MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

[PAXIMUS]

Independence has been described as the meth capital of the world.

It would be pretty bad if its worse than San Jose California which is about as bad as it gets for meth, but pretty much every city has major meth problems these days but not so much in the 80s. In the 80s it was more confined to areas where outlaw motorcycle gangs frequented which is why it was referred to as 'crank', this was because bikers transported it in the crank cases of their MCs. Today it is not so much with the MC gangs although they still deal with it, but most of it comes from Mexico.

Also I would like to add that IMO there is absolutely no connection between Randy Leach's disappearance and the Mohlers. I was very much involved in the Leach case back when it happened and have revisted it since this discussion started going in that direction and I just dont see any connection there.

 

[CHICANA]

It would be pretty bad if its worse than San Jose California which is about as bad as it gets for meth, but pretty much every city has major meth problems these days but not so much in the 80s. In the 80s it was more confined to areas where outlaw motorcycle gangs frequented which is why it was referred to as 'crank', this was because bikers transported it in the crank cases of their MCs. Today it is not so much with the MC gangs although they still deal with it, but most of it comes from Mexico.

Also I would like to add that IMO there is absolutely no connection between Randy Leach's disappearance and the Mohlers. I was very much involved in the Leach case back when it happened and have revisted it since this discussion started going in that direction and I just dont see any connection there.

I don't think there's a connection either. I've been wrong before though.

 

[Missizzy]

Pax and Chicana--I guess every state wants to claim the Meth-Capitol prize!! Gee, what a prize. Talk about decimating children. Here I've thought it was Central and Southern Oregon--where over 80% of children in out of home placements are due to meth. I tend to agree with Pax that I don't think it got this bad in the late 80s though. I'm hearing both crack (which sounds more likely and meth) from the author of the book on Randy Leach.

All of our younger kids who were born exposed to drugs are divided by race. The children who are black were exposed to crack and born in 85-90. The youngest, who is white, was exposed to meth and born in 91. Crack effects the IQ and but typically leaves reasoning ability and coping skills. Meth fries the brain. The IQ can remain in tact but the child can't access it as they have little understanding of the simplest consequences. There's absolutely no behavior modification--only behavior management. It's heartbreaking.

I'm surprised that you guys don't see any links to the Randy Leach case. The timeframe, the physical description, the acting poorly (possibly high or drunk). It will be interesting to see what the Mohler girls have to say if they are shown photos. I know the Leach family wants closure. Do you have a theory as to what happened to that young man?

 

[Sheromom]

It would be pretty bad if its worse than San Jose California which is about as bad as it gets for meth, but pretty much every city has major meth problems these days but not so much in the 80s. In the 80s it was more confined to areas where outlaw motorcycle gangs frequented which is why it was referred to as 'crank', this was because bikers transported it in the crank cases of their MCs. Today it is not so much with the MC gangs although they still deal with it, but most of it comes from Mexico.

Also I would like to add that IMO there is absolutely no connection between Randy Leach's disappearance and the Mohlers. I was very much involved in the Leach case back when it happened and have revisted it since this discussion started going in that direction and I just dont see any connection there.

I don't think so either, BUT, who knows, discussing it may come up with some leads in his case and THAT would be a very wonderful thing! We have such wonderful sleuths on here; I am AMAZED at all they can come up with; even from cases 20 years old!

 

[PAXIMUS]

I don't think so either, BUT, who knows, discussing it may come up with some leads in his case and THAT would be a very wonderful thing! We have such wonderful sleuths on here; I am AMAZED at all they can come up with; even from cases 20 years old!

Absolutely agree and I have enjoyed reading what Missizzy has dug up on the Leach case, after spending a lot of time on that case myself years ago I would be thrilled to find out what really happened to that boy, it just defies all reason.

 

[zoomom]

FWIW - I know for a fact that crank was widely available in central California in 1979. Only saying that maybe it got as far as the midwest at that time also....and it made people insane back in 79, too. I don't care how many times they outlaw the chemicals needed to cook it - it was bad then, and waaaayyy worse now. I don't know if crank was a part of the Mohlers circle, ever...I just know when people were on crank they thought they were invincible. Much different than coke/crack - which was kind of a sleazy haze. IMVHO.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Pax and Chicana--I guess every state wants to claim the Meth-Capitol prize!! Gee, what a prize. Talk about decimating children. Here I've thought it was Central and Southern Oregon--where over 80% of children in out of home placements are due to meth. I tend to agree with Pax that I don't think it got this bad in the late 80s though. I'm hearing both crack (which sounds more likely and meth) from the author of the book on Randy Leach.

All of our younger kids who were born exposed to drugs are divided by race. The children who are black were exposed to crack and born in 85-90. The youngest, who is white, was exposed to meth and born in 91. Crack effects the IQ and but typically leaves reasoning ability and coping skills. Meth fries the brain. The IQ can remain in tact but the child can't access it as they have little understanding of the simplest consequences. There's absolutely no behavior modification--only behavior management. It's heartbreaking.

I'm surprised that you guys don't see any links to the Randy Leach case. The timeframe, the physical description, the acting poorly (possibly high or drunk). It will be interesting to see what the Mohler girls have to say if they are shown photos. I know the Leach family wants closure. Do you have a theory as to what happened to that young man?

Crack was the thing in the 80s more so than meth. Meth was big in the 70s then sort of died out when the crack epidemic started in the 80s then meth made a huge comeback in the 90s and continues to be the most horrible problem there is in just about every US major city and small town. That stuff is horrifying and yes indeed, MANY MANY children suffer because of it, meth addicts are some of the most abusive and psychotic people around and they make horrible parents and the living conditions of the children of meth addicted parents is unspeakable!

As for Leach I just dont see it, I have it stuck in my head that the guy the Mohlers may have been involved with was older than Randy but who knows, certainly nothing wrong with looking for more clues!

What did the Mohler victims say about the person acting strangely IE as in Leach being drunk or high, I dont recall them mentioning anything like that, did I miss it?

 

[PAXIMUS]

FWIW - I know for a fact that crank was widely available in central California in 1979. Only saying that maybe it got as far as the midwest at that time also....and it made people insane back in 79, too. I don't care how many times they outlaw the chemicals needed to cook it - it was bad then, and waaaayyy worse now. I don't know if crank was a part of the Mohlers circle, ever...I just know when people were on crank they thought they were invincible. Much different than coke/crack - which was kind of a sleazy haze. IMVHO.

Crank was HUGE in the 70s it is often overlooked because pot and lsd were the go to drugs back then but meth was right there with them all during the early middle and late 70s then sort of died off a bit in the 80s because crack became widely available, but in the 90s meth made a big comeback and like I said it continues to be the biggest problem we face today as far as addiction goes.

 

[mysteriew]

70's drug culture, PCP was big and so was LSD if you could get it. Lots of rumors about people getting LSD dropped in their drinks. Coke was also big as well as amphetamines and benzadrines. Meth I really didn't hear about a lot. LOL, hard to think that far back. I wasn't into the drug culture but knew it was around, knew people who got into it.

 

[PAXIMUS]

70's drug culture, PCP was big and so was LSD if you could get it. Lots of rumors about people getting LSD dropped in their drinks. Coke was also big as well as amphetamines and benzadrines. Meth I really didn't hear about a lot. LOL, hard to think that far back. I wasn't into the drug culture but knew it was around, knew people who got into it.

Qualudes too, thats the one I remember most, I was very young then and never got in to drugs but a lot of friends did.

Crank was mostly in the biker culture back then and not as widely available as it is now but was still around.

 

[Sheromom]

70's drug culture, PCP was big and so was LSD if you could get it. Lots of rumors about people getting LSD dropped in their drinks. Coke was also big as well as amphetamines and benzadrines. Meth I really didn't hear about a lot. LOL, hard to think that far back. I wasn't into the drug culture but knew it was around, knew people who got into it.

I don't remember meth at all. LSD, PCP, mescillian, 'schrooms, pot, mesciline and heroine (among the 'Nam returns) were very in. Tried them most myself. Always afriad of Heorine, though! See; not totally gone!

 

[Wintergreen]

The drug culture has its own language, and I'm in a fog just trying to sort out which nickname goes with which chemical, but the "date rape" drug is the one that came to my mind with this case. There are several names for it but isn't it what has been used in other cases to render victims senseless before raping them?

 

[Missizzy]

Are you thinking of "roofies"/Rohypnol or GHB? They are both known as "date rape" drugs. Both can be given to children or adults to sedate them. I believe they're also considered amnesiacs, aren't they? Where you can't remember anything. Scary.

There was discussion of GHB in our trial as two of our kids mentioned taking a powder that was mixed in with some candy. They said that it made them feel "buzzy" and silly. I researched it at the time and learned that GHB could be bought at health food stores in the late 90s. Not sure if you can still get it.

 

[Missizzy]

Paximus--You asked about the "poor health" description. I found it here:

http://www.fox4kc.com/media/acrobat/2009-11/50551390.pdf

"In a statement written by XXX, Ms. XXX described the victim as being 6'2" and weighed about 300 lbs. and the man looked to be in poor health."

This is a direct quote from the Search Warrant.

 

[Missizzy]

Paximus--What's your take on Wintergreen's post concerning "forcible compulsion". Does that typically mean drugs or can it also mean threat due to a person's size or threat of injury? Just curious.

Hi Missizzy--You raise such a good question! Initial charges against BM Sr, David & Jared involved use of the term "forcible compulsion":

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/l...-Child-Sex-Crimes/J2HnoKadY0KqSu6zgFaFdw.cspx

According to Missouri statute this charge of forcible compulsion includes administering a substance "which renders the victim physically or mentally impaired so as to be incapable of making an informed consent to sexual intercourse":

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5660000030.HTM

I am not a student of law, but it looks very much as if these three are being accused of drugging the children.

 

[Missizzy]

Also I would like to add that IMO there is absolutely no connection between Randy Leach's disappearance and the Mohlers. I was very much involved in the Leach case back when it happened and have revisted it since this discussion started going in that direction and I just dont see any connection there.

Pax--You've peaked my curiosity. Were you involved in this case directly or just through sleuthing? I have to admit that it's really grabbed me.

 

[Wintergreen]

Are you thinking of "roofies"/Rohypnol or GHB? They are both known as "date rape" drugs. Both can be given to children or adults to sedate them. I believe they're also considered amnesiacs, aren't they? Where you can't remember anything. Scary.

There was discussion of GHB in our trial as two of our kids mentioned taking a powder that was mixed in with some candy. They said that it made them feel "buzzy" and silly. I researched it at the time and learned that GHB could be bought at health food stores in the late 90s. Not sure if you can still get it.

This sounds the most plausible, especially if you could BUY IT AT A HEALTH FOOD STORE! OMG! Would this have been "ready to use" GHB or the raw ingrediants needed to make it? Thank you for educating me and for sharing your own experience. I am so sorry you and your children had to go through something so harrowing.

 

[Missizzy]

Wintergreen--I wish I could express how sweet and naive and protected I was 12 years ago. I grew up in a pretty beach town in Southern California in the late 60's so I certainly had knowledge of drugs but I was more of a Latin and literature kind of girl. I was a beloved only child. I was extremely fortunate to have never been sexually abused. I married my high school sweetheart at only 18 and taught Head Start. We were very busy taking care of our growing family. In other words, I had a LOT of eye-opening that needed to be done.

I honestly thought people treated others the way they wanted to be treated. Crime happened elsewhere. I didn't know about evil. It was when we first started adopting special needs kids who had been drug exposed that I started seeing the other side of the "tracks". My precious children had already experienced more trauma in their toddlerhood than I had in my whole life!!

I was far too trusting. I truly thought I was being accepting and kind to the slightly strange teen next door. I allowed him to play with our kids. The eight youngest were starving for friends as most had a hard time connecting socially. They begged to go play and I suspected that the teen was giving them far more treats than I allowed. I planned to speak to him about nutrition.

When the children came to us one by one and disclosed the abuse, I was dumbstruck. I honestly thought that all we'd have to do was get the boy's parents involved and he'd get therapy. I can hardly believe these words as I type them.

Never in a million years did I think our lives would be filled with the aftermath of sexual abuse. That my bookshelves and internet bookmarks would be filled with research on pedophilia and trauma. That I'd know just what GHB was. That I'd know about how a chicken or a bunny or a kitten or a dog could be raped. That the word "penis" would be said more than the word "plate" in my house for a year. That triggers and PTSD would become my life.

I cried my eyes out and had to just keep going. I came to WS just to see if I could help shine some light on other crimes like the one we lived through...and will always live through. I'm a stronger woman, probably wiser, certainly more wary. I've learned a lot and I know that it's got to be for some reason that I just can't see yet.

So, GHB--yes it used to be sold as a body builder supplement.

"Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid or GHB, is a compound that was initially used by body builders to stimulate muscle growth. In recent years it has become popular as a recreational drug among club kids and partygoers.

This "designer" drug is often used in combination with other drugs, such as Ecstasy. GHB is synthesized from a chemical used to clean electrical circuit boards, and is available in clear liquid, white powder, tablet and capsule form.

GHB is odorless and nearly tasteless. Users report that it induces a state of relaxation. The effects can be felt within 5 to 20 minutes after ingestion and the high can last up to four hours."

http://www.theantidrug.com/drug-information/commonly-abused-drugs/ghb.aspx

It's now banned but it's still out there. You can see how easily it can be put to use committing evil things. In some ways, it's the perfect drug for the crime. When our children described what they'd been given to the doctor at the Children's Advocacy Center, she's the one who told us it most likely was GHB. It's certainly not something you want to find in a friend's medicine cabinet!! Or the neighbor teen's chicken coop.

 

[Wintergreen]

Thank you again, Missizzy, for your insight. You brought me to tears. God bless our parents who raised us to be so innocent and trusting! You may not be able to give these children their innocence back--a heartbreaking realization--but something tells me they have not suffered in vain. Certainly, with you as their Mom, they have not suffered alone. You have my deepest respect for the good you are doing.

 

[CHICANA]

Pax and Chicana--I guess every state wants to claim the Meth-Capitol prize!! Gee, what a prize. Talk about decimating children. Here I've thought it was Central and Southern Oregon--where over 80% of children in out of home placements are due to meth. I tend to agree with Pax that I don't think it got this bad in the late 80s though. I'm hearing both crack (which sounds more likely and meth) from the author of the book on Randy Leach.

All of our younger kids who were born exposed to drugs are divided by race. The children who are black were exposed to crack and born in 85-90. The youngest, who is white, was exposed to meth and born in 91. Crack effects the IQ and but typically leaves reasoning ability and coping skills. Meth fries the brain. The IQ can remain in tact but the child can't access it as they have little understanding of the simplest consequences. There's absolutely no behavior modification--only behavior management. It's heartbreaking.

I'm surprised that you guys don't see any links to the Randy Leach case. The timeframe, the physical description, the acting poorly (possibly high or drunk). It will be interesting to see what the Mohler girls have to say if they are shown photos. I know the Leach family wants closure. Do you have a theory as to what happened to that young man?

It's possible. I see links but it still seems like a long shot. I don't see any link to Independence or the Mohler's. Plus the body seen in the cave fits the area and the time-line. It seems more likely that it was a local or someone known to the locals. Sorry, but I don't remember and I'm too tired to go look for it, but we don't have an exact timeline in the Mohler case, do we ? I remember it being said that it was in April, but can we even be certain of the year ?

You're right, hopefully the girls will be able to confirm or rule out Randy.

Again, I think you're doing some great sleuthing and it could very well be him, but without a link to the area or the Mohler's, I can't make it fit in my.
I'm not the most broad-minded person though.