MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

[Missizzy]

Good catch, Texas Mist!!! Here's a copy of my post #59:

From NBC's report of Darrel's arrest:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/conten...Ring-Case/eSDTL2AmjkStKPUMxF_KOA.cspx?rss=764

"Darrel reportedly told deputies that he was aware of what was going on in Missouri and that he had not been in Missouri since the 80’s."

According to the Probable Cause document, the rapes occurred in 86-87. Hmmmm. I wonder if Mr. Mohler read the PC before he was picked up. That has to be a classic in "what not to say when you've just been arrested"!!

 

[Missizzy]

Queen City is about 200 miles from Bates City. Maybe he flew in to Des Moines for some reason and was in a real hurry to get out to the farm. Right around the last week of school and then it's summer break. You know he has a 16 year old granddaughter and an eleven year old daughter. I wonder if either of those girls were with him at the time.

 

[Texas Mist]

Good catch, Texas Mist!!! Here's a copy of my post #59:

From NBC's report of Darrel's arrest:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/conten...Ring-Case/eSDTL2AmjkStKPUMxF_KOA.cspx?rss=764

"Darrel reportedly told deputies that he was aware of what was going on in Missouri and that he had not been in Missouri since the 80’s."

According to the Probable Cause document, the rapes occurred in 86-87. Hmmmm. I wonder if Mr. Mohler read the PC before he was picked up. That has to be a classic in "what not to say when you've just been arrested"!!

TY, TY -- I coulda swore I read that he'd denied being in Missouri...I wander what he was doing in the northeast corner of the state...also, there was a traffic ticket for a J. Mohler from Fernadina FL (Darrell's son but don't know if I can post his name tho it's been in the news)...that was on 06-15-2003.

 

[Missizzy]

I don't know if you can post it either. I still haven't figured out for certain if JM, Darrel's son, is the same JM who is the youth pastor in Florida at a Community of Christ Church. It really sounds like the family liked to back for family reunions in the summer. Remember one of the girls saying "Summers were the worst." That's so sad.

 

[Missizzy]

From JM, concerning the arrest of his dad, Darrel:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21626649/detail.html

"There's really been no contact with that branch of the family for decades," J Mohler said.

Decades? Hmmm.

 

[Missizzy]

Another classic from Darrel:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-13-child-sex-abuse-missouri_N.htm

"Darrel Wayne Mohler said Thursday that he never had been close to his older brother and been "appalled by the allegations." He said he has a 16-year-old granddaughter "and that'd be like me messing with her, and the thought is repulsive. I'm glad I don't have that gene, God darn."

 

[jjj]

before I get around to the techy stuff -- let me toss this out there.

I just found where Darrel Mohler of Silver Springs FL got a traffic ticket (Queen City) -- plead guilty in municipal court in 2004. (speeding ticket 05-23-2004, guilty plea & paid fine 06-10-2004)

I thought he said he hadn't been back there in years -- for some reason I'm thinking he made it sound like 20 years or something!

Anybody else remember what he said?

ETA: here's why I thought he hadn't been back in 20 years " Mohler told the Star-Banner he had "no idea" about the allegations and said he has lived at his Silver Springs home since 1984." -- guess he was trying to imply he hadn't been back altho that's not actually what he said...Queen City is in northeast corner of the state.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1335380.html

(I'm still digging).

And I also found an adult abuse charge "w/o stalking" against BMjr -- IIRC that was 1997...there's no respondent name tho. ETA: it appears there was a divorce in progress around this time...the complaint was filed in Family Court, and it was in August,2000.

I dunno...this came up on topix around when he was arrested; a relative commented there that he would often drive through that area to on route to visit family in Iowa, which I kind of buy, since
- it's not on the route you'd take between FL and the MO mohlers
- the fact that he was only mentioned by 3 of the sisters & in the context of a single night. I could see it being a one time thing - he & BMSr grew up with similar abuse, he reverts and/or is pressured by BMSr when visiting his older brother, is disgusted afterwards & cuts off contact w/MO branch. That's what i'd like to hope, anyway.

 

[Missizzy]

If you were going to fly from Florida to visit in the Independence area, is there any possibility that you might fly into Des Moines and rent a car to drive south. The reason I ask this is that in Oregon, it is far cheaper to fly into Portland or to SF and rent a car to drive the 300 miles either north or south to Southern Oregon. Our airports are so small that they are far spendier. Just wondering. I do find it odd that he would be there in the summer.

 

[Missizzy]

I have to say that I'm more than a little worried about JMohler, Darrel's son. He's been identified by media but has no involvement that I know of. I can only find one JMohler in Florida and he is the Youth Minister of the Community of Christ/Crossroads Church in Palmetto. I've found addresses for him around that area and also in Fernandina, FL.

The reason this guy worries me is that he's very involved in the SAME church and even leads Graceland Missionary sponsored activities and trips. I just read on one of the church bulletins that JM holds teen nights at his house. He would be an older half-brother of Darrel's youngest daughter, who is 11 (different moms). It might be JM's kids who Darrel was with when he was arrested. IIRC they were a 12 year old boy and a 16 year old girl.

Texas Mist found a speeding ticket possibly connected to JM in June '03. Texas Mist, where was that ticket issued, do you know?

 

[Missizzy]

Read Boisegirl's post #64. More and more people who truly seemed to grow up with these kids are weighing in:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T3P904T1L4AB9PUSN/p4

 

[Texas Mist]

I have to say that I'm more than a little worried about JMohler, Darrel's son. He's been identified by media but has no involvement that I know of. I can only find one JMohler in Florida and he is the Youth Minister of the Community of Christ/Crossroads Church in Palmetto. I've found addresses for him around that area and also in Fernandina, FL.

The reason this guy worries me is that he's very involved in the SAME church and even leads Graceland Missionary sponsored activities and trips. I just read on one of the church bulletins that JM holds teen nights at his house. He would be an older half-brother of Darrel's youngest daughter, who is 11 (different moms). It might be JM's kids who Darrel was with when he was arrested. IIRC they were a 12 year old boy and a 16 year old girl.

Texas Mist found a speeding ticket possibly connected to JM in June '03. Texas Mist, where was that ticket issued, do you know?

Looks like the ticket was issued by the Mo.Hwy Patrol in Howell County, which is south central Missouri & borders Arkansas.

 

[zoomom]

Read Boisegirl's post #64. More and more people who truly seemed to grow up with these kids are weighing in:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T3P904T1L4AB9PUSN/p4

WOW. Read post #47!!

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T3P904T1L4AB9PUSN/p3

 

[SuziQ]

This is the only other place I've found former Bishop Tonga. I noticed that he is now referred to as Brother Tonga. Does anyone know how that works? Once you've retired or been removed as a Bishop, do you become a Brother?

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.j...2270ed6c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

This is an article concerning the re-opening of the Independence Visitors' Center in 2006:

"Just about everything is different than it used to be inside the Independence Visitors’ Center in Independence, Missouri, which recently reopened after more than a year of renovations."

"Closed for 13 months, the visitors’ center opened its two new theaters, 23 exhibits, and unique interactive children’s area to the public in March. The new features give more than a historical context of Independence. “Before, we were telling people about the plan of salvation,” says Paul Tonga, who worked as a host in the old center. “Today we show them.” After visiting the center with his wife, Brother Tonga could not wait to return with his 7 children and 18 grandchildren. “The message is there for families and individuals—whoever decides to follow Christ,” he said."

Mere members are referred to as Brothers and Sisters.

 

[IWannaKnow]

There are a few things I would like to point out from the link Missizzy provided: http://www.bendweekly.com/Living/2796.html in case there are some who do not chose to look at it. I think this is crucial.


Study at University of Oregon by Lisa DeMarni Cromer and Jennifer Freyd - published in the journal Psychology of Womens Quarterly. March 2007.

To paraphrase the article, it stated that generally all females whether they had been abused or not believed a victim who disclosed. Males who had been abused also believed victim disclosures. Males who had not been abused did not believe the victim, and further males with highly sexist beliefs believed that no harm was done if the incidents did occur. The article further stated that this impeds victims from disclosing. The "biggest obstacle" to addressing the issue is the unwillingness to talk about it and that was directly related to people's unwillingness to believe it happens - also enabling the perps to continue getting away with it and creating more victims. The authors feel this needs to be addressed societally with better education for males because it is having a major impact on our society.
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I would have liked to copy that directly so my prejudices aren't telegraphed into my translation, but I tried to get the gist of it here. Their copyright said I couldn't quote any of the article, so that is why I attempted to summarize. We have a poster here on WS who believes that the hatred or contempt of men or boys is the number one hate crime in America. I beg to differ and cannot understand how anyone who comes to this board and reads for any length of time could maintain that belief. I'm not trying to minimize crimes to males, but IMO it pales when compared to what is done to the females and children - the sexual abuse of male children is particularly devastating. I will further step out on the gang-plank and say that the attitude of male superiority/dominance/omnipotence is killing the bodies, souls and spirit of our women and children by allowing this screwed up thinking to continue and producing the next generation of criminals/broken humans. If it feels good to you but is harming someone else, it is not OK!! Until the most powerfull segment of society comes to believe that that way of thinking and acting is causing a blight upon our civilization nothing will change. I know women offend too, but I truly believe they were led down that path at some point in their lives by a male who did not have their best interests in his heart and they adopt that as the way to be - we get a self-perpetuating circle. These males have no concern for the harm they are causing, now or in the future, nor to how many people, and the women who depend upon them get sucked into the cess pool and then give birth to the next generation.

I know that was not very P.C. but I've been needing to get that off my chest for awhile. Missizzy's link just verified it for me. I'm not preaching man-hating, I'm preaching self-control on all levels, moderation in all things and it is your business if you see something which you know is not right, not popular concepts today. I think that good men must come to understand this does happen and it is their job and duty to help prevent and control it. Other men are the only thing that will hold sway over these people. The law is not going to help us I'm afraid to say. I'm not suggesting vigilantism, but perhaps the knowlege that you are watching and you do care, about your own wife and children and anyone elses because that is the right thing to do - not the idea that it's his "right" and it's not happening to you, or they are just making that up. No more blind eyes because you would never do that. There is no new evil in this world.

OK, getting down from soap box. I want to say a huge thank you to the posters on this thread. This case is very hard for me, but cathartic at the same time. I have to ration myself. The things you guys are coming up with are unbelievable and you amaze me. I am honored to be here with you on this journey.

jjj - you and your timeline are a treasure. Thank you.

 

[wfgodot]

I don't think this has been linked yet, sorry if it has. It's from the kansascity.com/Kansas City Star:
Accusers, defenders paint contrasting portraits of family in child-sex case

A multi-page overview.

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1585282.html

 

[pennydawn]

The article wfgodot posted was a great overview of the entire case. However, I'm steamed that the reporter failed to include proof (as seen on the link missizzy posted) that being upstanding citizens does not mean men (as in mankind) are incapable of this despicable behavior. A man could be President of the United States and abuse his power. (Hmmm, has that happened? Reference Monica Lewinsky and more to the point, the Franklin Conspiracy.)

Some of the worst perpetrators are those we all respect. We rarely see accounts of neighbors saying, "Yeah, I knew he'd rape and kill eventually. What an a**."

 

[fran]

I realize we've only heard one side of this story. But the evidence appears to be adding up. If I was a friend or acquaintance of any of these men, I wouldn't be so quick to declare them innocent. We're not talking about just one person's accusations. No, there's a number of accusers including someone not even related to the family.

If those declaring these suspect's innocent could see the reason they give that they don't believe it, from the outside in,.................well, they are pretty lame excuses.

They've known them for a number of years.
They offered to clean out their garage.
They 'appeared' to be a close and loving family.

Besides, the fact that there have been previous accusations made and nothing done, pretty well, IMHO, is more evidence on the guilty side.

I'll be interested to see the actual evidence they have. From what I've seen, LE seems to be satisfied enough that they added to the charges already filed.

JMHO
fran

 

[pennydawn]

Also, I'm appalled at the leniency of sentences for RAPISTS...especially child rapists. If they get the max, and aren't paroled, great. But if they get the minimum, some of these alleged perpetrators could be out well in time to do this to some other children.

What sex offenders take from their victims can never be replaced or replenished. Why don't we call this what it is? Fundamentally, they've taken away lives.

Sorry...lots of triggers in this case.

 

[cleo612]

TY, TY -- I coulda swore I read that he'd denied being in Missouri...I wander what he was doing in the northeast corner of the state...also, there was a traffic ticket for a J. Mohler from Fernadina FL (Darrell's son but don't know if I can post his name tho it's been in the news)...that was on 06-15-2003.

Mist, it would be WONDERFUL if you could clear out some space in your inbox.

 

[wfgodot]

The article wfgodot posted was a great overview of the entire case. However, I'm steamed that the reporter failed to include proof (as seen on the link missizzy posted) that being upstanding citizens does not mean men (as in mankind) are incapable of this despicable behavior. A man could be President of the United States and abuse his power. (Hmmm, has that happened? Reference Monica Lewinsky and more to the point, the Franklin Conspiracy.)

Some of the worst perpetrators are those we all respect. We rarely see accounts of neighbors saying, "Yeah, I knew he'd rape and kill eventually. What an a**."

Thanks.

I found the article---which is the perfect place to start, if you're new to this case and haven't found time to read everything about it, including the first two threads on WS before this one---to be superbly balanced. The last two paragraphs maintain this balancing act in a remarkable way:

"Some wonder whether those buried jars with the painful stories bottled inside could still turn up.

"More likely, they are broken into shards, just like a family."

First of all, this places the emphasis on the family---on both sides of the story. But, more importantly, it speaks to a crucial aspect of the case for many of us: are they ever going to find the jars? In effect, the three journalists who contributed to this article say that it doesn't matter, implying that time and nature would probably serve to break apart anything buried in glass, and thus that, even if they're not found, this does not mean that they were not placed there in the first place.

That speaks to seeing this process through to the end, no matter what physical evidence is found, or not found.

Another aspect of the article, and the ones which have been published in the Star, is that I don't believe any of them have compared the allegations made against the Mohler men to similar (very similar) allegations made in the plethora of "Satanic ritual abuse" cases in the 1980s---cases later found to have been deeply flawed. By not playing that card (which I'm sure the editors realize they hold), this series in the Star has maintained a very fair balance in reporting the current case on its own merits.

And that's good journalism.