MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[PAXIMUS]

Exactly, I could not make sense of the alleged gypsy reference, but you made a really good point, it could have meant some time of pdp ring.

I cannot understand why the grandfather and son would take these kids elsewhere only to rape them?

I guess that alot more information is needed to make sense of their actions.

I guess we could speculate that the gypsies being in town meant some sort of traveling paedo ring and these vans and RVs they speak about could have been pre set with video equipment for filming and making snuff films and the father and sons were paid for this.

What the hell else could it be, some real gypsies in town and the Mohlers for some strange reason snuck in to their vans to rape the kids for no other reason than to do it, thats terribly risky, there is more to that comment than meets the eye.

 

[Missizzy]

Maybe we'll be moving to Platte County where Platte Woods is, Jackson County where Independence is, or Decatur County where Lamoni, IA is (and Graceland University). I think there's a brother associated with each county. Also, there's this comment in AM's obit:

"She was a member of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints near Bates City. Survivors include her husband, Burrell E. Mohler Sr. of the home; four sons, Burrell E. Mohler Jr., Independence, David A. Mohler , Lamoni, Jared L. Mohler , Washington, Mo., and Roland N. Mohler , Greenwood in Jackson County"

So, in 1991, upon her death, AM lived in Bates City and was going to church near Bates City. Isn't this smack dab in the middle of the reported times of the abuse? Maybe the commenter who spoke of Burrell Sr. being her pastor in Platte Woods was speaking of a different time or the lay pastors moved around. We also have no idea where or when JM went to church elders. My guess is we'll know soon.

 

[Texas Mist]

Exactly, I could not make sense of the alleged gypsy reference, but you made a really good point, it could have meant some time of pdp ring.

I cannot understand why the grandfather and son would take these kids elsewhere only to rape them?

I guess that alot more information is needed to make sense of their actions.

BBM -- sick twisted fantasies maybe? Who knows -- once people get as evil as this, it's hard for me to wrap my brain around it.

I know someone who was molested on the side of an access road running alongside an interstate freeway -- in broad open daylight....just opened the car door, walked around & proceeded to have his way with her on the shoulder of the road...go figure.

 

[Texas Mist]

Not sure if this is relevant, Texas Mist. From an earlier post of mine:

Here's a clip from a comment on this page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fo...E66V12OI55I28V

"i was shocked to realize that i went to church as a young girl with all of the Mohlers. Mr Mohler Sr was our Pastor at the RLDS Churgh in Platte Woods."

Platte Woods does have a Community of Christ (RLDS) Church and is located 42 miles from Bates City, the location of the Mohler's prior home, where the investigation is occurring.

http://www.cofchrist.org/directory/states/missouri.asp

To clarify, Platte Woods is an incorporated section of Independence, MO and there are 25 Community of Christ congregations in and around Independence--all within a short distance of Platte Woods. I have no idea to which congregation this woman is referring.

I think I found the answer, MissIzzy -- check out this video!!

BM Jr started attending a Mormon church across the street from the Comm. of Christ Church...and a Mormon bishop knew about the abuse:

INDEPENDENCE, MO - Among the many startling revelations released on Thursday about the Mohler child sex case was that the wife of one of the accused men told their church about the alleged sexual abuse while it was happening, but that the church leader never reported the allegations to police.

FOX 4's Dave Dunn asked the former Mormon bishop about what he was told by the wife of Burrell Mohler, Jr., and is Working for You with the report.


http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-story-mohler-church-official-111909,0,7312538.story

 

[Missizzy]

You are just too fast. I just watched the same video. That's odd, isn't it? However, we do know that at least David and his family have stayed with the Community of Christ. I guess the LDS Church, across the street, has some explaining to do.

The Mohler family are starting to look like hot potatoes.

 

[human]

If she went to the church and they did nothing, why is anyone surprised? Being very sarcastic here. Let's not forget the Catholic Church and the situation there.

We are getting some legal opinions on this site, but my understanding from having a very good lawyer friend is that they are really only fluent in the area that they work in.

If they work in real estate law, they virtually know nothing about say, criminal law.

I have been very surprised about some statements made here, that have been addressed about job holders and their rights to stay quiet about what they hear.

Where I live, clergy and doctors are mandated reporters. All you have to do to be a mandated reporter is have "reason to believe" in order to report.

Perhaps that is not true in other states.

If I ever found out somebody had magazines such as those listed above, I would convict them myself in the court of logic and never have anything to do with them in my life and tell everyone I know.

Then I would report them to LE and CPS in case there were any reports made about them. These things do add up , fortunately, and may be that would be the straw that leads LE or CPS to look a little further.

Sorry, but it is not logical to have that reading material and think there is nothing wrong at all.

 

[Texas Mist]

You are just too fast. I just watched the same video. That's odd, isn't it? However, we do know that at least David and his family have stayed with the Community of Christ. I guess the LDS Church, across the street, has some explaining to do.

The Mohler family are starting to look like hot potatoes.

Yepperz - have you found anything yet on LDS response to BM Jr's arrest? I noticed on an unofficial site that there was no mention of BM Jr. being a member of LDS church.

http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2009/11/mohler-case-three-of-six-missouri-men.html


Found another article that says BM Jr. joined the LDS church in 1982:

"However, because the search of files was for anyone with the Mohler name, we discovered that Burrell Edward Mohler, Jr. and his wife, J* M* M*, joined the Mormon Church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) in 1982 and their membership with Community of Christ was withdrawn," the church's statement continues.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/Satel...4c70b769/0fb6c3a6-80ce-0971-01b6-192afe8a828f

Still looking for a statement from BM Jr's current church.

 

[Missizzy]

So, former Bishop Paul Tonga of the LDS church in Independence remembers Mrs. Mohler coming to him, more than once, about Burrell Jr. He stated in an interview that he recalls questioning Burrell and the children and that there were no disclosures. He does not explain why he never went to LE.

I've got a question. While this video is playing, they show handwritten notes and state that the Mohlers requested to change churches in 1982. However, the handwritten note clearly shows the date 8 Nov. 1993. What gives? Which is it? If I'm not mistaken, the Mrs. Mohler who attempted to make a report is the third wife. I'm assuming the alleged victims are her step-children, correct?

 

[Missizzy]

IMO, this does not look good for Bishop Tonga. I wonder if that's why he's a former Bishop? How many other parents came to him with concerns?

 

[Texas Mist]

So, former Bishop Paul Tonga of the LDS church in Independence remembers Mrs. Mohler coming to him, more than once, about Burrell Jr. He stated in an interview that he recalls questioning Burrell and the children and that there were no disclosures. He does not explain why he never went to LE.

I've got a question. While this video is playing, they show handwritten notes and state that the Mohlers requested to change churches in 1982. However, the handwritten note clearly shows the date 8 Nov. 1993. What gives? Which is it? If I'm not mistaken, the Mrs. Mohler who attempted to make a report is the third wife. I'm assuming the alleged victims are her step-children, correct?

I noticed the date on that document too MissIzzy...maybe BM Jr left in 1982 & had a diff wife at that time....and IIRC, one of these mothers was married to a brother, they divorced & she married a diff. brother -- which brothers were married to the same woman (I can't remember)???

NEhoo - the reason I bring it up is because maybe the doc is related to when one of the wives left RLDS & went to LDS -- and it's not BM Jr's document with the 1993 date on it....hope this makes sense.

ETA: I'm confusing myself! Jeanette was the wife "at the time" in 1982.

 

[Missizzy]

http://www.kplr11.com/news/wdaf-mohler-men-charges-111909,0,1861376.story?track=rss

"Also on Thursday, a search warrant and affidavit released from Boone County said the mother of the victims was made aware of the alleged offenses, but that she took her concerns to their church leader rather than police at the time of the alleged incestuous rapes that occurred in the 1980s and 90s."

I'm so confused. Was it the biological mother of these children (what is her name??) who went to the Bishop or the third wife/step-mother, identified in numerous articles as Jeanette Mohler?

 

[Texas Mist]

IMO, this does not look good for Bishop Tonga. I wonder if that's why he's a former Bishop? How many other parents came to him with concerns?

So this bishop says that he interviewed BM Jr & the children, and BM Jr nor the children had anything to say about mom's claims of abuse.

I'm thinking the children would have been terrified to speak up to another man in authority @ their church....and how embarrassing to talk to a man they may not have known very well...I can't see them telling this bishop the truth...heck, for all we know BM Jr. was right there in the room with them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I guess we could speculate that the gypsies being in town meant some sort of traveling paedo ring and these vans and RVs they speak about could have been pre set with video equipment for filming and making snuff films and the father and sons were paid for this.

What the hell else could it be, some real gypsies in town and the Mohlers for some strange reason snuck in to their vans to rape the kids for no other reason than to do it, that's terribly risky, there is more to that comment than meets the eye.

When I was really little, my grandmother would always tell me to be aware of "the gypsys" because they stole little girls. She also used to tease me, "the gypsies are gonna get you" That old bat used to terrify me! I had to be only 4 or 5 years old because I remember I had NO IDEA what a gypsy was....but just knew it had to be bad, like some kind of monster!

In highschool I was relaying that story when another girl stated her family said the same thing....:waitasec: maybe it's just some sort of "boogie man" to instill fear?

I'm thinking it may have been something like that?

 

[waterlooinspector]

Finally caught up.

I do smell a lawsuit here against the church(es) that knew about the abuse and did nothing. The Catholic Church is not the only denomination that has had to pay dearly for trying to "cover their own".

Perhaps some of the legal minds in here can share their thoughts....

 

[ohiogirl]

I am just sick at all these new affidavits. What makes these religious leaders think that they are the rulers of everything? What makes them think they have the power to decide what's true and what's not. They are supposed to be there to lead their followers and help them when they need it. So many people seem to have failed these children, it makes me want to cry.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Just catching up with recent events.

Thoughts:
A timeline would be helpful for me. I am having trouble keeping things/events/people straight. Plus, having years of events and reportings seems to me that we might see a trend. So, please jump in and correct/add to. I will leave ? for things unknown (to me), please quote and add information. Maybe when we get something it could be turned into a sticky? If there is a better way I am open...

1) BM Jr and 1st wife (W1) marry - ??
2) FC1 (Female Child 1) born 1981
3) BM Jr and W1 move to Morman church - 1982 or 83
4) FC2 born 1983
5) FC3 born 198?
6) FC4 born 198?
7) FC5 born 198?
8) MC6 born 198?
9) Abuse occured between March 1988 and March 1995 (per probable cause statement dated 11/3/9)
10) AM (BM Sr's 1st wife) dies of cancer - 1991
11) BM Sr. remarries - SM. 1992
12) BMjr and W1 divorce - 1998
13) W1 warns M.Y. (father to W2 son) of sexual abuse to his son - 2000
14) MY reports abuse and gets no response - 2001
15) 8/2009 - FC2 reports abuse to Sherriff's Department
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Things not added:
W1 reports abuse to clergy of church - which church unknown, date unknown.
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I don't hold W1 responsible for not protecting her children. It seems to me she was doing the best she could given the circumstances. We were not in her shoes and there is no telling what was being done to her - this kind of evilness is not self-limiting. If she reported to people who were involved or at least disbelieving enough to report HER to BM jr or sr she would have been in deep do-do and fearing for her life and the lives of her children. It also appears to me after reading what came out yesterday that this primarily occured at the farm during the summer school vacation. Mom was probably trying to hold down a job and wasn't allowed to be there, and at first might have thought it was a good thing for the kids to be able to spend their summers on the farm with good ol' granny and grampy.....little did she know. Apparently granny wasn't there, she was working also. Leaves the rats alone with the kids to do as they please during the day while granny works in her quilting shop or at the preschool. Plus, its been widely reported that AM was extremely religious and upstanding - so either she was keeping the lid on the men and it blew up when she got sick and was no longer enforcing rules or the men were rebelling against her or it/she was just a front. W1 seems to have fought to get this out, and if what MY says is true, and she was treated the same by LE, then it is no great suprise this has been this long coming to light. Who knows how long or how hard she had to fight to get away from BMjr? I will reserve my judgment of her, I'm sure she is judging herself harshly enough. Kudos for not giving up. JMO.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/allega...ark-outrage-suspicion/story?id=9119012&page=2

"If we weren't sure of our investigation, we wouldn't be putting forth this much effort," Missouri State Highway Patrol Corporal Bill Lowe told ABCNews.com. "In the scope of a trial, yes I believe we have good evidence."

 

[IWannaKnow]

Hmmmm - the timing of this *film* and the subject matter make me think of "hey girls, lets watch a movie!"

Pornocchio (1987) (V) More at IMDbPro »

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User Rating:5.7/10 5 votes
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Writers:Cash Markman (written by) and
Chad Randolph (written by)
Release Date:June 1987 (USA) more Genre:Adult | Comedy more Tagline:It's not his nose that grows! Plot:A puppet boy made of wood learns life from the bottom up in the strip clubs.

 

[Texas Mist]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/allega...ark-outrage-suspicion/story?id=9119012&page=2

"If we weren't sure of our investigation, we wouldn't be putting forth this much effort," Missouri State Highway Patrol Corporal Bill Lowe told ABCNews.com. "In the scope of a trial, yes I believe we have good evidence."

sooooo-- bouncing off your link - looks like family members (tho "ex" in-law) has some doubts:

<snip>

Missouri Sex Abuse Charges: Devoted Family Men or Child Predators? pg 3

Bill Bruch, a former in-law of Mohler Sr., was in court this week to support his family, even though, he admitted, they might be guilty.

"I think that's possible," Bruch told ABCNews.com. "It's certainly a contrast to what I knew about him years ago when he was married to my cousin. It seems really out of character."

.....

Bruch said he and other members of the family would continue to attend the men's court hearing, simply to support their own.

"If I were in that position, I would certainly appreciate support from friends and family, even if I were guilty," he said.




Maybe that explains why we haven't heard that these men have attorneys yet -- no one willing to 'support' them financially?? (Except for Jared.)

Also hard to believe there are no attorneys storming in to right any 'injustice' of perceived false accusations & make sure these good ol' boys & upstanding community & church members -- get a fair shake.

 

[lajr56]

sooooo-- bouncing off your link - looks like family members (tho "ex" in-law) has some doubts:

<snip>

Missouri Sex Abuse Charges: Devoted Family Men or Child Predators? pg 3

Bill Bruch, a former in-law of Mohler Sr., was in court this week to support his family, even though, he admitted, they might be guilty.

"I think that's possible," Bruch told ABCNews.com. "It's certainly a contrast to what I knew about him years ago when he was married to my cousin. It seems really out of character."

.....

Bruch said he and other members of the family would continue to attend the men's court hearing, simply to support their own.

"If I were in that position, I would certainly appreciate support from friends and family, even if I were guilty," he said.




Maybe that explains why we haven't heard that these men have attorneys yet -- no one willing to 'support' them financially?? (Except for Jared.)

Also hard to believe there are no attorneys storming in to right any 'injustice' of perceived false accusations & make sure these good ol' boys & upstanding community & church members -- get a fair shake.

BBM
Good question. Didn't Pax say early on that he would take this case Pro Bono, if for no other reason than the notoriety it would bring? There HAVE to be high profile attorneys in Kansas City. Where are they?