

[SugarQueen]

According to REB Z's twitter Bassem is being held at least until 10:00 am tomorrow .

 

[dandy]

Under the constitution they can. Obviously, NYC can enact policies/procedures more restrictive on LE because they tend to protect 4th amendment rights, not violate them. But I'm curious how/why NYC would do this?

the new mayor deblasio is buddy buddy w/sharpton and has caused a rift between deblasio & bratton. many people feel the mayor listening more to sharpton than bratton (police commissioner) = reason why imo

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/31/justice/new-york-stop-frisk/

 

[reedus23]

Well that's about as stupid as it can get. So a pedophile can get a job working in a school around children cause....no questions asked? just wow

A bit extreme. I don't think anyone ever said that.

 

[reedus23]

The ACLU does not say to document and comply "so you don't die". They (ACLU) have been out talking to the protesters telling them what they need to do and how they need to behave in order to document things for their "cause". Unfortunately the protesters can't seem to keep themselves in line and actually document anything that is useable. How many people in Ferguson have been pulled over, arrested for whatever reason, dealt with LE that have NOT been shot or died? That answer should alert the protesters that their chants of police killing them is pointless. LE has shown great restraint during all of this. The protesters have not.

MOO

Why do they say it? If not die, then not beaten? Not wrongfully arrested? Remember, where this is said is in a section talking about what to do when your rights are being violated so they're not saying comply because it is a lawful order from the officer.

 

[branwynbreeze]

VD's gun jammed. As this vid shows if he didn't have a good grip and allowed gun to bob it can jam, that bobbing could get residue on him shooting, firing, ducking, ect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5QSvzlZTvw

Warning Pastor says there are inconsistencies in police story of shooting of VM! Also story is from CNN.


Gunshot residue found on clothing, body of teen shot by St. Louis officer

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/us/st-louis-officer-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[reedus23]

As far as the whole "why did the Shaw cop chase after VM" thing, with his history, I would imagine just the way he was behaving and acting gave the officer more than enough to gather suspicion than just the color of his skin.

And you know what? I realize there is racism in the world and I realize that racial profiling does happen. But I will tell you this: Who do you think a cop would be more likely to find suspicious and perhaps follow...Vanilla Ice or Carlton from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air??? Who would the average cop prefer to beat down - Justin Bieber or Denzel Washington? It is about far more than skin color. It is about the way they dress, the way they carry themselves, the way they speak that makes someone look suspicious. I am sorry that so many in the black community choose to act this way and call it their culture. Well their CULTURE is what is getting them killed and is getting them profiled - much more than the color of their skin. Act, talk, dress like a , you will be treated like a , even if you are a medical student. Act, talk, dress like a normal person in society and you will be treated as such, even if you are a violent criminal. Perception is the key and police - and all human beings for that matter - respond to a lot of visual and verbal cues when making an initial assessment of another human being. They say that first impressions count, well, yes, they do. Your initial assessment of someone might be totally incorrect or off base once additional information is known, but when you are talking about life and death situations like these, where the totality of the event last less than 3 minutes, there isn't a whole lot else to go off of.

Think about how many times per day you make an initial visual summary of a person. You see a man iin a 3 piece suit and tie, you would likely think "businessman" even though he may just be headed to a funeral, or a wedding, or to a court appearance. You see someone wearing gold chains, baseball cap turned sideways and their pants hanging down, you are going to think "street " even if the person is a straight A student that volunteers with the elderly 3 days a week.

Probably Carlton and without a doubt Washington if you're talking about the City or north county. Vanilla Ice looks too much like a goofball to be of any concern. Eminem? Maybe a different story. As for visual cues...none bigger than the color of one's skin.

 

[reedus23]

It's interesting that Chief Dotson is releasing so much info re VM, while Chief Belmar kept the tox/ballistics/injury reports of MB/DW sealed tight.

City has always tried to get out in front of things a bit more than the County. A little more transparent. Having said that, the case in the City isn't going to a GJ. Belmar's case went to a GJ almost immediately, so I get the need to not leak information, though they still did when convenient.

 

[reedus23]

sbm bbm

IDK for sure. Like you, I wonder what LEO saw.
IOW, even if Vonderrit's monitor & gun were 'concealed' & not noticeable to us civ's, maybe alert an LEO could detect one or both.

Is it poss LEO saw --
--gun 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's shirt, at waistband or pocket, however it was carried?
--ankle 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's pants, down toward hem?

Assuming this LEO saw either monitor or gun or both, is that sufficient cause to stop?

Is it necessary for LEO to know exact terms of monitor use to have reason of violation of terms?
Does seeing 'print' of gun (or gunlike shape) under clothing give LEO cause to ask to see CCW permit?

Just wondering. Anyone?

ETA: I see some of this was discussed after reedus23" post, but looks like no definitive answers.

I think all of those things are possible, I just haven't heard it said that it was so. I don't know if the officer saw those things or not. IMO it all becomes moot once he runs though. That gives the reasonable suspicion even if a stop would have been illegal had he not run.

Seeing the "print" of the gun would certainly be one of the factors taken into consideration when looking at the totality of the circumstances. I know that there was a NC case where you could open carry and the fact that a person was openly carrying was not grounds for reasonable suspicion. Completely different, I get it but it's the closes thing I could think of. Basically, I think you can't they can take a bunch of innocent facts and create suspicion from them.

 

[reedus23]

Ya know, I'm in the StL area and am really embarrassed to say I live here. All these activists, communists, thugs, gangs all antagonizing, bullying and holding a city hostage for their own agendas. I wish the peaceful protesters would separate themselves from these people. Hey, I'm all for a movement and protesting if it's for a cause they truly believe in. But the lies and propaganda is draw dropping. Many of these protesters know or rather seen/heard the facts and refuse to believe a word of it. However, they will believe street rumors. No video, autopsy, paperwork, gun residue or hard cold fact will change their minds and that's so very sad.

Let's pick Bella for a perfect example of truth vs rumor since she's such a great journalist (ugh). Watching her on livestream getting pulled over by LE with her perfect Eddie Haskel sweetness and then to the viewers, after the fact, making up all those wild accusations of what LE did and said to her was incredible. LE was nothing but polite to her - lots of us saw it and heard it. Truly a person with an agenda. Making up nonsense and accusations just floors me. Stick to the movement without all the lying.

As far as THEIR civil rights? What about the businesses and citizens civil rights THEY (protesters) are taking away without a thought. This whole fiasco in StL is nothing but hypocrisy at it's finest. And, anyone with a list of DEMANDS OR ELSE is nothing short of a terrorist. Or else what? The city gets torched? People will pay? Businesses will be ruined? Where is this 'peaceful' in peaceful protesting? I still think it boils down to wanting no laws, no rules. Our city. I guess we should give it to them and move so they can have their own city? I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic that black lives matter, LE should stop killing their kids! OMG! Stop killing your own!

Can I ask what you have not done that you wanted to but couldn't because of their actions? I hear ya about the embarrassment though. There's a lot to be embarrassed about. From the thugs. To the racists. To the initial LE response. To the politicians. You name it. Oh, and Bella is a claiming to be a journalist. She chants right with them. That's no journalist.

 

[popsicle]

:laughing:

YES!! Zero parenting.

Well, he left his baby boy fatherless.

 

[reedus23]

Nope, that's the same guy:

"Though Roorda is, by all accounts, a friend to the police, his own history as a cop isn't all that flattering. He spent spent eleven years as a police officer in Arnold before the department terminated him 2001. According to court filings from a later appeal, Roorda was accused in 1997 of trying to cover for another officer by filing a report containing false statements about a suspect's apprehension and arrest. That incident earned him a reprimand. Four years later the department fired him after a dispute with his police chief over paternity leave grew heated. Roorda claimed that the chief verbally intimated him, but an audio recording proved that this claim, too, was a "false report.""

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...body_cameras_make_people_less_safe.php?page=2

A couple of false reports. Yeah, time to find a new spokesman because anything out of this guy's mouth is garbage.

 

[popsicle]

According to REB Z's twitter Bassem is being held at least until 10:00 am tomorrow .

Do you know why?



Because Law Enforcement Shut him DOWN! :happydance:

 

[WVWoman]

I would think some of the complaints could be true just like we see a lot of made up complaints,but They sure don't think its a problem trampling on the rights of everyone else.I would say from my experience if this was going on in a different area with less understanding bystanders it would be a whole different ballgame (Excuse the pun:blushing: ) The backwood folks I know would be "fighting back". Hope it calms down soon and they get the REAL issues worked out.
The ones not from STL needs to leave and stop the violence. All MOO

 

[DebinGA]

CNN: "Myers was struck by seven or eight bullets, St. Louis city Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Graham said last week.
Police say the officer fired his pistol 17 times. "All but one gunshot wound were to the lower extremities," Graham said. "The one fatal wound was to the head."

Probably like with MB, all shots VM received were survivable except for the last - a shot hitting his head as he finally collapsed.

 

[LambChop]

Do you know why?



Because Law Enforcement Shut him DOWN! :happydance:

I hope they make him attend anger management classes.

 

[noZme]

Warning Pastor says there are inconsistencies in police story of shooting of VM! Also story is from CNN.


Gunshot residue found on clothing, body of teen shot by St. Louis officer

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/us/st-louis-officer-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Seems CNN chose not to show the FaceBook photo with guns, gangsigns, etc.

 

[dandy]

A bit extreme. I don't think anyone ever said that.

but it's coming - gonna say imo cause the treehouse source i can't link - but there's a further t/house article dated 2-21-13. from today's article.

- In an effort to address black employment, movement is now underway to stop criminal background checks from being allowed as a qualifier for hiring.

 

[popsicle]

How long will the protesters be allowed to have their tents and other crap strewn all over the college campus?

 

[oh_gal]

Of course not. The applications are still going to be checked and anyone with a record that is of a serious nature will not be hired. It's all about placating them on the surface right now. But behind the scenes, those that are murderers, child abusers, etc will be tossed aside and not even considered for hiring.

MOO

Sounds to me like it's just giving people an excuse not to be honest..."hey, you don't need to put that pesky conviction down....we'll check you out..." ....cause we all know how well follow up and checking works....

 

[Dana]

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime

I was just surfing through these news stories. Here are just a few:

"103 homicides in St. Louis since start of year, new crime report says"
"Church burglarized, pastor concerned it could be retaliation to his efforts in Ferguson"
"2 shot minutes apart in north St. Louis"
"Victim of downtown St. Louis fatal shooting identified"

I guess no biggie though.................. sigh


Another from the same link:

For Shaw neighborhood, private security presence is welcome, nothing new.

ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOV.com) -- The police officer who shot Vonderrit Myers, Jr. was off-duty, working for a private security firm called Hi-Tek Security Services.

The presence of private security is nothing new in several St. Louis communities, including the Shaw neighborhood, where Wednesday night's fatal shooting took place. It’s a security presence that makes residents feel safe.