MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[Missizzy]

"Due to the length of the alleged abuse, the number of defendants, the number of victims, and the fact that the victims now reside in various parts of the continent, the probable cause statements are being submitted to the Lafayette County Prosecutor as they are completed, beginning with the youngest known victims first."

This is a direct quote from all three most recent Probable Cause Statements. I get the feeling that we're in for a long haul. This might have been why LE was talking at such length the other day at the presser about funding. This is one big and nasty case and it's going to cost the citizens of Missouri quite a sum.

Does anyone have a theory as to why they are starting with the youngest first?

 

[PAXIMUS]

Fair enough..............I still think MOM should be charged. She did nothing to protect her children. Nothing. Shee may as well served them up on a platter.

Is this the same woman that got all upset of the incest and refused to continue to share a bed with him?

That is certainly something to consider, if she knew this was happening and was out talking to others outside of the family about it but failed to notify LE or child services then she may indeed be negligent in her responsibility as a mother.

One other thing, if the Elders of the church knew this was happening and continued to allow the father and sons to hold a position of authority within the church and/or access to children, then I would certainly consider the possibility of them being charged with negligence also. And this may be the case because from what I have read they JUST RECENTLY suspended their church credentials when this story broke but the mother supposedly told them about this ten years ago, RIGHT? SO that means they continued to allow these men to hold positions of authority within the church after the mother came to them with concerns about their behavior. That is a potential problem.

 

[Linda7NJ]

"Due to the length of the alleged abuse, the number of defendants, the number of victims, and the fact that the victims now reside in various parts of the continent, the probable cause statements are being submitted to the Lafayette County Prosecutor as they are completed, beginning with the youngest known victims first."

This is a direct quote from all three most recent Probable Cause Statements. I get the feeling that we're in for a long haul. This might have been why LE was talking at such length the other day at the presser about funding. This is one big and nasty case and it's going to cost the citizens of Missouri quite a sum.

Does anyone have a theory as to why they are starting with the youngest first?

Not really. Just think they were listing them in some kind of order.

Question for you....are you able to cut & paste from pdf?

 

[PAXIMUS]

"Due to the length of the alleged abuse, the number of defendants, the number of victims, and the fact that the victims now reside in various parts of the continent, the probable cause statements are being submitted to the Lafayette County Prosecutor as they are completed, beginning with the youngest known victims first."

This is a direct quote from all three most recent Probable Cause Statements. I get the feeling that we're in for a long haul. This might have been why LE was talking at such length the other day at the presser about funding. This is one big and nasty case and it's going to cost the citizens of Missouri quite a sum.

Does anyone have a theory as to why they are starting with the youngest first?

Likely no particular reason they are starting with the youngest first other than a way to keep things organized and orderly.

 

[Missizzy]

No, I can't seem to cut and paste from these particular PDFs. Maybe it's because I'm on a Mac. Not sure.

And to go back to your earlier question. The wife living with Burrell Sr. was SM, his second wife. We had read that she had divorced him and moved north. I have no idea why she's resurfaced with him (and a 27 year old woman). She would be Burrell Jr.'s, Jared's, Roland's, and David's step-mom and the alleged victims (who are Burrell Jr.'s children) step-grandma.

I still haven't quite figured out who the alleged victims' mother is. In reading on Topix, I've gleaned that she might have the initials JM. There are some comments that refer to her as the vindictive ex-wife. I think that might be who is being accused of going to the elders, rather than LE. Very very confusing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

 

[raeann]

No, I can't seem to cut and paste from these particular PDFs. Maybe it's because I'm on a Mac. Not sure.

And to go back to your earlier question. The wife living with Burrell Sr. was SM, his second wife. We had read that she had divorced him and moved north. I have no idea why she's resurfaced with him (and a 27 year old woman). She would be Burrell Jr.'s, Jared's, Roland's, and David's step-mom and the alleged victims (who are Burrell Jr.'s children) step-grandma.

I still haven't quite figured out who the alleged victims' mother is. In reading on Topix, I've gleaned that she might have the initials JM. There are some comments that refer to her as the vindictive ex-wife. I think that might be who is being accused of going to the elders, rather than LE. Very very confusing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Yes, if I understand correctly and from the obit posted previously by someone, the children's grandmother and BM senior's first wife died, the wife who took the materials and locked them in the cabinet is either the second wife or perhaps a third that has not yet been identified through records anywhere. The person who supposedly went to the church elders was the children's mother, or the daughter in law of BM senior.

(and yes, I do enjoy labeling him as BM, it seems appropriate)

jmoo

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, I can't seem to cut and paste from these particular PDFs. Maybe it's because I'm on a Mac. Not sure.

And to go back to your earlier question. The wife living with Burrell Sr. was SM, his second wife. We had read that she had divorced him and moved north. I have no idea why she's resurfaced with him (and a 27 year old woman). She would be Burrell Jr.'s, Jared's, Roland's, and David's step-mom and the alleged victims (who are Burrell Jr.'s children) step-grandma.

I still haven't quite figured out who the alleged victims' mother is. In reading on Topix, I've gleaned that she might have the initials JM. There are some comments that refer to her as the vindictive ex-wife. I think that might be who is being accused of going to the elders, rather than LE. Very very confusing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Ya lost me here..... "She would be Burrell Jr.'s, Jared's, Roland's, and David's step-mom and the alleged victims (who are Burrell Jr.'s children) step-grandma."


I'll never be able to get the relationships / family tree right without a map I'm just not good at that sort of thing. :loser:

I hate pdf's cause I can NEVER cut & paste! I was all jealous when I thought you had...lol

 

[PAXIMUS]

Ya lost me here..... "She would be Burrell Jr.'s, Jared's, Roland's, and David's step-mom and the alleged victims (who are Burrell Jr.'s children) step-grandma."


I'll never be able to get the relationships / family tree right without a map I'm just not good at that sort of thing. :loser:

I hate pdf's cause I can NEVER cut & paste! I was all jealous when I thought you had...lol

There is a way to cut and paste PDFs I got lucky a few times and was able to do it but I have no idea how. Its tricky.

 

[Missizzy]

Burrell Jr.'s first wife divorced him in 1998. I would assume that she is the mother of the alleged victims. She is the person who advised Mr. Young that his son was in danger. She is also the person who several commenters on Topix have accused of being vindictive. Her name is in print in several articles, such as here:

"The affidavits show an interview was conducted on Nov. 4 with JC, the divorced first wife of Burrell Mohler, Jr. She stated that she recalled her daughters asking her if they had another sister who did not reside with the family. Mrs. C then provided a photograph of a crawl space at the Mohler residence."

As per the rules, I'm going to change her name to initials as she hasn't been charged with a crime.

I still find it odd that she would have a photo of a crawl space. It's one thing to photograph the dining room or living room but a crawl space?

My research shows that this JC (I guess this is her married name) is about 52 yrs. old. Could the "mystery" 27 year old woman who showed up at Burrell Sr.'s house be her daughter? Could that woman be the one who was hidden in the crawl space? She was initially referred to as being disabled. That thought really bothers me. LE has stated that she is cooperating.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is a way to cut and paste PDFs I got lucky a few times and was able to do it but I have no idea how. Its tricky.

I found directions here....... http://www.monet.k12.ca.us/curriculum/9-12math/newsletter/2009-11.htm

I'm able to take a screen shot ( copy) but still can't figure out how to paste:waitasec:

 

[Missizzy]

Raeann--Yes, that does fit!!

Linda--It might be time to get out the notebook as this is going to get even more convoluted, I'm afraid. Remember, there have been a number of pregnancies alluded to. Very possibly there will be some twists and turns as far as family tree goes. Sorry to bring that up. And no, I just carefully copied the PDF. I guess they can't make it all too easy for us.

Has anyone found out if Roland or Jared have wives or children? I haven't seen a thing. David seems to be the only one to have stayed married. He and his wife were feted for their 25th anniversary by their two daughters. Can you even imagine how this is affecting them. The alleged victims would be their cousins.

 

[newcomer]

My understanding is that the wife who discovered the was Sr's 2nd wife and was much more recent. The mother who went to the church was the mother of the children being violated, ie. Jr's kids. Also, I understand that she went to the church elders back when it was happening in the 80s.

A few points in the probable cause statements,

#1. I find it interesting that while all Burrell men were accused, the most common named were Burrell Sr & Burrell Jr. The others are mention only as participants in general.

#2 Curious about how Jared was supposed to rape one of the children while Sr. raped another. When Sr. discovered that Jared didn't rape the child, Sr went and raped her.

#3 How sad that Burrell Jr. sodomized his son to punish the girls for running away. If true, that is resounding re: mind control.

#4 The abuse happened mostly in the summer when they visited the farm more often. This could explain where the wimiz was. The father probably took the kids to the "farm" and mom possibly stayed behind. I'm sure summer was open season for rape & incest. Shouldn't they have had a hunting license for that?

#5 The mom who took it to the elders and no investigation was done was probably poo pawed by the elders and somehow convinced that it was made up. If she went to the elders and nothing was done, she probably believed that it would be treated the same with LE.

Finally, one has answered my question about why Sr. wife locked up his
...any theories?

 

[PAXIMUS]

Well the mother is losing credibility with me, she seemingly knew all this was going on and discussed it with several people outside the family yet did nothing to contact LE.

 

[pennydawn]

I, too, wondered if the mysterious 27-year-old woman might've been the woman from the crawlspace. The articles read as if this woman was around the same age(s) as Jr's girls, and I believe there is a 26- and a 29-year-old among them. The 27-year-old woman IS cooperating with the investigation, remember. I wonder if she's a victim, too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well the mother is losing credibility with me, she seemingly knew all this was going on and discussed it with several people outside the family yet did nothing to contact LE.

Think bible belt, women are taught to be submissive to their men. The men make all the decisions.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Think bible belt, women are taught to be submissive to their men. The men make all the decisions.

Yea I am trying to make sense of why she didnt do more to stop it before I judge her, I can understand the fear factor etc and of course as you mention the bible belt is a factor.

 

[pennydawn]

My theory as to why SM locked up Sr's collection: She knew she'd need it some day. Whether she thought she'd need it as evidence, or maybe just as a reason to leave him at a later date, remains to be seen. Simply, she thought she'd need it.

Another thing: often, we don't know why we do the things we do. There's in inner force inside of us, simmering below the surface, which often warns us of danger. Gavin de Becker wrote a book, THE GIFT OF FEAR, which is about listening to this voice.

 

[cleo612]

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...documents released from Boone County, Mo., state the mother told the church, rather than the police about the alleged rapes that occurred in the 1980s and 90s.


A search warrant and affidavit stated: "There were admissions made to the mother of these victims. At the time, complaints by the mother were taken to the head of the church rather than law enforcement. No official investigations was completed at the time."

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Acting on allegations the victims were used for child , police searched Jared Mohler's home in Columbia, Mo., on Nov. 10.

The victims advised police they were taken to various places by the Mohler men and placed in sexual positions when their photos would then be taken. They also recall pictures being taken of them on a bed with naked men.

more here

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-mother-aware-of-rapes-111909,0,2906638.story

ETA -- still isn't clear when the mother found out & told the elders

Bolded by me...

This article states that the search at jared's home was done on November 10th. Today is the 19th. This says to me that they have likely viewed at least some of these tapes and what they saw on them led to these additional charges.

I used to live one street over from Jared when I was a youngster. This (along with my own personal hell from the past) is just a little too close for comfort.

 

[hoppyfrog]

I'm still flabbergasted at all of the attempts to figure out who the victims are. Aren't they entitled to their dignity and privacy?

 

[pennydawn]

Jr's ex-wife alerted church authorities, but not LE:

Can any of us imagine living with a monster (as he is allegedly portraited on the probable cause statements) like Burrel Mohler, Jr? Sodomizes his son because his daughters ran away. Forced his daughters to have sexual contact with a dog and a horse. Allowed his father, uncle, and brothers to repeatedly rape his babies and celebrated the disturbing and detrimental acts, himself.

I can only imagine the amount of pressure put on ANY of the women in this family. If you're involved with a sick individual, the environment in which you live--ANY environment--becomes normal to you. Jeffrey E. Young studied life schema patterns, proving that states of dissonance may equate to comfort, if that's all you've known. There are even studies formatting how someone who lived in a healthy family situation as a child might morph her definition of normality as she grows older. Only with extensive therapy do you recover from such feelings and begin to seek out healthy lifestyles and situations.

Not as drastic as this case: family members of alcoholics have a hard time functioning in situations without constant drama, even though they know the drama isn't healthy, even though they know the way they live isn't healthy, and even though they may despise it.

This in no way means the woman condoned what was happening. Perhaps she felt just as trapped and threatened as her children did. Likely, it took great courage for her to speak out ONCE. Considering the allegations weren't taken seriously, especially allegations of such severe and private matters, is it really likely she would've pushed for justice? We all say we'd do anything for our children. But none of us knows what it was like for the women of the Mohler family, nor will we know even if they choose to tell their tales--words can say only so much. Only they know the whole truth.