MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #4

[Wintergreen]

Wintergreen--I think I've come a long way since November 2009. I can't imagine posting something now without linking to it. Here's a copy of my Post #180 on Thread 1, November 11, 2009:

"I found this quote and hope that all the neighbors are going to compare notes:

"Jill Edwards, Mohler's neighbor of three years, said she would have never suspected anything like this because he was "such a kind neighbor."

"He was a very religious man and held Bible studies at his home every Sunday," Edwards said.

Some neighbors knew Mohler as just the guy who would walk around the neighborhood with his pit bull, Cypree.

"He was really nice and the kids loved to jump around in the bed of his truck," said Tamika Thornton, who lives down the street. "All the kids would say 'Jared doesn't care.'"

Some of the neighbors said they were planning on meeting later this week to discuss the recent events."

I looked back over the prior posts and don't see a news article I was referring to.

Just found link to the article you cited:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/11/11/neighborhood-reacts-mans-arrest/

 

[Wintergreen]

The kids jumping in the truck bothers me, too, because for someone who has ulterior motives it could just be another form of access.

 

[Missizzy]

Concerning the friend of Jared's, NM, I found him now in Orlando, FL, with a possible wife, MM. He worked with Jared at Carfax in MO from 2001-2004 but is now working for Ruby on Rails and other applications (is that the right word? Mac girl over here.). I'm just wondering if Mr. M's resume covers the production or distribution of ? Just a thought. It could be high school math curriculum for all I know.

I seem to remember some unusual computer stuff coming out of Jared's house when they did the search. FWIW, I wonder if Mr. M knows Uncle Darrel? They don't live too far apart in Florida.

For all the time spent distributing illegal and smarmy stuff, we could save the world and cure cancer. Such great brains put to the wrong use. JMO

 

[Missizzy]

Going back to that article, I find TT to live very close to Jared. She would know his movements. However, the woman with the dog, JE, lives almost 8 miles away, unless I'm missing something. She also shows up on MS with a toddler (!!!) and her mood is "anxious". Not good.

I could understand calling someone a friend who lived across town but a neighbor? Maybe they met while walking their dogs and that's why she took the dog. The article makes it sound very much, though, like she lived on the street and I see no record of that. Maybe I'm missing that or JE is a relative of a neighbor. From your link:

JE, Mohler's neighbor of three years, said she would have never suspected anything like this because he was "such a kind neighbor."

"He was a very religious man and held Bible studies at his home every Sunday," JE said.

That sounds like a person living close by. And oh, great, JE shows up as a Kindergarten teacher too. She's mentioned in an article here:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/08/21/nothing-first-day-school/

"JE welcomed the attentive students looking up at her. This is her third year teaching at Blue Ridge and her second year teaching kindergarten."

The three years jive. I did some tracking and the school is also about five miles away from Jared's house. So, exactly how is she a neighbor?

ETA: If I find out that Jared ever helped out in that Kindergarten, as he was "such a nice religious guy with a sweet dog", my head will instantly explode!!! I've been down that path before and heck, I don't want to go down that path again!!

 

[Missizzy]

Wintergreen--I just realized that we need to do some quick editing. Go back to your post where you copied me and edit out the Craigslist email address, please. We cannot use an uninvolved person's name or email address on the thread. Somebody just alerted me to do this and I'm so sorry. I honestly thought that it led back to Jared.

Also, if you refer to this neighbor, remember we need to just use initials on here. It's fine to link to articles which include the full names but not to put them on here. Hope that's clear.

We don't want to have to stand in the corner!!

 

[Wintergreen]

Wintergreen--I just realized that we need to do some quick editing. Go back to your post where you copied me and edit out the Craigslist email address, please. We cannot use an uninvolved person's name or email address on the thread. Somebody just alerted me to do this and I'm so sorry. I honestly thought that it led back to Jared.

Also, if you refer to this neighbor, remember we need to just use initials on here. It's fine to link to articles which include the full names but not to put them on here. Hope that's clear.

We don't want to have to in the corner!!

Thanks for heads up--I'll remember that from now on!

 

[Missizzy]

Don't know if this is anything at all but I was looking at the death of Kathy Webb of Sugar Creek and her sister (name unknown). BTW, why can't we get the name of a murder victim from 2000? Kathy was known to have been beaten, strangled and stabbed 96 times. Kathy was five months pregnant and killed on January 15, 1988. Her sister, presumably seeking answers was killed in a "similar fashion" exactly to the day 12 years later.

A couple of thoughts. I've done some research on that date. That's the date of the infamous Black Dahlia in LA which rocked California with its brutality. Maybe just an odd coincidence. But crime buffs and Californians well remember the particulars of that crime. It was gruesome.

Another issue, though, which might have merit. Notice that Kathy Webb's sister was killed when she went looking for answers. I wonder if her niece, Kathy's daughter, had disclosed anything. The child was eight at the time of the murder of her mother and 20 at the time of the death of her aunt. When her mother was killed, she was the exact same age as the Mohler girls who described a murder that year.

Does anyone think that there could possibly have been contact between Kathy and the Mohlers? Between the Mohlers and the young 8 year old daughter? It's a frightening thought.

 

[Missizzy]

I have no idea if this is connected but it's very disturbing to me:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJHJ9VF8K7N0VMTHV

This is a comment from a concerned citizen in Blue Springs, MO decrying the fact that a known child rapist/torturer had not yet been arrested. I think it's a possibility that the man DID get arrested a few days later (see my thread on a Blue Springs child bust). We just have not been made privy to his name.

Note how similar the details are to the Mohler case and remember, this is in the same town as where a number of the accused have lived. Are child rapists coming out of the woodwork or are these cases all linked in some way? I'd be very interested to hear from any locals or to know if there are any other links or comments available.

We still have no idea what LE is doing with the details which the alleged victims have given them. I have a feeling that they've been busy. I sure hope so.

 

[Wintergreen]

http://www.sickcrimes.us/2010/01/inman-kansas-police-chief-mike-akins-arrested-for-child-sex-513

Well, this confirms the idea that LE is very busy in the midwest. I found this recent arrest by accident while looking up another one dealing with sexual abuse of children. There's a link inside of this article that takes you to the actual documents, if you are interested.

 

[redkatrampant]

Don't know if this is anything at all but I was looking at the death of Kathy Webb of Sugar Creek and her sister (name unknown). BTW, why can't we get the name of a murder victim from 2000? Kathy was known to have been beaten, strangled and stabbed 96 times. Kathy was five months pregnant and killed on January 15, 1988. Her sister, presumably seeking answers was killed in a "similar fashion" exactly to the day 12 years later.

A couple of thoughts. I've done some research on that date. That's the date of the infamous Black Dahlia in LA which rocked California with its brutality. Maybe just an odd coincidence. But crime buffs and Californians well remember the particulars of that crime. It was gruesome.

Another issue, though, which might have merit. Notice that Kathy Webb's sister was killed when she went looking for answers. I wonder if her niece, Kathy's daughter, had disclosed anything. The child was eight at the time of the murder of her mother and 20 at the time of the death of her aunt. When her mother was killed, she was the exact same age as the Mohler girls who described a murder that year.

Does anyone think that there could possibly have been contact between Kathy and the Mohlers? Between the Mohlers and the young 8 year old daughter? It's a frightening thought.

I am linking your post in thread 3.
5 Family Members Arrested In Connection w/Child Sex Crimes #3 - Page 19 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
It gives the sister's name as Anita.

 

[Missizzy]

Thank you Red. I'd forgotten that the name Anita is there in the original article. However, in going back I see why I was bemoaning the fact we don't have the name. We have Anita but we don't have a last name. I couldn't and still can't find a murder of an Anita Webb in Kansas City on Jan. 15, 2000. One would think that this would be available. Can anyone help?

 

[redkatrampant]

Thank you Red. I'd forgotten that the name Anita is there in the original article. However, in going back I see why I was bemoaning the fact we don't have the name. We have Anita but we don't have a last name. I couldn't and still can't find a murder of an Anita Webb in Kansas City on Jan. 15, 2000. One would think that this would be available. Can anyone help?

I will see what I can dig up.

 

[redkatrampant]

Thank you Red. I'd forgotten that the name Anita is there in the original article. However, in going back I see why I was bemoaning the fact we don't have the name. We have Anita but we don't have a last name. I couldn't and still can't find a murder of an Anita Webb in Kansas City on Jan. 15, 2000. One would think that this would be available. Can anyone help?

Do you know the county? Was it in Sugar Creek or Kansas City. I am trying obits and death records.

 

[Missizzy]

All I have is this:

"Her sister was found in Kansas City, Kan., Jan. 15, 2000," Sgt. Rick DeFelice said. "Exactly to the day 12 years. Both murdered in similar fashion." "I think Anita tried to find out who murdered her sister and that might be what got her murdered."

Being that Kathy was stabbed 96 times, beaten and strangled, I'm guessing Anita's murder must have been similar.

 

[Missizzy]

The link is here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=859.0

Kathy Webb's story is near the bottom, under the heading:

"Site of Porter grave notorious body dump"

The only other name I see that could be a clue is the name Patsy Roberts, Kathy and Anita's sister. I can't find an obituary for an Anita Roberts, though, either.

 

[redkatrampant]

All I have is this:

"Her sister was found in Kansas City, Kan., Jan. 15, 2000," Sgt. Rick DeFelice said. "Exactly to the day 12 years. Both murdered in similar fashion." "I think Anita tried to find out who murdered her sister and that might be what got her murdered."

Being that Kathy was stabbed 96 times, beaten and strangled, I'm guessing Anita's murder must have been similar.

I did notice that in the article you linked, the Sargent referred to the murdered sisters as the "Webb Sisters"

 

[Missizzy]

I know, but why no Anita Webb listed as being murdered on that date in Kansas City, KS?That was only 10 years ago!!

 

[CHICANA]

The link is here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=859.0

Kathy Webb's story is near the bottom, under the heading:

"Site of Porter grave notorious body dump"

The only other name I see that could be a clue is the name Patsy Roberts, Kathy and Anita's sister. I can't find an obituary for an Anita Roberts, though, either.

I had a real hard time finding anything on the death index & when I finally did I was fused.
I'll try to copy & paste but it's weird that there are several Webb's listed - all with initials only, all on the 15th but in different months and all but one has (PE) for last resident. I use this site at work and don't recall seeing that before. Any idea what PE is or am I forgetting a state ?

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/c...ebb&issue=Missouri&death=1988&stat=a&start=21

 

[CHICANA]

I couldn't find a match for Anita Webb but by Anita in Jan 2000 one fits the approx age, different last name & dod, unless she was found on 1/15 and the coroner determined she died prior.

 

[Missizzy]

Isn't it amazing how you can read something twenty times and still find something new? Kathy Webb was murdered January 15, 1988, exactly three months before Randy Leach went missing 40 miles away. Randy roughly matches the description of the man who the Mohler girls state that they were forced to attack and possibly murder. Randy has never been found and an excellent website exists concerning his disappearance:

www.randyleach.com

The reason I keep bringing up Kathy Webb's and her sister Anita's murders is that Kathy was killed in Sugar Creek. That is not far from where the girls say they went with their father, Burrell Jr., to lure the large man back to their farm. There are some who hold a theory that Randy Leach's disappearance, Kathy Webb's murder, and possibly another man's murder in Odessa, MO (just a couple of miles from the farmhouse) in summer 1989 might be linked. The words torture and stabbing come up repeatedly.

If you read any of the theories on Randy Leach's site, you will find much conjecture about the caves and reports of several people who saw a man being tortured. You learn that the Sugar Creek area is where the Cement City Road and there are caves located there. Just a lot of criss cross double cross.

I have no idea if any of it is related to the Mohler crimes but the Sheriff's statement resonated with me. He said that there would be more charges in other jurisdictions and states.

I'm trying to learn all I can from the woman who is writing a book about Randy Leach. She has reams of information about the area at the time of the Mohler children's abuse. I feel very strongly that something could be connected.

Anyway, back to the article:

"Both sisters were murdered on Jan. 15, but 12 years apart.

"Her sister was found in Kansas City, Kan., Jan. 15, 2000," Sgt. Rick DeFelice said. "Exactly to the day 12 years. Both murdered in similar fashion."

"I think Anita tried to find out who murdered her sister and that might be what got her murdered," Roberts said.

Police say there is no evidence linking the case, but they have reopened Kathy Webb's cold case and are using new DNA technology to try to track the killer.

"We're not going to forget this case and we are going to put somebody in jail over it," Topi said.

For Kathy's daughter, she wants to see the killer in jail.

"Whoever did it, I hope they suffer," SW said. "I hope they spend the rest of their life in jail."

Police say the Webb sisters' murders remain unsolved. They urge anyone with information to call the TIPS Hotline at (816) 474-TIPS.


So, Kathy was 5 months pregnant and they have DNA. That tells me that it may now be possible to finally determine who killed this woman and whose child she was carrying. And note that Kathy had an eight year old daughter at the time of her murder--right around the age of the Mohler girls.

Was Sr. or Jr. or Darrel or one of the others going after Kathy and her girl? Was Kathy's one of the murders the girls described down by a river? The girls describe multiple stab wounds on the large man and Kathy was stabbed 96 times. The LEO says that Anita died much the same way.