MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[ohiogirl]

I must have missed that part about the mom going to the church in the documents posted so far. Anyone else see it?

 

[Texas Mist]

I must have missed that part about the mom going to the church in the documents posted so far. Anyone else see it?

I haven't seen it in any docs, ohiogirl...only saw the part about mom going to the elders after the link was posted to latest article online.

Sounds like Mr. Bradley @ Kansas City Star has add'l docs that we haven't seen yet.

And after reading about LE getting 65 tapes @ Jared's home, make me wonder if he lawyered up first because he's in possession of real physical evidence of abusing someone....hmmmmm. Just a thought I'm mulling over.

 

[CHICANA]

I haven't seen it in any docs, ohiogirl...only saw the part about mom going to the elders after the link was posted to latest article online.

Sounds like Mr. Bradley @ Kansas City Star has add'l docs that we haven't seen yet.

And after reading about LE getting 65 tapes @ Jared's home, make me wonder if he lawyered up first because he's in possession of real physical evidence of abusing someone....hmmmmm. Just a thought I'm mulling over.

This explains why they were all arrested together. They didn't want them to be able to get rid of the evidence.

 

[SleuthyMama]

I must have missed that part about the mom going to the church in the documents posted so far. Anyone else see it?

It's in the link in newcomer's post above.

 

[Texas Mist]

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...documents released from Boone County, Mo., state the mother told the church, rather than the police about the alleged rapes that occurred in the 1980s and 90s.


A search warrant and affidavit stated: "There were admissions made to the mother of these victims. At the time, complaints by the mother were taken to the head of the church rather than law enforcement. No official investigations was completed at the time."

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Acting on allegations the victims were used for child pornography, police searched Jared Mohler's home in Columbia, Mo., on Nov. 10.

The victims advised police they were taken to various places by the Mohler men and placed in sexual positions when their photos would then be taken. They also recall pictures being taken of them on a bed with naked men.

more here

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-mother-aware-of-rapes-111909,0,2906638.story

ETA -- still isn't clear when the mother found out & told the elders

 

[Missizzy]

Good morning all--Forgive my absence but I have a seizure disorder and had a doozy yesterday morning. It takes me a while to crawl my way back into a lucid brain. Please PM me if I ramble or expose my missing IQ points.

So, porn and sex toys--yuck. Because I think I'm the only one on board to have actually perused some of these exact magazines (as I discussed up thread--due to my special needs son bringing home a stash), maybe I can answer a few questions. The magazines in question, and which are apparently offered on Amazon, do NOT include photos of minors. The "actors" appear to be young--often 14-16 years old but there are many disclaimers that they are all over the age of 18. Totally disgusting but also completely legal.

Also, please realize that the incest depicted is not all young daughter/father incest. There are all sorts of "couplings" depicted. About everything you really don't want to think about. One thing I remember vividly (and I only saw them for about 30 minutes a year ago) is that they are shot under a very bright light--not air brushed as the photos in Penthouse. I found that even more appalling as the "details" really jump out at you.

I'm still confused whether "true" child porn has been discovered as the articles are not being careful with their wording. I'd appreciate anyone posting clear info about this.

FWIW, the pornography in our children's rapist's room was admissible. They were Playboy and Penthouse magazine and were presented as evidence. The judge found that they were "very" disturbing and indicative of a pattern of behavior. There was testimony by our children that they had been shown the porn. I just checked our appeal and it's even covered in there. So the fact that a teen boy had porn openly in his room was a red flag for "our" court. It held up even under strong objection.

I agree that everyone needs to be highly concerned about Burrell Sr.'s not so secret stash. If I were his relative, neighbor, fellow church member, I think I'd be distancing myself at this point as we're not talking about a stack of Playboys. I, too, am waiting anxiously to see if it is reported what is on the homemade videos. I would assume that they do not include SM (what is she doing there anyway!!??) as I doubt she would have handed those off to LE. If they include the 27 year old, who is reportedly cooperating with police, I doubt she would be readily cooperating--unless she was compelled to participate in some way. Is this the woman who was initially reported as disabled? I wonder if she is a family member, survivor of earlier abuse, or merely a young woman Burrell and SM were possibly caring for.

I carefully read all the posts this morning to catch up and was angered again by the church's denial about these men's involvement with children. There is a statement in an earlier article where a fellow church member, a Mrs. D, says that Burrell Sr. baptized her son. I really beg to differ with the church but I do consider baptism as having close contact with a child. When I was baptized as a young girl, I remember meeting with our pastor (a lovely man) to discuss my understanding of my choice. I must have been alone in his office with him for 30-45 minutes while my mother ran errands. I have a strong suspicion that the church is back-pedaling as it seems highly likely these men moved about the congregation with impunity.

One last thing, I am not in any way trying to make myself Board Sheriff. That job is well taken care of by the very considerate mods. However, in reading the last several pages of posts, and knowing a little about many poster personalities and past experiences, I have to say that we need to be cautious of others' feelings. Several of the posts have made me cringe--knowing that the words are cutting to the quick for some members.

Pax is an attorney and strongly advocates for "fairness to all" and "innocent until proven guilty". He is plain spoken and direct. I respect his position. Pax, I humbly ask that you reflect on who the other players at this table are. Many many are here to share their own experiences and to offer insight into this type of crime but are fragile. We find it hard to banter and debate objectively about some of the delicate issues.

I'm going out on a limb here and trying to say this as kindly as I can. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings. Pax, I get the impression that your children have not been abused. If that is correct, consider yourself blessed and/or fortunate. However, I hazard that you have lost someone dear to you...a parent, a sibling, a close friend. Can you imagine being present while someone discussed the semantics of grief and processes concerning death with nonchalance or even, glibness? Not malice or mean-spiritedness--just glibness. I think you might possibly be greatly pained.

You certainly have a right to voice your opinion and you have many valuable points to add to the discussion. Your approach is often refreshing and thought-provoking. I beg you though, to be thoughtful and tender on this subject--to step lightly around some delicate issues. Those of us on WS are working on strength and are on a pathway to healing. We choose to bear witness and help "sleuth" these crimes. There's a certain cathartic essence for us. We have been wounded, though, and would truly appreciate some consideration. And to those of you who I know are shedding tears over this case, please pace yourselves and step away when the pain becomes too great. Turn to your supports and ask for comfort.

Thank you all and I'll climb off this darn soap box now.

Oh, no--more discoveries!!

 

[PAXIMUS]

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...documents released from Boone County, Mo., state the mother told the church, rather than the police about the alleged rapes that occurred in the 1980s and 90s.


A search warrant and affidavit stated: "There were admissions made to the mother of these victims. At the time, complaints by the mother were taken to the head of the church rather than law enforcement. No official investigations was completed at the time."

....

Acting on allegations the victims were used for child pornography, police searched Jared Mohler's home in Columbia, Mo., on Nov. 10.

The victims advised police they were taken to various places by the Mohler men and placed in sexual positions when their photos would then be taken. They also recall pictures being taken of them on a bed with naked men.

more here

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-mother-aware-of-rapes-111909,0,2906638.story

ETA -- still isn't clear when the mother found out & told the elders

Well if all this is true I certainly hope these guys are punished to the full extent. Hopefully the evidence hasnt been destroyed.

 

[Missizzy]

tgrlaw--I'm sorry you had to live near this guy. Have you had a good heart to heart with your kids? Hopefully they didn't cross paths with him or his brothers. Would your kids have gone to school with the younger Mohlers?

I'm actually kind of shocked that we haven't seen a press release from the church yet. They did one last week about David's arrest. I think it's high time they address the issue of a report being made but not turned over to LE. I've never been comfortable with churches, camps, and schools having the ability to vet complaints such as this. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, they're just not professionals at uncovering crime.

Chicana--ITA about them arresting everyone at the same time. Wasn't there a statement on the first day about the arrests being choreographed? I know Graceland University only had a one minute warning. I truly believe that LE was aware of some heavy duty evidence and didn't want it destroyed.

Another issue--the murdered man. Has anyone considered that this might also have been somewhat staged? I fail to see how Burrell Sr. would have been able to choke a large man, get him into a vehicle, and wrangle three freaked out little girls. I'm not disbelieving the girls' memory but I wonder if they weren't led to believe some things that actually played out a bit differently. Can you imagine being 10 years old and thinking you might have had a role in a man's death? I would think the children would have spun out of control and a teacher, friend, or neighbor would have questioned their behavior. This could explain why no body has been found. Maybe there wasn't one...not dead anyway.

 

[Texas Mist]

I just re-read an article from earlier this a.m. -- and whoa -- don't know how I missed this:

While incest is illegal, pornography depicting simulated incest is often not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/19/crimesider/entry5708939.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Ya know, I've been thinking that even if investigators don't turn up a lot of physical evidence specifically related to the claims of the accusers, if they *do* find child porn on any computers belonging to Mohler family members, they could still be locked up for a long, long, time.

I will be very surprised if they do not find CP unrelated to this case. JMOOOC.

 

[Texas Mist]

just heard from a birdie that there is supposed to be "14 total new charges against Mohlers today"

hmmm-- 31 current now another 14 pending?? sounds like LE is building a case...they said they believed they had strong evidence when the case first broke

 

[PAXIMUS]

I am not sure why anyone would assume incest porn is illegal just because the act itself is.

Murder is illegal but slasher and horror films are not.

 

[Missizzy]

Texas Mist--I think that refers to simulated incest using actors who are actually over the age of 18. In thinking back (eeew) to what I saw, the magazines portrayed "moms" with young teen "sons", "dads" and "grand-dad's" with young teen "daughters". Of course, the "sons" and "daughters" got paired up too.

But remember, these teens are actually over 18 and made to look much younger. When I mentioned to my husband that we'd all been discussing this stuff, he reminded me that some of the girls and boys in the magazines our son brought home looked closer to 12!! They had them all made up with short plaid school-girl skirts and little girl panties. The young guys were very immature looking without any body hair.

I remember one where a boy was getting a spanking from his "mom" while his skateboard sat nearby. The whole family looked on, and the "dad" was comforting the "daughter". The police told us that these were entirely legal (except in the hands of our under-aged son). GROSSSS!!!!

Gotta go make some peppermint tea or I'll throw up.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Texas Mist--I think that refers to simulated incest using actors who are actually over the age of 18. In thinking back (eeew) to what I saw, the magazines portrayed "moms" with young teen "sons", "dads" and "grand-dad's" with young teen "daughters". Of course, the "sons" and "daughters" got paired up too.

But remember, these teens are actually over 18 and made to look much younger. When I mentioned to my husband that we'd all been discussing this stuff, he reminded me that some of the girls and boys in the magazines our son brought home looked closer to 12!! They had them all made up with short plaid school-girl skirts and little girl panties. The young guys were very immature looking without any body hair.

I remember one where a boy was getting a spanking from his "mom" while his skateboard sat nearby. The whole family looked on, and the "dad" was comforting the "daughter". The police told us that these were entirely legal (except in the hands of our under-aged son). GROSSSS!!!!

Gotta go make some peppermint tea or I'll throw up.

Yea I agree that sounds disturbing. I am not sure why anyone would want to read crap like that to begin with, I guess it takes a special type of mental illness. Yuck.

 

[Missizzy]

We've all wondered about where the mothers were. What about the school teachers, Sunday School teachers, camp counselors, friends' parents, neighbors?

I hope the good people of Bates City are wracking their brains right now for any odd memories and calling LE. One problem I see, though, is that any other possible victims are watching what is happening with horror. In our case, there were several other known victims. Either they or their parents did not want to get involved. We never blamed them as we wouldn't wish this hell on anyone. It's a bit like asking someone to get onto your tiny "rowboat of truth" as it heads out into the storm. It might be righteous and true but it's a mighty rocky ride.

My guess is that some victims will remain silent and just be pleased that the Mohler's are getting their due. I hope the silent ones will keep the vocal ones in their prayers.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I thinking if the church elders documented any of the mothers allegations or there is any proof of her telling them...the elders should be charged

 

[tgrlaw]

tgrlaw--I'm sorry you had to live near this guy. Have you had a good heart to heart with your kids? Hopefully they didn't cross paths with him or his brothers. Would your kids have gone to school with the younger Mohlers?

I haven't lived in Columbia for almost 5 years, but I lived right over in his part of town. Interestingly, two of my children went to a preschool down the road from the Comm. of Christ Church, where J. Mohler was an active member and lay preist. I haven't thought about the school thing. Only my oldest was in school in Columbia. Don't recall any Mohlers in his grade.

Now we are in Jefferson City, and we are dealing with this Alyssa Bustamante situation. Turns out my son is in the same grade at the same school as her younger twin brothers. World is too small sometimes.

 

[Texas Mist]

Texas Mist--I think that refers to simulated incest using actors who are actually over the age of 18. In thinking back (eeew) to what I saw, the magazines portrayed "moms" with young teen "sons", "dads" and "grand-dad's" with young teen "daughters". Of course, the "sons" and "daughters" got paired up too.

But remember, these teens are actually over 18 and made to look much younger. When I mentioned to my husband that we'd all been discussing this stuff, he reminded me that some of the girls and boys in the magazines our son brought home looked closer to 12!! They had them all made up with short plaid school-girl skirts and little girl panties. The young guys were very immature looking without any body hair.

I remember one where a boy was getting a spanking from his "mom" while his skateboard sat nearby. The whole family looked on, and the "dad" was comforting the "daughter". The police told us that these were entirely legal (except in the hands of our under-aged son). GROSSSS!!!!

Gotta go make some peppermint tea or I'll throw up.

Apologies that I didn't clarify -- but I was a little taken aback that the article said "pornography depicting simulated incest is often not" illegal -- it didn't say it's *always* legal ------ it "just depends" is what it means to me.

I just try to keep straight what's legal & illegal -- and it appears in some cases there just can't be a blanket statement that "simulated incest is legal"-- because apparently sometimes it's not.

And I wonder just what kinda incest porn was found.

I'm sorry you had to look at that sick 'simulated' stuff -- I'm sure even brain bleach won't cleanse it from your head.

((hugs))

 

[Texas Mist]

gotta run, y'all....BBL!!

 

[Missizzy]

New charges:

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-men-charges-111909,0,6667250.story?track=rss

 

[Missizzy]

tgrlaw--I don't want you to panic but did you happen to notice what A. Mohler (Burrell Sr.'s first wife) did before she passed in Dec. 1991? She worked at a preschool. Please tell us your kids wouldn't have been the right age. Please.

I'll see if I can pull up the obit again.